What's the Deal with TGR's Forums? Just Me?

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BC-Steeze

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Hey Guys,

After not having posted or really looked at TGR's forums for close to a year, I decided to get back on some of their message board's in hopes of maybe finding some new partners to ski backcountry and some new areas near where I live in Summit/Eagle County, Colorado. Wow was I surprised by what I found among TGR's members. Within a day of posting a message reading:

"Hey Guys,

I am lookin for a potential partner to hit up some backcountry around Vail with from this upcoming Friday 12-22 through New Years. I am a 21 year old undergrad at the Colorado School of Mines in Golden where I live and I will be staying in Vail for 8 days and am lookin to check out the East Vail Chutes, Mushroom Bowl, Machine Gun Ridge/Lions Head towards Minturn/Camp Hale, Some of the BC hike access stuff off of Earl's Bowl at Blue Sky Basin, ect... I know Vail inbounds extremely well and out of bounds moderately well, and have hiked most of thesr areas before. I ski on 06' K2 Seth's mounted with the Marker Duke AT bindings and some G3 Climbing Skins, and have avy gear [Beacon, Shovel,probe, GPS, Avalung] and know how to use it. I Like to ski mostly steeps and trees but occasionally will mess around in the park and can't pass up rippin a zipper line in bumps. I have pretty good BC experience and like to hit pretty gnarly terrain and would expect the same from you. If you have an AT or Tele setup that would def. be a big ++

too; saves time and effort hiking. If you have a sled then we are golden haha... /web/forums/createthread/cat_id/ubb/smile.gif I'm also always down for hittin some of Vail's inbounds stashes, most of which I know pretty well, always am lookin for new people to ski with. Anyways yeah give me a holler if you'll be in the area and wanna hook up, also I have room at my place for 1 or 2 people for a few nights if someone wants to come up from D-Town or somewhere and ski with me a bit.

Peace,

Phil"

I had a bunch of messages blatantly calling me a dumbass and private messages with such polite requests as 'go fuck yourself'. A more thorough search of the website's forums revealed dozens if not hundreds of posts where faceless losers trolling the abyss of useless crap known as the internet had insulted and debased people and skiing in ways I didn't even know was possible. I like newschoolers in many ways but figured perhaps since I know newschoolers can be more park-oriented sometimes, I might have better luck finding some people for ski mountaineering/backcountry on a place like TGR, right? TGR the company seems to be all about the 'core scene' and the local ski bum culture and rippin big mountain stuff right? Well this might be true of their company [which I am beginning to doubt a bit too] but certainly doesn't cover all their supposed followers.

I know there is a lot of hating and trash talking that goes on in any sort of internet forum but man, these people at TGR are taking it to a new level! Holy crap! What are these people so angry about? Skiing is about being outside and having fun, right? Regardless of whether you have been skiing for 10 days or 10 years we are all here becuase we like to ski, no? I never thought I would say this, but mad props to newschoolers on the wholw for remembering what we are here for and not gettin carried away in the bullshit and details.

These 'maggots' at TGR could take a hint. And thats another thing, they seem to have this obession with the word 'maggot' like it's some exclusive cult or something. From what I understand, the word originally was synonymous with an underground fraternity of [supposedly] badass, hardcore big-mountain stylr skiers who shunned the commercialization of skiing and lives a rag-tag dirtbag lifestyle. Now it seems it has morphed into anyone with an I.P Address and an Attitude. The thing is though these people seem so fiercly proud of this word, like 'WE are fuckin' MAGGOTS, this is OUR word, and you guys are NOT, you are All gapers and newbs and posers." I just don't know where all the hate is from. Last I check the word 'maggot' was a pretty nasty, negative word with pretty bad connotations, perhaps these people are so badass they thrive on being affiliated with fresh-eating insects, becuase that somehow elevates them into another level od badassness above all us newschool gapers and punks.

It seems the people on TGR are roughly divided into three groups: 80% mediocre, average skiers who see maybe teo week max a season on the hill and take out their rage at being from unfortunate parts of the country on the rest of us, ~9% legit, good skiers who are just out there having fun and don't need to brag about their latest cork 9 or 40-footer, and maybe 1% rediculous, pro/semi-pro big-mountain skiers who seem to be entirely out of place and post insane trips reports that provoke a mix of awe and envy in the rest of us [I'm not Hatin' on these guys they kick ass!]

Anyways yeah maybe I'm just frustrated at some inadaquecy of my own or somethin I'm sorry to rant, but I just was really frustrated and dissapointed at the immaturity and triviality I found over at TGR. Again, never thought I would say this, but Newschoolers, keep up the good work.

Best Regards,

Phil.

'Tis The Season To Be Steazin'.

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wow..

really well written!

Newschoolers still has it's hate, but what you described over @ TGR just sounds lame.

Best of luck man, i'm wayyyyy to far away to be anywhere near snow right now
 
Eh, you have to be able to fling shit and take answers with a grain of salt over there. The difference between TGR and NS (aside from the obvious) is that here people take everything seriously, but over there the sarcasm runs pretty thick. Yeah, people can be harsh, but if you can learn to not take everything personally it's a great place.
 
There's always going to be crap in the internet, especially if you're not well known on TGR. I don't think it's really the site to meet up with people for BC trips, they do seem to be really tight-knit. NS will probably do the same thing, but surprisingly to a lesser degree I bet. People on here seem to be really chill and relaxed unless you just say something completely retarded. In real life...not so much.

However, TGR is an amazing source of info. There are so many gearheads on there that can point you in the direction you should go, and sometimes can be very specific. I'm more of a reader of the TGR forums for the very reasons you stated: they don't care about new members at all, and NS does (a bit more, at least).

However, finding ski partners on the internet in general is a bit sketchy and finicky for my taste. Hopefully it goes well for you.
 
Oh, and one more thing: That is a really bad way to try to find a BC partner. If someone tried to convince me to ski with them by listing off their equipment and saying they're out to ski gnarly lines I would most likely reject the invitation. I've met a couple people off TGR to go tour and definitely didn't need to know what they were riding or what kind of skiing they "needed" to do. I know you didn't mean to come off that way, but all most people need to know is whether or not they can depend on you.
 
Sarcasm definitely runs rampant over at TGR. There are a lot of good guys tho. I am more of a lurker there, I like to look at the sick pictures that people throw up and read about gear advice. It's a lot like NS where it helps to have a solid post count or some sort of reputation on the site. Like the guy above me said though, I probably wouldn't want to go out and ski with someone if they put up a post like you did. I wouldnt have reacted as harshly as you made it sound, but I'm not surprised they gave you shit. Just don't take it to heart.
 
Hey thanks for the input yeah you guys are right I guess I overreacted a bit haha... and yes I agree this internet is a rather bad way all in all to find ski partners, especially for backcountry/big mountain stuff... And I guess I kinda came off like a douche listing me gear and what kind of terrain I am lookin to hit, I guess it's like you said though, everything is so anyonymous, how else are you supposed to prove you are at least semi-legit and for real? I suppose this is the inherent weakness of trying to find people to ski with online. Well anyways now I feel like a dumbass for gettin carried away on a rant on a mute point of sorts haha... oh well.
 
In your defense, you wrote a veeeerrrryyy good rant. And the guys at TGR are always up to ski but from what I can tell they sometimes want to test you out with a day at the slopes. People don't exactly like to give up their BC spots to complete strangers. There is definitely a sense of community there that is lacking on NS. Many of those guys will put you up on their couch if you need it in exchange for a six pack or something. That is impressive.
 
TGR fosters more hate than NS in my opinion.

I would ssimply repost all the PMs and tell them that they all need to take a lot at themselves.
 
its becuase you're new and they don't trust/know you. once you get to know people, the community is really amazing. but you cant just ski bc with someone without trusting/knowing their skills to rescue your ass.
 
NIMBY's holier than thou. Write a response that ignores the crap. Imagine the crap I got here when I was looking for someone to ride with my 11yr old kid many years ago.. hahahaha It worked out.
 
I'm not trying to pile on but I'm seeing more and more people say "mute point". There is no such thing. The term is "moot point" and it does not mean that something is unimportant or to be disregarded. It means something is open to question or debatable. To say something is moot means that it is subject to discussion, it is disputed, or unresolved.

Sorry to be all teachy...tgr is damn awesome btw.
 
Sorry I go to an engineering school I no speaky very good english haha.... your righ t though that is a rather common gramatical error; up there with Bush's 'Nucular' vs. 'Nuclear' haha.... And Yeah I could see how TGR could be pretty cool at times, maybe it's becuase I'm new, but all in all I'd rather be out skiing than sittin at my computer typing posts on some web forum, so do I really need to 5,000 posts to be considered 'legit' by TGR forum standards? Couldn't I still be some lardass from Florida who has never skied a day in his life who has been posing the whole time for all people know? I guess trust over the internet is a fickle thing... but yeah I agree you usually have better luck trying to find people to ski with in real life.
 
exactly. i think tgr is much better compared to ns. so much less bs, so much better input/bad input ratio. yeah they deff test you if you haven't been in a while. and they could tell that because u straight up wanted to know good spots and stuff. u gotta keep it more general. no1 is gonna tell some stranger where all this good terrain. try to ski with people and if they like you they will show you some spots. if they dont, then ul end up going for the same skiing you woulda done even if u didnt meet any1 there in the first place so no loss there
 
TGR is rough on new people. Always has been. Give it sometime. Generally that is the welcome a lot of people get.

Man up, don't get your feelings hurt, and stick around.

Personally, I can see why you were attacked from your post by some of the people on there. People there take there BC safety seriously, as they should, so posting about BC partners isn't always taken well. There is a lot of drama and shit over there right now, which honestly sucks, and there are a lot of people who are just douchebags.

BUT, I promise you there are a ton of great people on there. If you stick around, I am sure you will meet them.

 
I feel like this thread and threads like this that take more than 10 seconds to read bring out the best members on NS. Just reading some of the actual legitimate replies makes me think that we are starting to develop a community like TGR.
 
You don't need 5000. The respect to post count ratio is somewhat lower over there compared to here. Some people with only a couple hundred posts have a lot of cred but the posts over there are usually a little higher quality than the ones we get on here. I guess you could still be some guy in Florida but a lot of respect is given to people who post "TR"s which are posts with pictures and recounts of their day skiing. Just give it time.
 
I agree. People here feel they need to prove themselves far too much. That and the average age is significantly higher over there. 
 
Exactly why you got hated on. All you needed to say way " I would like to go tour with some new people. I know what's up, I know what I'm doing. Let me know." If you've lurked over there you should know arrogance is not tolerated, even if that's not what you were trying to bring across. Then the name-drops to boot....
 
Yeah the tgr forum is mostly a bunch of middle age beaters who think they are the know all of skiing. There was nothing wrong with listing your equipment - it shows that you are serious about BC skiing and not going about it half hearted. About listing your abilty thats Ok, but I would want to ski the resort with you and vise-versa before we did any BC skiing. Keep looking you well find someone.
 
BIGGEST FUCKING DOUCHENOZZLE POST EVER.

TGR IS FULL OF A BUNCH OF MIDDLE AGED BEATERS?

AND NS IS FULL OF NOBEL PRIZE WINNERS.
 
I've said it before and I will say it again - this type of behaviour is just super typical of the internet!

Really you can go to zillions of forums and except for a choice few, there's way too much shit talking and useless retards polluting it. Its just something you do have to learn to ignore! Hopefully one of these days we can get the karma system running to its full potential and automatically filter all the garbage...

However in the time being, just remember how much our mods do to remove a lot of this crap!

 
The guys at TGR are assholes to new people for good reason. So many noobs/jongs post retarded repetative shit and dilute the good content. While most of it leaks through here, despite the numerous mods we have, the self-moderation at TGR seems to work fairly well.
 
Agreed. I will say again that I value TGR so much because the quality of the posts are so much higher than they are here.
 
Noobs/Jongs and you forgot the "maggot" fav, Douche. Self-moderation? How do have time to ski when your post nearly reach 5 g's on NS? Your TGR name must have ten thousand post the way you praise their forum. I thought real "maggots" actually ski. Your a fucking geek buddy. Go fucking put on your ARC'TERYX Jacket and moderate how far your head is up your ass.
 
You sound like a 50 year old asshole that thinks the youth of skiing is out of reach. "I value TGR so much because the quality of the posts are so much higher". Why don't you enlighten us with one of your valuable post becuase this one is grap?
 
It's called summer and posting when you're on the computer. He's been on NS for 5 years, I think it's not bad to post 2 times a day...that hardly takes up 20 minutes time. Do the math, he does ski obviously.

Plus, the "douche" thing you're talking about? Hating on a logical explanation is just straight-up rude and immature if you're going to be calling him a "douche." Arcteryx makes great, gear by the way. Maybe you could try some high quality shit sometime. No, oakley doesn't count.
 
and with that...

Banned for a few days, which I am sure you won't care about. But god you are annoying and have no idea what you are talking about. So shut the fuck up.
 
I think it's relatively unfair how you were treated. I didn't see your post as claiming, and from the sounds of it, you know the area, and know the stashes already.

For a forum that touts BC safety so much, you'd think they'd be more willing to partner up with a fellow ripper who is looking for someone to shred with so he can ski the BC with a partner, safely.

If I lived in CO, I'd take the offer to ski with you for sure.
 
i know it's pretty much been said, but people on the internet generally seem to suck. that is until you stick around for while and really check out how things work and how "community" members respond to certain things.

i've been lucky enough to join surfing, skiing, and longboarding online communities early on, so that i was able to see who i could go to for info and such. there are definately people out there who are stoked for their sport, know tons of info about the sport, but don't generally go online because they're too busy enjoying the sport. it's kind of rare to come across people like iggyskier, Triple_Strum, and Vicious just to name a few members on here that have gained my respect for all the help they've either given me, or other members. there are definately more people that are always down for helping other out, it just takes some time to find them
 
Not that I need to defend myself here, but...

1. I never referred to myself as a maggot.

2. I have been here for 5 years. And ski plenty thank you very much.

3. I wish I had some Arc'Teryx stuff, it's sweet.

4. As far as better content goes, Trip Reports. I could probably stop there, but I'll continue. The Ski Review Links thread, The Ski Weight thread, pretty much the entire Slide Zone forum, the How-to on bending FKS brakes, numerous group-buy opportunities throughout the year, and I could go on and on.

5. You're an idiot.

Also, just because someone lists off a whole bunch of their gear and speaks on knowledge of particular areas of a certain mountain does not all of a sudden make them trustworthy. I could go out tomorrow, drop a grand on avy gear and start running my mouth about how well I know whistler, but that doesn't make me knowledgable about snow conditions or someone you'd want to trust your life with if you were burried. By all means, you may be or I may be, but without getting to know the person it's fairly irresponsible to just jump into the backcountry with them.
 
i just wish more people posted TR like threads on NS. I would like to thank JakeCast for starting this.

i do enjoy the TGR forums, but until I have a legit TR to post, I would never consider posting. No need to, I cant offer enough worthwhile info.

but i think NS should starting making more TRs or even just a picture to show their day, or the rail they did, or stuff like that, because thats the only thing i like about TGR that NS doesnt do. other than that, NS has the best organized forums of any kind ive seen
 
I can agree with this to a degree.

The photos section of NS could be better used, and if you avoid the "Newly added" page, you'll get all skiing shots, instead of a bunch of "myspace-ish" photos.

More skiing stoke stories would never hurt NS, but at the same time, I can see people hating on a kid posting his stoke because he may not be a real solid skier.
 
I'd tell you to start at the beginning of the thread and read some of the posts I put up, but you are banned for a couple days. When you come back though, definitely check those out and then talk to me. Actually wait, you can still read them even though you are banned... so read them, get angry, and then come back in a few and talk to me.

P.S. This isn't one of those TGR quality posts... but since it's NS I can get away with it I think.
 
^^^^ To continue that, I think I would technically be considered the youth of skiing seeing as I'm not even half way to "50."
 
I would also say the quality of the posts over there seems to be much higher, and I've begun lurking a fair amount over there. I just don't really feel comfortable posting over there because there seems to be so much hostility towards "Jongs". Sure, if you're part of the small group of "true" maggot-bros that site is friendly, but overall it seems pretty unfriendly to outsiders.

One more thing: Is anyone else getting a little sick of people posting all over NS about how much better TGR is? Let's step it up here people, there's enough knowledge on this site to easily have a forum the quality of TGR's.

Also, a Trip Report section on this site would be badass.
 
i can see that, i didnt really think of that. i really enjoy jakecast's stoke just cuz he shows some of his trips and whatnot.

i for one plan on making some thread if i have a good session, or bc trip that i feel is worthwhile of its own thread.

but i can see that alot of people who post a 'TR' on here willl get bashed, unfortuntely. but mr bishop said it, alot of people like to talk shit on the internet and be assholes, its something we need to face
 
The "good" skiers wouldn't get bashed, but an average skier spreading his stoke about an awesome day he had, would get bashed because he didn't have enough style on a jump, et cetera.

I just wish people were more helpful and less cocky on the internet. I wish the general forums had more of the feel that regionals do. There is way less douchebaggery in the regionals because there is the greater chance of meeting the other people that are posting in there.
 
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