Ok avila, if you think you know better than myself and Luda-Chris then be my guest. But, you're trick descriptions are pretty much completely wrong. Go to the Ask Turpin cult and post what you think tricks are there so that you can have a genuine pro tell you that you are wrong. I know what all of these tricks are, the differences between them, how they are thrown, and have thrown a number of them myself. Just please get your facts straight before you try to tell kids what tricks they are doing and how to do them correctly when you don't even know yourself. I just told brownsteeze the correct thing. I'm right, you're wrong, end of story.
And yes it is summer time and yes I am cranky.