What is a mormon?
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bitchassphatz
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but tom green is annoying, not funny.
[Necro - Get On Ya Knees]
I'll hit that pussy up with a nasty attack
Get on your knees like your looking for the last piece of crack
Filthy like Al Louis, jerking off at seventy
Or senerity, swallowing my twenty inches of obscenity
I'm paying a good buck
So slut, you better fuck as good as you look and suck as good as you fuck
When it comes to this porn shit you know who the master is
Bitch I'll leave Necro tagged on your ass with jizz
[Necro - Get On Ya Knees]
I'll hit that pussy up with a nasty attack
Get on your knees like your looking for the last piece of crack
Filthy like Al Louis, jerking off at seventy
Or senerity, swallowing my twenty inches of obscenity
I'm paying a good buck
So slut, you better fuck as good as you look and suck as good as you fuck
When it comes to this porn shit you know who the master is
Bitch I'll leave Necro tagged on your ass with jizz
Astomp
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whats that southpark episode called? i will watch it and write down everything thats wrong.
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There is a man, A certain man, And for the poll you may be sure that hell do all he can, who is this one whos favorite sign just by his action has attraction magnets on the run, who likes to smoke, enjoys a joke and wouldnt get a bit upset if he were really broke with wealth and fame hes still the same i bet you five if not alive that you dont know his name.
**NWFT**
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There is a man, A certain man, And for the poll you may be sure that hell do all he can, who is this one whos favorite sign just by his action has attraction magnets on the run, who likes to smoke, enjoys a joke and wouldnt get a bit upset if he were really broke with wealth and fame hes still the same i bet you five if not alive that you dont know his name.
**NWFT**
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Astomp
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first thing
*family home evening is not where the family just entertains themselves with music and stories. its just a time when the family all hangs out together.
*Joseph smith was not told to start his own church. he was told to restore the gospel back to the world.
*moroni visits joseph in the cabin. all that native american stuff is just straight up bull shit. We dont think native americans skin is red because they are evil. we dont even care about there skin.
*We dont believe native americans are white people who are originally from jerusalem. Ive never ever heard that and ive gone to church my whole life.
*he didnt go and tell the whole town he found them. Moroni didnt just tell him where they were. it took like 3 years before he was allowed to see them.
*the seer stone didnt look like that. from how it was described it was way different. and wasnt 4 pages of gold either.
*You cant just say your mormon and be mormon. there is a thing called baptism and confirmation.
*The seer stones or Urim Thummin didnt work that way. he didnt read from a hat. he didnt read with spirit light. There was two tables set up with a curtain in between the two.
*Martin Harris begged and begged for joseph to let him take home the Book of Lehi. Joseph said no twqice because he prayed about it and thats what the lord told him to do. Martin asked again and joseph said okay. Martins wife really did take the scripture in hopes of catching joseph smith in just making it up. so its not re written. Nephi is Lehis son so its pretty logical that the story could be similar.
'All i ever did was try to be your friend denali but your so high and mighty and couldnt look past my religion and just be my friend back back, you got a lot of growing up to do buddy...suck my balls'
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There is a man, A certain man, And for the poll you may be sure that hell do all he can, who is this one whos favorite sign just by his action has attraction magnets on the run, who likes to smoke, enjoys a joke and wouldnt get a bit upset if he were really broke with wealth and fame hes still the same i bet you five if not alive that you dont know his name.
**NWFT**
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*family home evening is not where the family just entertains themselves with music and stories. its just a time when the family all hangs out together.
*Joseph smith was not told to start his own church. he was told to restore the gospel back to the world.
*moroni visits joseph in the cabin. all that native american stuff is just straight up bull shit. We dont think native americans skin is red because they are evil. we dont even care about there skin.
*We dont believe native americans are white people who are originally from jerusalem. Ive never ever heard that and ive gone to church my whole life.
*he didnt go and tell the whole town he found them. Moroni didnt just tell him where they were. it took like 3 years before he was allowed to see them.
*the seer stone didnt look like that. from how it was described it was way different. and wasnt 4 pages of gold either.
*You cant just say your mormon and be mormon. there is a thing called baptism and confirmation.
*The seer stones or Urim Thummin didnt work that way. he didnt read from a hat. he didnt read with spirit light. There was two tables set up with a curtain in between the two.
*Martin Harris begged and begged for joseph to let him take home the Book of Lehi. Joseph said no twqice because he prayed about it and thats what the lord told him to do. Martin asked again and joseph said okay. Martins wife really did take the scripture in hopes of catching joseph smith in just making it up. so its not re written. Nephi is Lehis son so its pretty logical that the story could be similar.
'All i ever did was try to be your friend denali but your so high and mighty and couldnt look past my religion and just be my friend back back, you got a lot of growing up to do buddy...suck my balls'
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There is a man, A certain man, And for the poll you may be sure that hell do all he can, who is this one whos favorite sign just by his action has attraction magnets on the run, who likes to smoke, enjoys a joke and wouldnt get a bit upset if he were really broke with wealth and fame hes still the same i bet you five if not alive that you dont know his name.
**NWFT**
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^^^the only problem is that while the lds church does not believe in many of the things that use to, such as the skin colour being a result of the group of people from israel spliting, 1/2 turning to evil ways and being cursed with darks skin, and while the lds church no longer believes that people of different skin colours are of a lower class, and while the church no longer believes in polygamy, joseph smith, is still hailed is an incredible godly founder of the religion, and as a martyr for dying at the hands of his persecutors. Those basics were at one point in time key building blocks to the religion. I know that religions develop and change overtime, but it seems convienent that aspects of the religion that would inhibit it the most from recieving good press, and publicity have been removed and disavowed, with the exception of a few groups of fundamentalists such as the ones in bountiful and colorado city. As to joseph smith himself while the lord is said to turn peoples lives around and use them for good, it seems that he would be an unlikely candidate for a holy revolation. He was a person that, while well spoken and incredibly charismatic never the less, attempted divining, was involved in fraud, tried and convicted, and inadditon experimented in satanic arts. As a final note i have a number of close friends that are mormon.
One life. One world. Live, or die trying.
One life. One world. Live, or die trying.
Astomp
Active member
As to joseph smith himself while the lord is said to turn peoples lives around and use them for good, it seems that he would be an unlikely candidate for a holy revolation. He was a person that, while well spoken and incredibly charismatic never the less, attempted divining, was involved in fraud, tried and convicted, and inadditon experimented in satanic arts.
Can you proove any of that? satanic arts? fraud ? just prove it is all i ask.
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There is a man, A certain man, And for the poll you may be sure that hell do all he can, who is this one whos favorite sign just by his action has attraction magnets on the run, who likes to smoke, enjoys a joke and wouldnt get a bit upset if he were really broke with wealth and fame hes still the same i bet you five if not alive that you dont know his name.
**NWFT**
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Can you proove any of that? satanic arts? fraud ? just prove it is all i ask.
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There is a man, A certain man, And for the poll you may be sure that hell do all he can, who is this one whos favorite sign just by his action has attraction magnets on the run, who likes to smoke, enjoys a joke and wouldnt get a bit upset if he were really broke with wealth and fame hes still the same i bet you five if not alive that you dont know his name.
**NWFT**
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john krakauer has a good book about mormonism i read, he also wrote a book called into thin air, he's actually a mountaineer and has a couple realy good books and then out of nowehre wrote a really good book about mormonism and the stuff that they hide and whatnot, good book, look it up if that interests you,
GO FLAMES!!
GO FLAMES!!
wilkesyachtingco
Active member
joseph smith was tried and convicted probably more times than any other historical figure i can think of off the top of my head... keep in mind, though, that the nature of the charges that he was tried for were completley falsified and scurrilous. satanic arts? not so sure about that one. never heard of it before. does anyone find it unusual that a kid, who was 14 years old at the start of it all was able to produce a book, over 500 pages in lenth, over the span of 10 or so years, being pursued by mobs who wanted to kill him, across 6 states, only to be murdered at the end of it all. the book of mormon introduced more proper nouns into the english language than did all of shakespeares works combined. is it odd that this could be accomplished by someone with a third grade education? teams of scholars couldnt match this work in terms of its corrospondance with the old and new testiment, not to mention the continuity of the work itself. the book of mormon is a compilation of writings that spans the years of roughly 600 bce to 435 ad or so. it includes writings by dozends of different authors, all of whom have distinct writing styles that are preceivable throughout the text. certain literaty forms that appear in the biblical texts that are exclusive to hebrew writing are found in the book of mormon. point being that there is NO WAY that this could have been writen by some random teenager/twentysomthing from upstate new york. anyone who has read it could tell you that.
the whole idea behind the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (LDS/Mormons) is that it is a restoration of the chruch that was originaly established among the Isrealites in old testament times. beleive it or not, the bible supports the LDS church as much as anything. the old and new Testaments are every bit as important in the church as is the Book Of Mormon. They teach the same ideas, namely the teachings of Jesus.
after Christ lived and died, the church was left in the hands of the Apostles. (ie peter james john, matthias, etc) the apostles went abroad spreading the message of christianity. eventually they were always traveling, and communitcated with the fledgling church via letters, or epistles, which comprise much of the new testament. in time, every single apostle was martyred. the church became the subject of dipute, and a means of control and gain at the hands of men whos motives were less than christ like. this process was a falling away from the church that Christ set up. in ephesians paul talks about a church whos foundation was upon apostles and prophets, who were privy to inspiration from God. this clearly ended no more than three hundred years after the Death of Christ. practices such as the sale of indulgences and the false doctorine of supererogation began to infiltrate the church, and corrupt it from within. durring the dark ages direct revelation was clearly not in control of the Church. then, in the late upper renaissance, one of the most pivitol events in all of world history occured, namely the protestant reformation. The uninspired ways of the Catholic church led reformers such as Calvin, Wycliffe, and most famously Martin Luther, to cry out against the uninspired practices that were taking place. They could read the scriptures, and see that the existing church lacked inspired leadership. they saw that the lure of money corrupted clergymen. We all know about Luthers little list that he nailed to the door of his church.
as this reformation broke the strangle hold that the Catholics had had on the European people, politics, and everyday life, things began to change. The discovery of the New World, and the subsequent founding of America laid the next stones in the way to a complete restoration of Christs church. Now there was a land where Religious variation was tolerated. If Joseph Smith had live in Europe in the middle ages, no way would there be an LDS church today. America made it possible. In the early 1800's the time was at hand.
Joseph Smith was called as the first prophet of the restoration. Prophets have always had certain jobs to do. Moses had to deliver the Isrealites from Egypt. Noah was to preserve his family thought the flood, Isiah was to preach of Christ. Joseph Smith was to restore the entirety of the Gospel, as it had existed with the children of Isreal in the Siani wilderness, as it had existed with Elijah, Isiah, Christ, and Paul. the ordinances of Baptism and confirmation were reinstated, as well as temple rites that had existed in the time of the Tabernacle in the wilderness. A church structure was put together identicle to the one that Christ himself had set up in the maridian of time, based on 'apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, and teachers' (ephesians 4:11) no other church today even claims to be structured this way. this being the case, there are really only three churches that are worth looking at, as far as Christianity is concerned, if you want a church that has a legitimate claim to the entire truth. you have either the catholics, based on the fact that they have existed in one form or another since the time of Christ, you have the Orthodox Christians, who have also exisited since that time, and you have the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, who claim to be a restoration of that original church that had been taken from the earth for a time. (this was foretold in the new testiment, in 2 thessolnians 2:3 '...for that day shall not come (the second coming of Christ) except there come a falling away first...' Paul foresaw an apostasy from the truth. it happened. its now over. that is the claim of the Mormons.
Now for the Book of Mormon itself. I have already said a little about its technical features.
the book is, as i said, a compilation of writings that starts with a guy named Lehi who lived in jeruselem approx 600 Bc, makeing him a contemporary of the biblical prophet Jeramiah. if youve read the writings of Jerimiah, you know that Jeruselm was in pretty bad shape, morally speaking at the time. Lehi was commanded by God to take his family and flee the city. They left with all their belongings, and with another family, treked through the arabian wilderness for 8 years or so, finally coming to the sea in what would likley be modern day Yemen, on the southern part of the penensula. there, they constructed a ship for the better part of a few years, and then set to sea. they eventually made it to what is generally agreed upon as panama, or perhaps around guatamala, from the provided descriptions. (its funny, as there is an in depth description of the isthmus, and both seas that match panama quite well, but you know, kids in upstate NY in 1820 knew all about panama, so its an obvious forgery) anyhow, the rest of the book chronicles the people that descended from those two families over the next 800-1000 years. the key point in the book, being a visitation by Christ, durring the space after the ressurection. It is stated in the book of John in the New Testament 'other sheep i have, which are not of this fold: them also i must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd' (John 10:16) this is commonly interpreted outside the church (by other christian groups) to be refering to the Gentile nations that christs apostles eventually went to preach to. It must be noted, however, that they gentiles never heard Christs voice, as he never preched to them personally. He did, however, preach personally to the People in the Americas, after his ascention into heaven, as chronicled in Acts Ch.2. Chist appears to the people, preaches much of the same doctorine that he had preached in Judea, and then ascends again into heaven. the Book of Mormon follows these people for another 400 years or so, until they are overrun by other indiginous peoples, and killed.
if any of you are familiar with the early american history, you have certainly heard the story of Hernan Cortez, the man who waltzed into town, and had his way wherever he pleased. This is attributed to the fact that the Aztecs people thought that he was Quetelcotal, or a great white priest that was to return, acording to legend. There are also pockets of Native peoples in Guatamala that are unusually fair skinned, in comparison to the other indiginous peoples there. there are ruins in central america that match cites described in the Book of Mormon, that were not discovered for years after the books publication.
for a more detailed look at this kind of thing check out
http://farms.byu.edu/
anyhow, the Book of Mormon, in my estimation could not be a fraudulent document. its a veritable impossibility, taking into account when it was produced, and by whom.
the real point of the Book, however, is that it teaches of Christ. The Old and New Testaments teach of Christ. That is what Mormons are all about. Jesus Christ. he is the center of it all. without him, there would be no church. We beleive, as many christian denomonations do, that he is our Savior, and sole means of salvation.
so to close breifly, Joseph Smith was killed, along with his brother in 1844 in Illonois. after that, Brigham Young became the succeeding prophet, and president of the church, and led the majority of the church faithfull across the plains to Utah, where they established SLC, this was, no doubt inspired, not becuase of the proximity to good farmland, or anything else, but because God is, undoubtedly a skier, and he knew that the biggest favor he could do for his people was to plant them at the mouth of Little Cottonwood canyon, so that generations in the future would be able to get burried in the greatest snow on earth.
anyways, that is my concises history of Mormonism. if anyone has anymore questions, post them, and i will try and answer them as well as i can.
Mercy's eyes are blue
When she places them in front of you
Nothing holds a roman candle to
The solemn warmth you feel inside
the whole idea behind the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (LDS/Mormons) is that it is a restoration of the chruch that was originaly established among the Isrealites in old testament times. beleive it or not, the bible supports the LDS church as much as anything. the old and new Testaments are every bit as important in the church as is the Book Of Mormon. They teach the same ideas, namely the teachings of Jesus.
after Christ lived and died, the church was left in the hands of the Apostles. (ie peter james john, matthias, etc) the apostles went abroad spreading the message of christianity. eventually they were always traveling, and communitcated with the fledgling church via letters, or epistles, which comprise much of the new testament. in time, every single apostle was martyred. the church became the subject of dipute, and a means of control and gain at the hands of men whos motives were less than christ like. this process was a falling away from the church that Christ set up. in ephesians paul talks about a church whos foundation was upon apostles and prophets, who were privy to inspiration from God. this clearly ended no more than three hundred years after the Death of Christ. practices such as the sale of indulgences and the false doctorine of supererogation began to infiltrate the church, and corrupt it from within. durring the dark ages direct revelation was clearly not in control of the Church. then, in the late upper renaissance, one of the most pivitol events in all of world history occured, namely the protestant reformation. The uninspired ways of the Catholic church led reformers such as Calvin, Wycliffe, and most famously Martin Luther, to cry out against the uninspired practices that were taking place. They could read the scriptures, and see that the existing church lacked inspired leadership. they saw that the lure of money corrupted clergymen. We all know about Luthers little list that he nailed to the door of his church.
as this reformation broke the strangle hold that the Catholics had had on the European people, politics, and everyday life, things began to change. The discovery of the New World, and the subsequent founding of America laid the next stones in the way to a complete restoration of Christs church. Now there was a land where Religious variation was tolerated. If Joseph Smith had live in Europe in the middle ages, no way would there be an LDS church today. America made it possible. In the early 1800's the time was at hand.
Joseph Smith was called as the first prophet of the restoration. Prophets have always had certain jobs to do. Moses had to deliver the Isrealites from Egypt. Noah was to preserve his family thought the flood, Isiah was to preach of Christ. Joseph Smith was to restore the entirety of the Gospel, as it had existed with the children of Isreal in the Siani wilderness, as it had existed with Elijah, Isiah, Christ, and Paul. the ordinances of Baptism and confirmation were reinstated, as well as temple rites that had existed in the time of the Tabernacle in the wilderness. A church structure was put together identicle to the one that Christ himself had set up in the maridian of time, based on 'apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, and teachers' (ephesians 4:11) no other church today even claims to be structured this way. this being the case, there are really only three churches that are worth looking at, as far as Christianity is concerned, if you want a church that has a legitimate claim to the entire truth. you have either the catholics, based on the fact that they have existed in one form or another since the time of Christ, you have the Orthodox Christians, who have also exisited since that time, and you have the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, who claim to be a restoration of that original church that had been taken from the earth for a time. (this was foretold in the new testiment, in 2 thessolnians 2:3 '...for that day shall not come (the second coming of Christ) except there come a falling away first...' Paul foresaw an apostasy from the truth. it happened. its now over. that is the claim of the Mormons.
Now for the Book of Mormon itself. I have already said a little about its technical features.
the book is, as i said, a compilation of writings that starts with a guy named Lehi who lived in jeruselem approx 600 Bc, makeing him a contemporary of the biblical prophet Jeramiah. if youve read the writings of Jerimiah, you know that Jeruselm was in pretty bad shape, morally speaking at the time. Lehi was commanded by God to take his family and flee the city. They left with all their belongings, and with another family, treked through the arabian wilderness for 8 years or so, finally coming to the sea in what would likley be modern day Yemen, on the southern part of the penensula. there, they constructed a ship for the better part of a few years, and then set to sea. they eventually made it to what is generally agreed upon as panama, or perhaps around guatamala, from the provided descriptions. (its funny, as there is an in depth description of the isthmus, and both seas that match panama quite well, but you know, kids in upstate NY in 1820 knew all about panama, so its an obvious forgery) anyhow, the rest of the book chronicles the people that descended from those two families over the next 800-1000 years. the key point in the book, being a visitation by Christ, durring the space after the ressurection. It is stated in the book of John in the New Testament 'other sheep i have, which are not of this fold: them also i must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd' (John 10:16) this is commonly interpreted outside the church (by other christian groups) to be refering to the Gentile nations that christs apostles eventually went to preach to. It must be noted, however, that they gentiles never heard Christs voice, as he never preched to them personally. He did, however, preach personally to the People in the Americas, after his ascention into heaven, as chronicled in Acts Ch.2. Chist appears to the people, preaches much of the same doctorine that he had preached in Judea, and then ascends again into heaven. the Book of Mormon follows these people for another 400 years or so, until they are overrun by other indiginous peoples, and killed.
if any of you are familiar with the early american history, you have certainly heard the story of Hernan Cortez, the man who waltzed into town, and had his way wherever he pleased. This is attributed to the fact that the Aztecs people thought that he was Quetelcotal, or a great white priest that was to return, acording to legend. There are also pockets of Native peoples in Guatamala that are unusually fair skinned, in comparison to the other indiginous peoples there. there are ruins in central america that match cites described in the Book of Mormon, that were not discovered for years after the books publication.
for a more detailed look at this kind of thing check out
http://farms.byu.edu/
anyhow, the Book of Mormon, in my estimation could not be a fraudulent document. its a veritable impossibility, taking into account when it was produced, and by whom.
the real point of the Book, however, is that it teaches of Christ. The Old and New Testaments teach of Christ. That is what Mormons are all about. Jesus Christ. he is the center of it all. without him, there would be no church. We beleive, as many christian denomonations do, that he is our Savior, and sole means of salvation.
so to close breifly, Joseph Smith was killed, along with his brother in 1844 in Illonois. after that, Brigham Young became the succeeding prophet, and president of the church, and led the majority of the church faithfull across the plains to Utah, where they established SLC, this was, no doubt inspired, not becuase of the proximity to good farmland, or anything else, but because God is, undoubtedly a skier, and he knew that the biggest favor he could do for his people was to plant them at the mouth of Little Cottonwood canyon, so that generations in the future would be able to get burried in the greatest snow on earth.
anyways, that is my concises history of Mormonism. if anyone has anymore questions, post them, and i will try and answer them as well as i can.
Mercy's eyes are blue
When she places them in front of you
Nothing holds a roman candle to
The solemn warmth you feel inside
wilkesyachtingco
Active member
i apollogise for typos. i just got home from a few hours of basketball, and im pretty wiped out.
Mercy's eyes are blue
When she places them in front of you
Nothing holds a roman candle to
The solemn warmth you feel inside
Mercy's eyes are blue
When she places them in front of you
Nothing holds a roman candle to
The solemn warmth you feel inside
holy smokes. That was the best, most accurate, and in depth synopsis of the LDS church I have ever seen. I even learned a few things from it and I am mormon. Quality, quality work.
On another note, Im really impressed with the tolerance of most of the people who have responded in this thread. At my old high school, if you started talking about mormons, everyone had a preconcieved notion (most were wrong), but the general consensus was that mormons were evil and they secretly worshipped satan. I guess it just goes to show you that Skiers truly are teh best, most understanding and tolerant people in the world.
As for all the restrictions mormons have, Im not the most sure person in my faith, and often from week to week I waver from believing in God and the LDS church to not knowing what to believe, but I have decided that no matter where I end up with religion, I will always stick to the standards I learned growing up. Its almost impossible to understand the value of keeping your body and soul clean without experiencing it. Because I dont waste time and money on alcohol or drugs, I think more clearly and am able to live so much closer to a self actualized (I dont think I used that term correctly, I hope you understand what Im trying to get at) life than my friends who drink smoke, and have sex. Im always moving forward im my life, and if im not, then I know it and I can own up to it. Theres no time for me to just 'forget' or 'get lost in the moment' like people do when they party. I keep my mind clear, and because of that I can always remember who I am, and who I want to be, and own up to it if im not that person.
Anyway, I hope I dont come off sounding self righteous, I dont want to, Im not the best person in the world, but I at least always know where I stand in my own mind.
On another note, Im really impressed with the tolerance of most of the people who have responded in this thread. At my old high school, if you started talking about mormons, everyone had a preconcieved notion (most were wrong), but the general consensus was that mormons were evil and they secretly worshipped satan. I guess it just goes to show you that Skiers truly are teh best, most understanding and tolerant people in the world.
As for all the restrictions mormons have, Im not the most sure person in my faith, and often from week to week I waver from believing in God and the LDS church to not knowing what to believe, but I have decided that no matter where I end up with religion, I will always stick to the standards I learned growing up. Its almost impossible to understand the value of keeping your body and soul clean without experiencing it. Because I dont waste time and money on alcohol or drugs, I think more clearly and am able to live so much closer to a self actualized (I dont think I used that term correctly, I hope you understand what Im trying to get at) life than my friends who drink smoke, and have sex. Im always moving forward im my life, and if im not, then I know it and I can own up to it. Theres no time for me to just 'forget' or 'get lost in the moment' like people do when they party. I keep my mind clear, and because of that I can always remember who I am, and who I want to be, and own up to it if im not that person.
Anyway, I hope I dont come off sounding self righteous, I dont want to, Im not the best person in the world, but I at least always know where I stand in my own mind.
nothanks
Active member
jehova witnesses are sweeter, there crazy, and think like there are onle 13999 places in heaven, and if u not saint on earth, u sit in unconcusiones while the other 13999 people love heaven, then god comes back 2 earth and takes the knockd out people back to heaven with him
GO SOX
REALLY REALLY RIDICLIOUSlY gOOD LOOKING
GO SOX
REALLY REALLY RIDICLIOUSlY gOOD LOOKING
Astomp
Active member
now that mormons have been explained ...anewnorning that was fricking awesome. where are the Jdubs? jehovah witnesses i would like to konow about them.
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There is a man, A certain man, And for the poll you may be sure that hell do all he can, who is this one whos favorite sign just by his action has attraction magnets on the run, who likes to smoke, enjoys a joke and wouldnt get a bit upset if he were really broke with wealth and fame hes still the same i bet you five if not alive that you dont know his name.
**NWFT**
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There is a man, A certain man, And for the poll you may be sure that hell do all he can, who is this one whos favorite sign just by his action has attraction magnets on the run, who likes to smoke, enjoys a joke and wouldnt get a bit upset if he were really broke with wealth and fame hes still the same i bet you five if not alive that you dont know his name.
**NWFT**
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Craigskis
Active member
I can't wait to bear my testiomy in Ottawa,
i'll probley get kicked out of the church,
i believe in God, jesus, and the holy ghost,
anyways, I just found out my cousin is in las vagas on a mission,
and i talked to my cousin this morning about getting some Bling, for the movie idea,
don't fuck with me, i have 47 cousins or something CRAZY like that...
Peace-
live by the N.E.R.D
i'll probley get kicked out of the church,
i believe in God, jesus, and the holy ghost,
anyways, I just found out my cousin is in las vagas on a mission,
and i talked to my cousin this morning about getting some Bling, for the movie idea,
don't fuck with me, i have 47 cousins or something CRAZY like that...
Peace-
live by the N.E.R.D
wilkesyachtingco
Active member
im glad that you guys found it informitive.
Mercy's eyes are blue
When she places them in front of you
Nothing holds a roman candle to
The solemn warmth you feel inside
Mercy's eyes are blue
When she places them in front of you
Nothing holds a roman candle to
The solemn warmth you feel inside
fizzlefry
Active member
yeah that poligamy stopped a long time ago. the rules are strict thats true, but if they believe it why should anyone else care? but mormons do have a lot of kids. its true. but jusdt because you are mormon dosent mean you have to abide by the rules, you just have to tell the bishop you do.
Snubluck
Active member
okay, this is just my opinion, and i know it's stereotypical and I know a lot of it is not true but the typical mormon in my school is a extremely preppy, extrememly immature, and easily offended by some of the stupidest things. But this is not all true, some of them are just normal people, and some of them just take it way TOO far. No caffeine, no coffee, no swearing, no dating until you're 16, some of it is just ridiculous. I think the religion is a bunch of BS but that's just me, i have strong opinion against there beliefs, but not their people. I have lived around them since i was born so I know what i'm talking about.
-at least you went down naked-
no i figured it out when he over shot the bowl and shit on the back of the toilet. then he signed my beanie.-Hoodratz47 in response to being in the same public bathroom with mike wilson
-at least you went down naked-
no i figured it out when he over shot the bowl and shit on the back of the toilet. then he signed my beanie.-Hoodratz47 in response to being in the same public bathroom with mike wilson
SCSkiAndSurf
Member
I have a Christian friend who was being bothered by a demon possessed guy, and my friend asked him why he didnt go bother the mormons who were near them, and the demon possessed guy told my friend that the mormons worship the same master that the demons worship, so mormons are really satanic 
They need help. I dont mean to offend, just telling a true story.
They need help. I dont mean to offend, just telling a true story.
BachelorIsWEEDbitch
Member
all mormons i know are really gay
no
no
wilkesyachtingco
Active member
did any of you read what i wrote? i thought that would end this kind of rediculous discussion. and the salt lake city mission is one of the most successfull missions in the church.
Mercy's eyes are blue
When she places them in front of you
Nothing holds a roman candle to
The solemn warmth you feel inside
Mercy's eyes are blue
When she places them in front of you
Nothing holds a roman candle to
The solemn warmth you feel inside
Baker
Active member
Astomp, most of the differences you named about the south park issue were quite trivial. It was funnier that way. But the concept as the religion forming as a whole was accurate. Don't get me wrong, most of the mormons i now are awesome people, but it doesn't make me agree that their religion is true. There was plenty of sketchy circumstances around the formation of the church. Ancient civilizations? Come on. And the doctrinal changes in the begining seem a little convenient. Don't you think there's something a little suspect about the top leaders being able to communicate with god so that they can change the shit around and just say god told them to. Im not saying that most mormons are bad people or are dumb because they believe a lie. Most mormons don't know the background. You can comment back with whatever you want(how what i said was bullshit), and you are completely intitled to, but its not gonna convince me that mormonism isn't false. P.S. im not an aethiast
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I ain't the type of brotha made for you to start tessin', give me a smith and wesson and i'll have niggas undressin' -nas
'maybe we should stick to anal sex and fighting preggos heh?'-ellerman
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- Josh Rainey
- Jackson Hole
I ain't the type of brotha made for you to start tessin', give me a smith and wesson and i'll have niggas undressin' -nas
'maybe we should stick to anal sex and fighting preggos heh?'-ellerman
Astomp
Active member
i was just trying to clear up things that people thought. like the skin color thing. im not trying to say mormons are right. but it pisses me off that people care so much about it that arent mormon. its jsut how i live. im not hard core its made me a good person.
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There is a man, A certain man, And for the poll you may be sure that hell do all he can, who is this one whos favorite sign just by his action has attraction magnets on the run, who likes to smoke, enjoys a joke and wouldnt get a bit upset if he were really broke with wealth and fame hes still the same i bet you five if not alive that you dont know his name.
**NWFT**
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There is a man, A certain man, And for the poll you may be sure that hell do all he can, who is this one whos favorite sign just by his action has attraction magnets on the run, who likes to smoke, enjoys a joke and wouldnt get a bit upset if he were really broke with wealth and fame hes still the same i bet you five if not alive that you dont know his name.
**NWFT**
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.scott.
Active member
^ umm, your reasons for dismissing the possibility that everything that anewmorning wrote is true are weak. he provided a very in depth, biblically accurate, account and you shrug it off because talk of 'ancient civilivations' make you, for some reason, just think 'come on,' and with that you are somehow sure beyond a shadow of a doubt that the lds church is false. you don't even have any real reasoning behind your assertion. please give us evidence of these so called 'conveinient doctrinal changes,' because you have provided none. you speak as though you are a religious person, as you imply with the last line, but are unwilling to even consider having the slightest bit of faith to fill the very little doubt that is left after considering the truths that have just been placed before you. have you even read the bible? considering that you have even a limited backround in biblical knowledge, why is it so out of the question to believe that revelation which was so prevalent with the prophets of ancient times, as recorded in both the old and new testaments, could exist in these latter days. anewmorning explained that the lds church is a restoration of the the church founded by christ buring his ministery, with identical organization in terms of its leadership. the key to god's church has always been and is now that the prophets recieve divine guidance through communication and revelation from god and can lead those who are righteous according to his will.
it seems to me as though you are unable to let go of the preconceived notions imbedded within your mindset to see the truth in the information placed before you. if you can just honestly investigate with an open mind, you will be surprised at what you will come to learn. you say you are a man of god, to some degree, so why don't you pray about it. ask god what is right, with an open mind, and see what you are impressed to search out and what action to take. i'm not telling you how to decide, i'm just saying you should really give it a chance, and put whatever faith you have in god to show you what is true.
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No one on their death bed ever said, 'I wish I'd played it safe' -blind_five
it seems to me as though you are unable to let go of the preconceived notions imbedded within your mindset to see the truth in the information placed before you. if you can just honestly investigate with an open mind, you will be surprised at what you will come to learn. you say you are a man of god, to some degree, so why don't you pray about it. ask god what is right, with an open mind, and see what you are impressed to search out and what action to take. i'm not telling you how to decide, i'm just saying you should really give it a chance, and put whatever faith you have in god to show you what is true.
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No one on their death bed ever said, 'I wish I'd played it safe' -blind_five
wilkesyachtingco
Active member
do you want the secular or the religious answer to that question? actually, you could go with what Jesus said:
by their fruits ye may know them'
that is to say, if good things come from doing a certain action, or living a certain way, its probably not of the devil, and vice versa.
and for the folks referencing krackauers book 'under the banner of heaven', you must acknowledge that that book is dealing with radical people who arent Mormons, rather a breakaway group, whos main similarity is the name of their group... its not the same thing as the church at large.
Mercy's eyes are blue
When she places them in front of you
Nothing holds a roman candle to
The solemn warmth you feel inside
by their fruits ye may know them'
that is to say, if good things come from doing a certain action, or living a certain way, its probably not of the devil, and vice versa.
and for the folks referencing krackauers book 'under the banner of heaven', you must acknowledge that that book is dealing with radical people who arent Mormons, rather a breakaway group, whos main similarity is the name of their group... its not the same thing as the church at large.
Mercy's eyes are blue
When she places them in front of you
Nothing holds a roman candle to
The solemn warmth you feel inside
Astomp
Active member
you dont think that if there is a god that he wouldnt have the power to manifest the truth to you?
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There is a man, A certain man, And for the poll you may be sure that hell do all he can, who is this one whos favorite sign just by his action has attraction magnets on the run, who likes to smoke, enjoys a joke and wouldnt get a bit upset if he were really broke with wealth and fame hes still the same i bet you five if not alive that you dont know his name.
**NWFT**
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There is a man, A certain man, And for the poll you may be sure that hell do all he can, who is this one whos favorite sign just by his action has attraction magnets on the run, who likes to smoke, enjoys a joke and wouldnt get a bit upset if he were really broke with wealth and fame hes still the same i bet you five if not alive that you dont know his name.
**NWFT**
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Astomp
Active member
but theres a feeling of good and evil to me. Something just feel incredibly wrong and some just feel awesome. the spirit/ holy ghost is that feeling.
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There is a man, A certain man, And for the poll you may be sure that hell do all he can, who is this one whos favorite sign just by his action has attraction magnets on the run, who likes to smoke, enjoys a joke and wouldnt get a bit upset if he were really broke with wealth and fame hes still the same i bet you five if not alive that you dont know his name.
**NWFT**
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There is a man, A certain man, And for the poll you may be sure that hell do all he can, who is this one whos favorite sign just by his action has attraction magnets on the run, who likes to smoke, enjoys a joke and wouldnt get a bit upset if he were really broke with wealth and fame hes still the same i bet you five if not alive that you dont know his name.
**NWFT**
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Astomp
Active member
ha ya dig?^
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There is a man, A certain man, And for the poll you may be sure that hell do all he can, who is this one whos favorite sign just by his action has attraction magnets on the run, who likes to smoke, enjoys a joke and wouldnt get a bit upset if he were really broke with wealth and fame hes still the same i bet you five if not alive that you dont know his name.
**NWFT**
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There is a man, A certain man, And for the poll you may be sure that hell do all he can, who is this one whos favorite sign just by his action has attraction magnets on the run, who likes to smoke, enjoys a joke and wouldnt get a bit upset if he were really broke with wealth and fame hes still the same i bet you five if not alive that you dont know his name.
**NWFT**
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I supouse that it could be argued either way. A supernatural being, could in theory have the ability to come across as either good or evil. Like smoking weed, feels really good, but acording to bible/ book of mormon its not. For that matter, its only the 12 leaders and head that are supoused to be able to experience visons from the lord. But what about some of the fundamentalists. Just because they are not part of the leadership, and are following the D&C litteraly does that discredit them?
One life. One world. Live, or die trying.
One life. One world. Live, or die trying.
Astomp
Active member
there are things called self revelations. if thats what you mean. the 12. or first presidency recieve revelations from god which goes to everybody. but personal revalations should not be shared with other people. there personal for just you.
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There is a man, A certain man, And for the poll you may be sure that hell do all he can, who is this one whos favorite sign just by his action has attraction magnets on the run, who likes to smoke, enjoys a joke and wouldnt get a bit upset if he were really broke with wealth and fame hes still the same i bet you five if not alive that you dont know his name.
**NWFT**
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There is a man, A certain man, And for the poll you may be sure that hell do all he can, who is this one whos favorite sign just by his action has attraction magnets on the run, who likes to smoke, enjoys a joke and wouldnt get a bit upset if he were really broke with wealth and fame hes still the same i bet you five if not alive that you dont know his name.
**NWFT**
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Seeing as im not a mormon...enlighten me.... can a person who is not in a leadership position, recieve a revalation that they believe is for everyone ex. 'prophet' onias; or are the revelations supousedly only for the couple members that move/ work their way up to the top couple positions. It would seem that god would use the best people as opposed to just the ones in a position of authority.
One life. One world. Live, or die trying.
One life. One world. Live, or die trying.
.scott.
Active member
people only have authority to recieve revelation pertaining to whoever they preside over. examples: the prophet presides over the entire church, an individual over themselves, parent over their family, bishop over the congregation, etc.
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No one on their death bed ever said, 'I wish I'd played it safe' -blind_five
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No one on their death bed ever said, 'I wish I'd played it safe' -blind_five
Astomp
Active member
well the positions of high authority arent just like your rich so your high authority. They are called by God so they would be the best person to recieve the revelations.
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There is a man, A certain man, And for the poll you may be sure that hell do all he can, who is this one whos favorite sign just by his action has attraction magnets on the run, who likes to smoke, enjoys a joke and wouldnt get a bit upset if he were really broke with wealth and fame hes still the same i bet you five if not alive that you dont know his name.
**NWFT**
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There is a man, A certain man, And for the poll you may be sure that hell do all he can, who is this one whos favorite sign just by his action has attraction magnets on the run, who likes to smoke, enjoys a joke and wouldnt get a bit upset if he were really broke with wealth and fame hes still the same i bet you five if not alive that you dont know his name.
**NWFT**
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I supouse that know one would ever know if the church was going by the way side, falling off course, because the church officials would still remain convinced they were right, and any one person with their own story/truth about life would be labbled as a fanatic/persecuted. In the same way joseph smith was. After all the regular church was convinced they were right, and joseph smith was just seen as an upstart.
One life. One world. Live, or die trying.
One life. One world. Live, or die trying.
Astomp
Active member
since i believe in my church i dont believe it would have the chance to go off course. I mean by be led away by some cook of a prophet. i have common sense too.
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There is a man, A certain man, And for the poll you may be sure that hell do all he can, who is this one whos favorite sign just by his action has attraction magnets on the run, who likes to smoke, enjoys a joke and wouldnt get a bit upset if he were really broke with wealth and fame hes still the same i bet you five if not alive that you dont know his name.
**NWFT**
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There is a man, A certain man, And for the poll you may be sure that hell do all he can, who is this one whos favorite sign just by his action has attraction magnets on the run, who likes to smoke, enjoys a joke and wouldnt get a bit upset if he were really broke with wealth and fame hes still the same i bet you five if not alive that you dont know his name.
**NWFT**
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.scott.
Active member
religion is referred to as someone's faith for a reason. i have faith in the church, because it is headed by god. the prophet acts in a way like God's spokesperson on earth, so the control of the church, is in God's hands.
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No one on their death bed ever said, 'I wish I'd played it safe' -blind_five
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No one on their death bed ever said, 'I wish I'd played it safe' -blind_five
.scott.
Active member
that faith is your part of the deal. you can learn what is right, and be led the lord to know what to do, but you have to have the faith to do it and convert that knowledge into action.
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No one on their death bed ever said, 'I wish I'd played it safe' -blind_five
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No one on their death bed ever said, 'I wish I'd played it safe' -blind_five
123ski
Active member
yeah..ask me anything about the church..Im Mormon Too..also..someone asked what we believe in..these are our basic Beliefs
1.We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
2.We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression.
3.We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.
4.We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
5.We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.
6.We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.
7.We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.
8.We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
9.We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.
10.We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.
11.We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.
12.We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
13.We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.
-Joseph Smith
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1.We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
2.We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression.
3.We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.
4.We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
5.We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.
6.We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.
7.We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.
8.We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
9.We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.
10.We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.
11.We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.
12.We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
13.We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.
-Joseph Smith
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