When are we gonna reach the tipping point?

[FruitBootPro]

Nowadays, people voice their displeasure every time winter X Games comes around. There's a lot of backlash/hate for competitive freestyle skiing right now and although I enjoy watching comps every so often, I think it's pretty valid. Judging is wack, style is bland, it just looks like gymnastics, etc etc...All this being said, when do we reach a tipping point and someone starts a new, regular, and official competitive circuit that focuses on rail jams, street comps, and other formats that appeal more to the """"core"""" (kill me now) freeskiing community? Like the SLS skateboarding competitions.

 

[yungspliffy]

I don't think there's any problem with the current format, if anything they should implement a rule that all riders must quintuple cork 3600 before qualifying for any event, also vail should reserve all rights and change the name to the vail games for continuity purposes regarding complete and total ownership of everything in skiing

 

[STEEZUS_CHRI5T]

Change will only come when the events start losing profit. Not saying to boycott or anything but these things are ran like businesses. The organizations don’t care about our opinions.

 

[-Dan]

I’m rooting for Wallisch. Steel city showdown was a world class event when I went 2 years ago. He’s doing it again this March. I feel like if we all show mad love when that goes down and give more wind under Tom and his team’s wings then it could end up being even bigger. Maybe 3 stops of the jam, maybe video contest, idk. What I do know is Tom has the passion and the position more so than nearly anyone to pull it off.

 

[CatdickBojangles]

I’m rooting for Wallisch. Steel city showdown was a world class event when I went 2 years ago. He’s doing it again this March. I feel like if we all show mad love when that goes down and give more wind under Tom and his team’s wings then it could end up being even bigger. Maybe 3 stops of the jam, maybe video contest, idk. What I do know is Tom has the passion and the position more so than nearly anyone to pull it off.

Steel City Showdown was amazing. Just the vibe there was nuts. It was like a local rail jam, everyone just hanging out and then there’s cameras and big time pros. Dew tour was really separating its self on the comp scene but it seems to have just become another mini X games.

I don’t think the Olympics help the comp scene at all either.

 

[Farmville420]

[tag=132847]@K2[/tag] its time….

 

[switchlip2]

I’m rooting for Wallisch. Steel city showdown was a world class event when I went 2 years ago. He’s doing it again this March. I feel like if we all show mad love when that goes down and give more wind under Tom and his team’s wings then it could end up being even bigger. Maybe 3 stops of the jam, maybe video contest, idk. What I do know is Tom has the passion and the position more so than nearly anyone to pull it off.

What weekend in march?

 

[a_pla5tic_bag]

Nowadays, people voice their displeasure every time winter X Games comes around. There's a lot of backlash/hate for competitive freestyle skiing right now and although I enjoy watching comps every so often, I think it's pretty valid. Judging is wack, style is bland, it just looks like gymnastics, etc etc...All this being said, when do we reach a tipping point and someone starts a new, regular, and official competitive circuit that focuses on rail jams, street comps, and other formats that appeal more to the """"core"""" (kill me now) freeskiing community? Like the SLS skateboarding competitions.

This opinion is core. Nobody outside of NS cares about this stuff. Any judged sport is going to have whack judging at some point so a new comp won't fix that. You'd have to have a style of comp where it's more objective, for example, playing skate or something.

If we're talking meme comp formats, I want one where if you remember how some of the old tony hawk games and quests where you'd be skating and the guy calls out a trick and you have to do it? Do that, skier is approaching a rail, and a random trick generator calls out a trick for you. You can class tricks on difficulty beforehand and agree upon it. Land it = points, fall = no points.

 

[Casey]

I haven’t watched X games in a few years but tuning in for the women’s events HOLY SHIT. Way more interesting from a television perspective. Men’s slope was dumb no one wants to see half the field bobble the first feature over and over during ideal conditions like Jesus Christ get it together it’s the fucking X games learn how to hit a rail.

 

[DrZoidberg]

These dudes are pushing the limits of what's possible.

If you stuck them all on a smaller jump, put them all in baggy clothes, told them to pretend it's 2007 and the most spinning you can do is a 1080, no dubs, than any one of these guys could put down a stylish run. I think if half of these dudes came to any hill and just rode around doing whatever on normal park features, 99% of NS would say damn that dude is stylish af. But there's less room for style if you're trying to rotate as quickly as possible on the biggest jump there is, especially when you've done the trick you're trying like three times. It's not like they're just doing cork 7s all day.

Also pretty sure a huge portion of skateboarders do not consider street league to be core, and the judging is pretty cut and dry. They don't care how well you kickflip the stairs if I tre flip them. So it's not exactly any less robotic than what x games can be. Likewise, any of those dudes could put down the more stylish kickflip over said stair set because that's simple for them. If you've ever seen any of those dudes skate in real life, it's insane. Any normal-ish trick at your local park, they can do it first try with little effort.

 

[tutipups]

These dudes are pushing the limits of what's possible.

If you stuck them all on a smaller jump, put them all in baggy clothes, told them to pretend it's 2007 and the most spinning you can do is a 1080, no dubs, than any one of these guys could put down a stylish run. I think if half of these dudes came to any hill and just rode around doing whatever on normal park features, 99% of NS would say damn that dude is stylish af. But there's less room for style if you're trying to rotate as quickly as possible on the biggest jump there is, especially when you've done the trick you're trying like three times. It's not like they're just doing cork 7s all day.

Also pretty sure a huge portion of skateboarders do not consider street league to be core, and the judging is pretty cut and dry. They don't care how well you kickflip the stairs if I tre flip them. So it's not exactly any less robotic than what x games can be. Likewise, any of those dudes could put down the more stylish kickflip over said stair set because that's simple for them. If you've ever seen any of those dudes skate in real life, it's insane. Any normal-ish trick at your local park, they can do it first try with little effort.

Henrik harlaut was still the most stylish skiier even on those insane jumps

 

[ericforman]

Idk man I feel like it was pretty dope this year. Also you watch dusty snowboard? Pretty hard to say that wasn’t stylish. They also introduced an entire event just around style (knuckle huck). Seems fine

 

[asparagus]

If you stuck them all on a smaller jump, put them all in baggy clothes, told them to pretend it's 2007 and the most spinning you can do is a 1080, no dubs

This should be an event

 

[jakeordie]

You'd have to have a style of comp where it's more objective, for example, playing skate or something.

Latest slvsh game is so good, they use the whole park and keep it going after dark. Joss is the man for winning olympic gold and then doing the realest thing for skiing.

 

[The.Fish]

I’m rooting for Wallisch. Steel city showdown was a world class event when I went 2 years ago. He’s doing it again this March. I feel like if we all show mad love when that goes down and give more wind under Tom and his team’s wings then it could end up being even bigger. Maybe 3 stops of the jam, maybe video contest, idk. What I do know is Tom has the passion and the position more so than nearly anyone to pull it off.

Its too bad that Vail bought out 7springs because there is no way in hell they will keep letting him host that there. I am sure he can get Monster or somebody to pay for a rail setup every year at some other core east coast mountain at least.

 

[Goretex_Vidal]

Exactly it; the prize money isn’t there anymore, the crowds aren’t either, but as long as Wendy’s is paying ESPN and ESPN needs dirt cheap content to sell to ads the Xgames will keep happening in this form

Change will only come when the events start losing profit. Not saying to boycott or anything but these things are ran like businesses. The organizations don’t care about our opinions.

 

[STEEZUS_CHRI5T]

Exactly it; the prize money isn’t there anymore, the crowds aren’t either, but as long as Wendy’s is paying ESPN and ESPN needs dirt cheap content to sell to ads the Xgames will keep happening in this form

As petty as it sounds, I would be interested in seeing a side by side comparison of competition earnings today vs. 2009

Flat payouts

Sponsor bonuses

Number of sponsor per rider then vs now

Kind of surprised retired pros have kept this all so secret.

 

[Goretex_Vidal]

I know last year when THall was on the Bombhole he mentioned how winnings back in 02-05 were enough for him to buy a condo in PC at 18 which even 20 years ago was an obscene amount of money.

More recently [tag=261399]@OutofBoundsPod[/tag] had Kyle Smaine on who talked about only earning around $5K off an entire World Cup season in half pipe

As petty as it sounds, I would be interested in seeing a side by side comparison of competition earnings today vs. 2009

Flat payouts

Sponsor bonuses

Number of sponsor per rider then vs now

Kind of surprised retired pros have kept this all so secret.

**This post was edited on Jan 24th 2022 at 11:29:56am

 

[FruitBootPro]

Change will only come when the events start losing profit. Not saying to boycott or anything but these things are ran like businesses. The organizations don’t care about our opinions.

Change will only come to the X GAMES* when their model stops being profitable. This doesn’t change that skiers’ disillusionment with comp freestyle creates demand for a rail jam style circuit.

 

[tominiemenmaa]

The game was bonkers but why on earth they weren't using helmets anymore? Those guys are the core, every little kiddo looks up to them and mimics them. Ferdi got a concussion 2 days before the X Games and had to skip them. Hopefully it isn't anything bad, but I bet it was something what would've been avoidable with a brain bucket...

Latest slvsh game is so good, they use the whole park and keep it going after dark. Joss is the man for winning olympic gold and then doing the realest thing for skiing.

 

[bbw.enthusiast]

The game was bonkers but why on earth they weren't using helmets anymore? Those guys are the core, every little kiddo looks up to them and mimics them. Ferdi got a concussion 2 days before the X Games and had to skip them. Hopefully it isn't anything bad, but I bet it was something what would've been avoidable with a brain bucket...

growing up is realizing helmets dont prevent concussions at all, they just reduce the chance of your skull fracturing

 

[BigmoneyMatt]

Nowadays, people voice their displeasure every time winter X Games comes around. There's a lot of backlash/hate for competitive freestyle skiing right now and although I enjoy watching comps every so often, I think it's pretty valid. Judging is wack, style is bland, it just looks like gymnastics, etc etc...All this being said, when do we reach a tipping point and someone starts a new, regular, and official competitive circuit that focuses on rail jams, street comps, and other formats that appeal more to the """"core"""" (kill me now) freeskiing community? Like the SLS skateboarding competitions.

Fuck you! I don't want any fucking no good degenerate park rat skiers on my beautiful jeep advertisements.

 

[WoFIowz]

Noob: https://www.newschoolers.com/forum/thread/928881/Official-Xgames-Discussion-Thread?page=4