Where is the outrage?

Lord_Piot

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Where's the Outrage?

by George F. Smith

The president of the country lies and no one seems to care. They don’t even care that he pokes fun at himself about the lies. He and his comrades lied before, during, and after the war, which so far has killed over 600 Americans. Impeach him? Not a chance. He’ll probably get re-elected.

There is no outrage because this is what we expect from government. Budgets in the trillions, debt in the trillions upon trillions. Dead soldiers, a new Greenspan bubble in the works, rising consumer prices, declining value of the dollar -- it’s all part of politics, along with endless jokes, a complicit media, prevaricating politicians and the financial interests that control them. But no one worries – the U.S. ship of state is too big to sink.

It’s hard to believe the country was once different – a lot different. For most of our history Americans paid no income tax; they had no central bank devaluing their money and robbing their savings; they had no overseas wars to die in because back then our government minded its own business; they could ingest whatever they wanted because their bodies belonged to them; they were not forced to pay into a Ponzi scheme sold to them as a retirement fund. Taxes were low, prosperity was real. Citizens of France admired America so much they raised money to give us the Statue of Liberty.

As we moved into the 20th century there was a growing feeling that some people made too much money and government ought to do something about it. And some established businessmen were complaining about the horrors of unrestricted competition and thought government should restrict it -- in the public interest, of course. Socialists and conservatives found unity in their mutual hatred of the market.

During a regressive period euphemistically called the Progressive Era, a coalition of private individuals -- intellectuals, businessmen, and big bankers -- joined with politicians to reshape the political landscape. In 1913 they realized their dream with the income tax and the creation of a central bank called the Federal Reserve System, both grossly unconstitutional. They thereby established the two pillars of big government and heralded the start of an anti-American revolution. We can trace the decline of the dollar, the vast increase in our tax burden, the ballooning of the national debt, the endless parade of costly welfare schemes, and our chronic involvement in overseas conflicts to the confiscatory legislation of 1913.

Roosevelt’s fascist New Deal was the consummation of the 1913 revolution. Of the countless Roosevelt transgressions, two in particular were critical for funding war and welfare: repudiation of the domestic gold standard in 1933 and passage of the withholding tax in 1943.

Withholding lets government get away with stealing more money without taxpayer protest, because it’s money people never get and it’s seized piecemeal rather than all at once. Going off the gold standard domestically removed a huge check on the central bank’s tendency to inflate, since dollars were no longer redeemable in gold. Complete abandonment of the gold standard came on August 15, 1971 when Nixon stopped exchanging gold for foreigners’ dollars, making our money a pure fiat currency. With gold brushed aside as a “barbarous relic,� our monetary system is now at the mercy of politically-dependent central bankers.

The government today seems like a machine that runs on its own. It taxes, inflates, carries on shooting wars overseas, and sinks billions into social black holes at home. Its politicians ensure none of this will be interrupted.

Yet, it doesn’t have to be this way. Our Founders gave us some important lessons, even if they were sometimes flawed:

1. They believed in limited government. Keep it small and it will never become our master. But it has. The Constitution was sufficiently vague to allow inroads into freedom. But that wasn’t the real problem. Any government, regardless of its legal restrictions, will grow in size. When emergencies strike, growth accelerates. [1] Eventually constitutions become dead letters, and tyranny takes over under the rubric of “New Deal� or “Great Society� or “Iraqi Freedom.�

2. The Founders understood that the state is the enemy of peace and prosperity. But as noted above, they believed some government was necessary. The more government we have, the less of our money we keep. Since government is inherently wasteful, big government tends to impoverish us. And big government is always looking for fights to pick, to keep the people patriotic.

3. Change, whether for better or worse, is brought about by a few individuals. The men who started the Revolution – James Otis, Samuel Adams, Patrick Henry – were enemies of the state. Through their powers of persuasion, they recruited others. After we won our independence a mostly different group took over, convincing the country of a need for a stronger government.

We see a similar situation today with the neocons. They’ve got the country embroiled in military crusades around the world and massive spending fiascos at home. They are not a majority, but they’ve got the majority following them. A different minority could take us in a better direction.

What to do? Here are two recommendations:

1. Keep away from the polls. Elections are the state’s source of legitimacy. If conscientious nonvoters can get organized and form a “party,� [2] or at least be heard, their position will be seen as a protest. Otherwise, their lack of participation will be lumped with nonvoters who simply don’t care.

2. Keep reminding people the state is founded on force and compliance rather than persuasion and choice. Do you like to be told what to do? Most people don’t. If they can see the state as organized crime masquerading as your friendly representatives, they may start to realize their votes are simply the means of blessing crooks and killers.

Seriously tho, id be pretty pissed if my country was fucking me sans KY... why arent americans?

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Heh
 
this guy is too much everytime he posts i feel like im being lectured

Thats what she said

why are you telling me i'm craving attention? i'm not the one who started a thread 'IN THE BUTT' - tahoefreerider

 
if your not intrested in what i have to say why the fuck do you read my posts.

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Heh
 
You lost me at 'Roosevelt’s fascist New Deal.' Stay away from the polls? A lot that is going to accomplish

 
He makes many good points, but at the same time, he throws out a lot of points that are unrealistic and shallow. J.D. May, what do you say?

better to burn out...

...then fade away
 
^I say you're a poet and you don't realize it. Oh shit, I fucked it up. Oh well. I'm about to go into my English final in 20 minutes, so I can't deal with this now. I assume, since certain conservatives have yet to post, that this will still be near the top when I finish the exam 3 hours from now. If I live...

J.D.'s Hall of Fame for Stupid Posts:

''mad trix is a gay name. go with the k2's.'' -Linepunk

''Dude, Americans or Canadians didn't invent english, the British dudes did.'' -Chauncy

''Gay people are fags'' -Atlantaski

''dude i am literat i just cant spell worth shit u got prob with it bitch'' -Bridgerbowlskier

''Gay marriages are gay.'' -SUpilot

'if it werent for women, i wouldnt have to wear condoms' -Hucksterjibber
 
dont vote. what a stupid idea. only the non bush will not vote then where does that get you?

yay canada!

i felt like a big man pushing that kid around! - homer

shes talking to her invisible friend, God - bart

adrian
 
i have some respect for you in the fact that youra are complaingin abut but giving way to fix the problem you talk liek you do not live in america. . come on. america still has it better than alot of peopele. sayign shit like how much better europe is insane. the us is huge and right now i dont feel like my freedom is treatind. laws and goverments and shit are so that we dotn have pedophiles and dog fuckers. if you feel that you freedom is being hamperd. at least you wernt a jew on the train to awshitz.

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'there's two types of people in this world. the people that take shit and the people that dish it out. Who said that? ' oh Yeah i think his name was Jeasus'' '

'i dont know what sex feels like but its got to feel something like that'
 
^^ you dont know all that much do u?

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'the more it hurts, the better it feels' - Sarah

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can you make me a shortnened..'dont really care but would love to know what the hell youre talking about without reading alot' version please

 
yes. its like some anamal abuse... you are a faciast. go eat some kraft cheese.

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'there's two types of people in this world. the people that take shit and the people that dish it out. Who said that? ' oh Yeah i think his name was Jeasus'' '

'i dont know what sex feels like but its got to feel something like that'
 
ummm........i didnt read it. way to long. do you have the cliff notes or something man.

I didnt go to college and check me out im kick ass

forget it donny you're out of your element

Boys are stupid...throw rocks at them

You can Der-a-lick my balls

We were somewhere around Barstow, on the edge of the desert, when the drugs began to take hold. I remember saying something like I feel a bit lightheaded. Maybe you should drive. Suddenly, there was a terrible roar all around us, and the sky was full with what looked like huge bats, all swooping and screeching and diving around the car, and a voice was screaming Holy Jesus! What are these goddamn animals?! Acosta: Did you say something? Raoul Duke: Hm? Nevermind. It's your turn to drive. Narrator: No point in mentioning these bats, I thought. Poor bastard will see them soon enough. - fear and loathing in las vegas

 
because our country influences the world in what we choose, or dont choose to do. ahhh but seriously im sick of people bitching about conspiracies, why bush planned everything, how the illuminati is about to take over the world... maybes its all true but i really dont think telling people on a ski site that is gonna make much of a difference

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'Let's give them milk, and cookies, and handcuffs.'- Jacko

'michael moore called...said he is ready to fuck you again' - SUpilot
 
if the people go up and get rid of the state who will pay for helth care and schooling and protection?? huamans are to greedy man . you gotta set some limits. and by the way did you know tomas jefferson.? the only reson im gettin sand in my vagina is the fact yoru dissing my county. thats not cool man. at least i can buy cigarettes when im 18.

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'there's two types of people in this world. the people that take shit and the people that dish it out. Who said that? ' oh Yeah i think his name was Jeasus'' '

'i dont know what sex feels like but its got to feel something like that'
 
^what good is being able to buy cigarettes at 18 if you can't buy booze?

TMC WUUUUUUUUUUUUUT

WE KILL YOU

SKIER: How would you describe your style?

PJ Cliche: Total skate influence. Even doh dis is on concrete, an you are face sideways, an it has sweet fuck all to do with ski, skate 'as play a huge role wit my steeze.

 
In most of the world you can buy beer when you are 18..

It's kinda weird how in the states you drive at 16,smoke and vote at 18 and drink at 21...am i the only one who thinks it should be like:drinking at 16,so you learn your lesson before you can grab your car,drive at 18,smoke at 19 and vote at 20.That'd be cool.

'five0 is a crazy sexy nutcracker motherfucker'.I hope you have reached a high level of happiness now
 
oh LORD he got angry

b/c maybe you would stop with the gayness

Thats what she said

why are you telling me i'm craving attention? i'm not the one who started a thread 'IN THE BUTT' - tahoefreerider

 
interesting piot... i could have sworn that i had you correctly pigeon holed as a super liberal/socialist type, but here you are promoting a libertatarian artical. i guess i will at least have to grant you that you are coming at this from both sides... although come to think of it, most of your cut and paste jobs have dealt with the encroachment of government on our individual rights... and truth be told, this admin is definatly a big spender... no debate there... as far as i can tell, the tax cuts seem to be doing their job, although there is quite the hole being opened up in financing a war... i guess that point is that i always took you for a leftist... and perhaps youre more conservitive than all of us...

-you think you can take us on... you and your cronies-
 
'if the people go up and get rid of the state who will pay for helth care and schooling and protection?? huamans are to greedy man . you gotta set some limits'

what ever happened to doing stuff because you liked to do it? oh yea, that went out the door when laws and economy stepped in thousands of years ago

Fuck You
 
i dont agree with the never vote thing but i see his point.

and to the person who said i have no reason to be interested in US politics. Yes i do. your country seems to have an intrest in everyone elses business.

btw remember my efforts when your zero value currency evaporates and you all become slaves.

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Heh
 
never voting is pretty stupid, wahts the point of democracy if u cant vote for ur leader. goto a dictatorship like cuba if u dont like democracy, he will treat u good there

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mario doesn't need that shit, he can stomp his own game with out no mother fucking dinosaur horse. bich.

-alpentalik
 
why the fuck would you get pissed at this guy for posting stuff like this, noone forced you to read it, all hes doing is encouraging intelligent discussion on ns, more of that wouldnt hurt anything, anyways im too tired to read that now, but maybe later

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the only problem with man is that he doesn't know how he ought to live. But there is a law of life. A law to live by. Not guidelines (commandments)..not suggestions (parents, schools), but a LAW. Just as certain as the law of gravity. The law of nature. Distroy diversity and face extinction. Increased food production = increased population. Starvation is natural. We have to start following the laws of nature and stop thinking we are exempt from them. We have to stop pretending we are gods and we were meant to rule the world and possibly the universe. if we continue, we will crash. we are getting close. As we eliminate species and diversity, we decrease the changes of anything surviving after we destroy ourselves. We are very close to eliminating all life on this planet forever. Something will survive, right? Well, we hope so. But one thing is certain. It won't be us.
 
and how are we going to be slaves huh. for you up in canada.dont think so. america is gonna go on for ever man becasue we reperaset all people we are hypocrites. and therfore ahve no set way of thinking allways changing. i hope america takes over canada.

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'there's two types of people in this world. the people that take shit and the people that dish it out. Who said that? ' oh Yeah i think his name was Jeasus'' '

'i dont know what sex feels like but its got to feel something like that'
 
dont vote?

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

yes, of course governments listen to protests, THATS why the UK didnt go into Iraq, those HUGE protests! how stupid of me.

 
Random fact: There are more people in california than in canada. AND there are more kangaroos in austrailia (sp) than there are people in canada. Canada sucks. and im allowed to say that cause i dated a canadian for a year

Arggg...I am a pirate!
 
no kidding americans , how many times have you been burned by an expensive hospital bill ?

how many times have i been burned by an expensive bill 0 times

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-Matt

my one friend was pushed into a pole and he riped his sack open on impact now we call him stitchie

What our sport needs is love, not everyone trying to be cooler than each other.-skimack
 
WORRY ABOUT YOUR OWN COUNTRY YOU GODDAMN CANADIANS

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HIGH NORTH SESSION 4

The Hot Sauce Champion of the World
 
yes free healthcare, good one piot, because it ought to be every governments obligation to provide its people with sub-standard medical attention

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'If the ones we love are stolen from us, the way to have them live on is to never stop loving them. Buildings burn, people die, but real love is forever.'

-Closing lines of The Crow-
 
my favorite canadian med system story occured when a guy i know broke his ankle skateboarding in vancouver, and got it casted at a hospital there. after the ammount of time had passed that was supposed to yeild a healed ankle, he got the cast off, and the bones were further apart than they were after the original break. he then went to the states for surgery to fix the publicly funded medical debachle that he endured in b.c. there is a reason that the best doctors work in the u.s. regardless of their nationalitiy. its because they can get paid in relation to the important work they do.... id rather pay more for superior medical service than get shafted for free.

-you think you can take us on... you and your cronies-
 
America could afford free healthcare aswell If we didnt have such an illegal immagration problem (one you do not have since your only nieghbor kicks fucking ass) People who do not pay taxes yet receive free healthcare that shit doesnt work. Thats why healthcare facilties in California are having issues since they dont refuse medical treatment to people who are illegal they stick the hospital with the bill and its never heard of again. You cannot compare Canadas policies with that of America since we are subject to different external forces.

God is an American.
 
lord_piots a red diper doper baby, hes a comunist neo-facist, and is unamerican, people like him including that pig kerry should be rounded up and deported to france. Thank Jesus (our lord and savoir) that we have Goerge w. Bush defending us from those evil doers.

I'm Pro-Choice on Everything, Vote Libertarian! Ugly bags of mostly water

 
For all the dipshits, puppetfucks, and the just plain ignorant, Piot isn't arguing against democracy, or against America. He's arguing for both.

Any effort I may make to say anything of meaning in this thread will be first misinterpreted by dumbasses, then ignored, then lost in antiquity when this thread reaches the second page in about four hours. Nevertheless...

Itsbackfliptime: The U.S. national debt is increasing at an average of 1.98 billion dollars A DAY. I wouldn't call that 'getting better.' It's tripled since 1987. I wouldn't call that getting better, either.

In the fiscal year 2003, the U.S. government spent 318 billion dollars paying interest on the debt. Compare that to $61 billion for the Dept. Education and $56 billion for the Department of Transportation.

But this has absolutely nothing to do with this thread... in fact, I don't know what the hell this thread has to do with anything besides a libertarian rant.

'he'd just laugh his maniacal laugh and go back to smoking weed.' - yeti, on Lord_Piot

 
^The national debt is higher now than it ever has been, hence the weak dollar around the world. We keep adding on and on and on to the national debt, I know the government won't offically admit it but we are at war so the national debt is going to continue to rise. For all you Bush supporters out their just remember we had a huge surplus before Bush was scammed into office and he gave all back to us so he could buy his time in the white house. Guess what we took the bait hook, line and sinker. We are now paying the price on the worst president we've had in forty years.

***Hire a teenager while they still know everything.***

 
the dollar is weak because IT IS WORTHLESS. ITS A PAPER CURRENCY. America just wait till the world switches to the euro to measure oil/gas and other resource exports. there will be no more use for the overinflated US currency...Then youll have to deal with deflation. i can guarentee you itll be 10x worst then your little '9/11'

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Heh
 
^ our money is backed by gold so it is not worthless paper. The more we borrow against our dollar, the weaker it will be come, once we are able to pay ourselves back the dollar will strengthen. Just like your dollar in your pocket lets say you have lots of them in your pocket and you don't owe anything then your dollar is strong, now if you owe a bunch of money all of a sudden your dollar is not as valuable. The national debt works the same way.

***Hire a teenager while they still know everything.***

 
^thank you for bringing some intelligence to this thread. Piot too. I don't have anything to add except a warning to Canadians: Do not 'defend' your country by citing our 'free' healthcare system. It's not nearly as great as it appears, and it's horribly mis-managed.

TMC WUUUUUUUUUUUUUT

WE KILL YOU

SKIER: How would you describe your style?

PJ Cliche: Total skate influence. Even doh dis is on concrete, an you are face sideways, an it has sweet fuck all to do with ski, skate 'as play a huge role wit my steeze.

 
i appreciate the lesser amounts of negative comments in this thread. usually whenever piot makes a thread its endlessly flamed by people who are not very informed. thank you, and i would like to say a few things.

somebody said america will be around forever, i think it was hoodrat. sorry but nothing lasts for ever. look at the roman, british, and ottomon empires, eventually 'great' civilizations corrode, and fall apart, and for america it's coming very soon, perhaps even in our lifetime's.

the '00 election was a joke, Bush should not be president. Florida was such a scam. dubya's brother is the governor who ordered local law enforcement to discourage and even forcefully hold back minorities from the polls. yeah it may be hard to believe but it is true. peoples homes were called and tricked into not voting. it was estimated that around 20,000 ballots were also thrown away due to, 'errors' on them. its bullshit i say.

ill post more later, im goin to the driving range to relieve some frustration.

there is much more to life than flourescent lights...
 
^^ What is the federal gold deposit used for then?? Why does the dollar rise and fall with the value of gold and not silver or copper?? I'm not trying to be a smartass I would like to be more informed??

***Hire a teenager while they still know everything.***

 
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