What a shitty time for the US of A

[scratchproteen]

All of the candidates suck.

I dislike the republican candidates....and I hate democrats.

No point in voting independent because they stand no chance every year.

So I'll skip the vote this year and drink a beer.

 

[Funkadelic]

Apparently you know nothing either. You just found a comfy spot on the bandwagon and fell asleep. Everything you said is either false, politics as usual, or frankly a pretty smart decision.

OK then please enlighten us oh wise one. What did I say that is false?

I for one don't want our future president's foreign affairs advisor to be the man that got us into a war under false pretense that destroyed our economy, destabilized a nation, and allowed for the rise of ISIS. I think the intention of making W an advisor alone makes someone not worth voting for. Jeb says he wants to distance himself from the Bush name and then he goes and does that?

 

[byubound]

Relevant:
http://www.theonion.com/graphic/candidate-profile-donald-trump-50675

 

[californiagrown]

OK then please enlighten us oh wise one. What did I say that is false?

I for one don't want our future president's foreign affairs advisor to be the man that got us into a war under false pretense that destroyed our economy, destabilized a nation, and allowed for the rise of ISIS. I think the intention of making W an advisor alone makes someone not worth voting for. Jeb says he wants to distance himself from the Bush name and then he goes and does that?

You don't think having a 2 term president as an advisor is a good thing? You don't think he might know a thing or two about foreign affairs that someone not reffered to ad the POTUS would know? You don't think he's learned from mistakes?

Keep hating a name because its cool. Ignore reality, logic, and rational thought. Keep on spewing willful ignorance.

 

[Funkadelic]

You don't think having a 2 term president as an advisor is a good thing? You don't think he might know a thing or two about foreign affairs that someone not reffered to ad the POTUS would know? You don't think he's learned from mistakes?

Keep hating a name because its cool. Ignore reality, logic, and rational thought. Keep on spewing willful ignorance.

A two term president that lost the popular vote the first time around and then faced John Kerry the second? You accuse me of hating a name, but have you ever stopped to think that he was ever successful in the first place because of his name.

The majority of this country are completely oblivious to politics. They hear Bush or Clinton and say hey I recognize that name. I'll just vote for them over this other guy I've never heard of.

Being a two term president doesn't mean he didn't fuck up big time during his presidency. A big reason he won the second term is because we were already involved in Iraq and people thought love it or hate it let's try to let this guy see this thing through.

 

[californiagrown]

A two term president that lost the popular vote the first time around and then faced John Kerry the second? You accuse me of hating a name, but have you ever stopped to think that he was ever successful in the first place because of his name.

The majority of this country are completely oblivious to politics. They hear Bush or Clinton and say hey I recognize that name. I'll just vote for them over this other guy I've never heard of.

Being a two term president doesn't mean he didn't fuck up big time during his presidency. A big reason he won the second term is because we were already involved in Iraq and people thought love it or hate it let's try to let this guy see this thing through.

You see no value in a new president having a 2 term president as an advisor? You dense? Haha

That's one of your biggest issues with jeb? Really?

 

[-benedetto]

You see no value in a new president having a 2 term president as an advisor? You dense? Haha

That's one of your biggest issues with jeb? Really?

So besides his name, what else does he offer? Or are you calling him out for the sake of it?

Something needs to change. And getting a familiar name in there isn't going to do it. Actually, putting anyone in there isn't going to do it. We're fucked. But its all good unless you let it bother you.

 

[californiagrown]

So besides his name, what else does he offer? Or are you calling him out for the sake of it?

Something needs to change. And getting a familiar name in there isn't going to do it. Actually, putting anyone in there isn't going to do it. We're fucked. But its all good unless you let it bother you.

Idk, but I'm open to what has to say. To dismiss a candidate based upon their name or there family history is, frankly, in American.

 

[louie.mirags]

Idk, but I'm open to what has to say. To dismiss a candidate based upon their name or there family history is, frankly, in American.

who cares what he has to say? Obama preached "change" and healthcare. All we got was the Freedom Act and now you're forced to pay for insurance or you'll get fined..

they run for the corporations...

 

[BenWhit]

I mean at least Trump knows how to deal with money and create jobs?

glorified slum-lord, not mention that four of his business have filed for chapter 111 bankruptcy protection.

 

[gotti]

fiscally you would have to be an idiot to vote democratic, they represent the worst fiscal plan ever. Here's my stance. Either conservative or socialist will work but not the democratic in between, what the fuck am i actually doing with all this tax money shit. Either have low taxes and little govt spending or high govt spending that pays for basic necessities. Give the people their money to do with as they please or have succesful universal programs. One or the other. Democrats just spend partially i.e. obamacare which wastes more money with misaliggned incentives and spends to much on personal interest groups.

 

[gotti]

glorified slum-lord, not mention that four of his business have filed for chapter 111 bankruptcy protection.

you have to lose some to win some

 

[.frenchy]

glorified slum-lord, not mention that four of his business have filed for chapter 111 bankruptcy protection.

but he is still worth over 8 billion. Look, i'm not hoping he becomes president, but I will vote him over Hilary any day.

 

[californiagrown]

who cares what he has to say? Obama preached "change" and healthcare. All we got was the Freedom Act and now you're forced to pay for insurance or you'll get fined..

they run for the corporations...

Yeah the healthcare thing was a success. There are millions who now have access to healthcare. Some who don't want it have to pay. Tough shit. Help your fellow man. Do something nice for the sake of being nice.

 

[Bensun]

Corporate interest has and will always been apart of American politics. That is just how the game is played.

"The conservative billionaire brothers Charles and David Koch of Koch Industries and their political network of donors and opaque outside groups are planning to spend a stratospheric $889 million in the 2016 presidential and congressional elections."

also In the presidential election, 11 votes were cast for Mickey Mouse nationwide, meaning he beat out Joe the Plumber, Jesus Christ, and Santa Claus. Mickey Mouse is a surprisingly popular write-in candidate abroad too.Nov 5, 2013.

I really hate talking politics but I am sick as fuck and bored out of my mind.

 

[Bensun]

if u are voting in general u should watch this even if you dont find it funny.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/13/jon-stewart-jeb-bush-dogs_n_7271870.html

 

[BenWhit]

you have to lose some to win some

I can't argue with that.

but he is still worth over 8 billion. Look, i'm not hoping he becomes president, but I will vote him over Hilary any day.

Honestly, with this cast of jabronies, I don't know if I'll even cast a ballot.

Side note. How much do you thing Hillary and Bill genuinely despise each other? I can't imagine Hillary is even remotely fun to be married to, seems like such a wet blanket.

 

[theabortionator]

It was all bullshit

It was a godamn joke

And when I think of you______ (insert name of someone running, or penis)

I hope you fucking choke

- Adam Sandler

Idk, we just bounce back between parties these days. It gives us the illusion that the "sides" are really different. It switches enough that you can blame everything on the other guys. The dems say everything was the reps fault, the reps say it was all the dems fault. In the end they both suck balls but people will continue voting for them.

Then the lesser of two evils deal. Instead of voting for somebody you don't like because they're marginally better than another candidate,vote for somebody you do like or don't vote. Voting for somebody shitty is fucking stupid. Lesser than evil means you're only going to go downhill. Fuck that noise.

I seriously want to elect a half eaten slice of pizza, or the lonely garbage can in the ditch across from my house.

 

[dbchili]

Canada be like

 

[Huck_Norris]

but he is still worth over 8 billion. Look, i'm not hoping he becomes president, but I will vote him over Hilary any day.

I just think it's hilarious that the only reason he isn't living in destitution atm is because he was bailed out by the Feds when he went bankrupt and was given special repayment terms- but now he is anti-govt all of a sudden. Doesn't make any sense.

Just seems like bullshit to me, if it wasn't for the govt he'd be on a Tampa median selling oranges. Trump is a fucking embarrassment.

 

[louie.mirags]

Yeah the healthcare thing was a success. There are millions who now have access to healthcare. Some who don't want it have to pay. Tough shit. Help your fellow man. Do something nice for the sake of being nice.

you're kidding, right?

They just made it so people are forced to pay for healthcare. That money is not coming out of nowhere. It was a ploy to make insurance companies and medical companies more money. I do know of people who didn't want healthcare and are now forced to pay out of pocket. Also people who lost their job because their job couldn't afford to pay their healthcare so they were lowered to less than 30 hours a week. So now they have two 29 hour week jobs and no benefits. Also, people get "insured" but then their coverage barely covers anything and they still need to pay hundreds or thousands out of pocket and still pay hundreds a month.

And for the record I do plenty of nice things for people. Way more than the average person. But, to believe obamacare is just giving healthcare to people who didn't previously have it is crazy. It is more you and me paying for people with no benefits to get healthcare and fuck that. The system is so goddamn corrupt. When a getting a band aid cost $10 in a hospital I am not going to believe their bullshit.

 

[louie.mirags]

Idk, but I'm open to what has to say. To dismiss a candidate based upon their name or there family history is, frankly, in American.

Yeah the healthcare thing was a success. There are millions who now have access to healthcare. Some who don't want it have to pay. Tough shit. Help your fellow man. Do something nice for the sake of being nice.

In case you haven't met anybody with woes about the new system or haven't dealt with it yet just read this article. It is great because it mentions the good and the bad
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/08/s...n-region&WT.nav=c-column-top-span-region&_r=0

 

[californiagrown]

you're kidding, right?

They just made it so people are forced to pay for healthcare. That money is not coming out of nowhere. It was a ploy to make insurance companies and medical companies more money. I do know of people who didn't want healthcare and are now forced to pay out of pocket. Also people who lost their job because their job couldn't afford to pay their healthcare so they were lowered to less than 30 hours a week. So now they have two 29 hour week jobs and no benefits. Also, people get "insured" but then their coverage barely covers anything and they still need to pay hundreds or thousands out of pocket and still pay hundreds a month.

And for the record I do plenty of nice things for people. Way more than the average person. But, to believe obamacare is just giving healthcare to people who didn't previously have it is crazy. It is more you and me paying for people with no benefits to get healthcare and fuck that. The system is so goddamn corrupt. When a getting a band aid cost $10 in a hospital I am not going to believe their bullshit.

You're right. "It is more you and me paying for people with no benefits to get healthcare".

What are these nice things do you do for people that outweigh helping them afford healthcare? Lol.

Is the system perfect? Hell no. Is it a giant leap in the right direction? Hell yes.

 

[louie.mirags]

You're right. "It is more you and me paying for people with no benefits to get healthcare".

What are these nice things do you do for people that outweigh helping them afford healthcare? Lol.

Is the system perfect? Hell no. Is it a giant leap in the right direction? Hell yes.

I'm not going to list all of the nice things I do for people, if you knew me in person you would just know I am a kind person. But, this whole obamacare is a scheme to make the people on the inside more money. I have heard way more stories about people losing coverage or paying more out of pocket than stories of people who had no coverage and this is a godsend. And I have heard from both sides so there are success stories out there. But, the whole, "healthcare for everyone" should be titled, "now you are forced to pay for healthcare"...

and giant leap is a stretch. Medical care is only going to get more and more expensive. If it was all private and no government involvement the prices would have to even out for people to afford it.

 

[californiagrown]

I'm not going to list all of the nice things I do for people, if you knew me in person you would just know I am a kind person. But, this whole obamacare is a scheme to make the people on the inside more money. I have heard way more stories about people losing coverage or paying more out of pocket than stories of people who had no coverage and this is a godsend. And I have heard from both sides so there are success stories out there. But, the whole, "healthcare for everyone" should be titled, "now you are forced to pay for healthcare"...

and giant leap is a stretch. Medical care is only going to get more and more expensive. If it was all private and no government involvement the prices would have to even out for people to afford it.

I was kinda making fun of your comment " I do nice things" BTW.

I have the exact opposite anecdotal experiences than you on the subject, not to mention universal healthcare, to an extent, makes more sense to me than privatized.

Major surgery will always be super duper expensive. Either the patient pays or insurance pays.

I'd rather force everyone to have a safety net( social security anyone?) Than have to pay for the people who gambled and lost big. And by big I mean all the fat fucks with diabetes and heart issues. Fuck them. Fuck fat people.

Fat people are ruining America, not obamacare.

 

[JohnLocke]

Corporate interest has and will always been apart of American politics. That is just how the game is played.

"The conservative billionaire brothers Charles and David Koch of Koch Industries and their political network of donors and opaque outside groups are planning to spend a stratospheric $889 million in the 2016 presidential and congressional elections."

This right here is perhaps one of the most discouraging aspects of modern American politics. Ever since the supreme court allowed unregulated campaign donations, I have noticed that the U.S seems to be drawing closer and closer to having semi-rigged elections. Because of this decision, made at the highest level of law, and litigated over for a long time, corruption will very likely erupt across all branches of government. If you dig hard enough, you will find that almost every major conservative running for a seat in the Federal government has been, in one way or another, funded by the Koch brothers. I think we should all be a little scared of the power that Koch Industries now wields.

 

[daOyster]

You're right. "It is more you and me paying for people with no benefits to get healthcare".

What are these nice things do you do for people that outweigh helping them afford healthcare? Lol.

Is the system perfect? Hell no. Is it a giant leap in the right direction? Hell yes.

It's a step in the wrong direction. We should be pushing for lower costs, not more insurance. We just keep making the insurance companies used to more money. Healthcare does not cost as much as you think and is as expensive as it is because we keep pushing for more insurance to make it cheaper when it only makes it more expensive in the long run. Yes it did do some good things and added coverage to a lot of previously uneligible people. It's good for our current system, but really we need to overhaul the whole system itself.

 

[californiagrown]

It's a step in the wrong direction. We should be pushing for lower costs, not more insurance. We just keep making the insurance companies used to more money. Healthcare does not cost as much as you think and is as expensive as it is because we keep pushing for more insurance to make it cheaper when it only makes it more expensive in the long run. Yes it did do some good things and added coverage to a lot of previously uneligible people. It's good for our current system, but really we need to overhaul the whole system itself.

Yeah, ignoring the realities of politics and America is a great way to deal with an issue haha. Get real man... And I mean that both literally and figuratively.

 

[lurking]

Where is the legislative reset button when you need it?

 

[SFB]

vote 4 rand paul

I stand with rand

 

[purplepants420]

waka flocka for pres

fuck yeah

 

[Turd.Ferguson]

Honestly I'm so incredibly glad most of their candidates are batshit fucking insane. They will destroy each other in the primaries, and then when one of them gets to face off with my man Bernie they will look like a toddler at an audit. Once they get past the stupid issues like gay rights and immigrants etc., they literally have nothing else to run on. Not. One. Thing.

The truth is that none of them have anything of substance to bring to the table. All they have is hateful, divisive issues to run on and mind-blowingly irresponsible fiscal policies- once they have no place to run they will fry in the light and that's the truth. The south has retard strength for sure when it comes to the ability to ignore plain facts, but once it's open forum I don't see a single candidate that can stand up to Bernie. Not Hillary, Not Rubio, not Bush, not anybody. People are sick of the fake bullshit, the hidden agendas and the immense power special interest has in Washington now and once the people stuck to the right simply because they've been led to believe things that are not true, I think people will come around.

I can't think of any good reason to vote for any Republican candidate to be honest- Basically if you're planning on voting Republican, you either a). have no idea what you're talking about and simply hate gays and blacks enough to look past everything else, or b). are stupid enough to vote against every single interest you have. Their fiscal policy is a disaster. Their science, educational and environmental policies are a very bad joke. Their social policies are completely unconstitutional and their international policies border on megalomaniacal. If you're planning on voting Republican, I'd honestly love to know why. Please tell me what they are planning on doing that you like the sounds of, I'm dying to hear something positive that perhaps I've missed due to the tears of laughter.

trust me, understand how dumb and ignorant republicans can be, with their standings on global warming, gay marriage, to name a few.

I also understand how dumb democrats are fiscally. their fiscal plan is that of robin hood. take people who make real money, tax the fuck out of them, then give it to people who don't have money. i find it disappointing to see the amount of people who survive on unemployment checks and refuse to find jobs. jobs are out there no doubt and if you don't have a passion to be able to provide for yourself and your family, why should you get a fucking penny from the govt.?

a comedian Lewis Black said it best "" Basically, the last eight years, I feel, the Republicans stood around farting; and the Democrats went "Ooh, let me smell it.""

He had a better quote but i couldnt think of it at the moment. Either way i don't think it will have a drastic effect on who wins because both parties are just a bunch of baboons picking their assholes and seeing who can find the biggest piece of shit. its fucking crazy how ineffective the two party system is in getting quality candidates.

 

[Brule.]

I rand with stand

 

[Charlie_Kelly]

You don't think having a 2 term president as an advisor is a good thing? You don't think he might know a thing or two about foreign affairs that someone not reffered to ad the POTUS would know? You don't think he's learned from mistakes?

Keep hating a name because its cool. Ignore reality, logic, and rational thought. Keep on spewing willful ignorance.

A two term president that helped put us in one of the worst economic recessions since the great depression and lied about weapons of mass destruction to get us into Iraq? No thanks. Fuck the entire Bush family as far as I'm considered. And fuck the Clintons too, they are sketchy ass motherfuckers who seem to make the majority of their money through very questionable and "off the record" organizations. Honestly I think I'm gonna vote for Sanders. Or that female Republican whose running though embarrassingly enough I forgot her name.

 

[Charlie_Kelly]

I also understand how dumb democrats are fiscally. their fiscal plan is that of robin hood. take people who make real money, tax the fuck out of them, then give it to people who don't have money. i find it disappointing to see the amount of people who survive on unemployment checks and refuse to find jobs. jobs are out there no doubt and if you don't have a passion to be able to provide for yourself and your family, why should you get a fucking penny from the govt.?

I think you'd be surprised about how many "successful" Americans inherited their wealth. Wealth inequality is growing at a staggering rate in America. And the fact is some of the most hard working Americans make the least amount of money, while people who inherited a large portion of their fortune (Donald Trump I'm looking at you) act as if not only they made it themselves through hard work but also ignorantly act as if any American can achieve the same wealth.

Do you honestly think people who make 50k a year should be taxed as much as people who make 50mil a year? Taxing is relative. And the FACT is we are destroying and demoralizing the middle class that drives the economy. Tax breaks for the wealthy is an insane ideology.

Democrats aren't being dumb, they are trying to more evenly balance out the wealth distribution in America.

Meanwhile conservatives continue to think global warming is a myth, that we should sacrifice more American lives in the middle east fighting for a cause the majority of the American people don't believe in, that a women shouldn't have the right to do what they want with their own body, and that two people of the same sex shouldn't essentially be allowed to be happy, among other things.

I classify myself as a libertarian that is obviously liberal leaning. I see most of the developed world as more progressive than conservative and realize how successful most of these progressive countries are, whether is be culturally, economically, or socially. Maybe Ill change when I get older but if conservatives continue to hold the same beliefs by then I doubt it...

 

[DanielPlainview]

Ronald Reagan was an actor before he was president, and he was one of the best. How badly do you want to be American? Every thread about the USA you always have to post in lol[/QUOTE

Ya well Ronald Reagan didn't have a fucking twitter. Frenchy, have you noticed how every time the republican party gets brought up you have to give your two cents? Rand Paul 2016, pce

 

[DanielPlainview]

Ronald Reagan was an actor before he was president, and he was one of the best. How badly do you want to be American? Every thread about the USA you always have to post in lol

ya well Ronald Reagan didn't have a fucking twitter. Frenchy, have you noticed how every time the republican party is brought up you have to give your two cents? Rand Paul 2016, pce

 

[louie.mirags]

I'd rather force everyone to have a safety net( social security anyone?) Than have to pay for the people who gambled and lost big. And by big I mean all the fat fucks with diabetes and heart issues. Fuck them. Fuck fat people.

Fat people are ruining America, not obamacare.

who do you think all your healthcare money goes to? To single mothers having babies? I would bet the majority goes to the fat fucks you don't like and the thousands with lung cancer and other cancers caused by abusing your body. It seems you're blinded by how you think it should ideally be.. and it is not that way. If you think bandaids costing $10 bucks or ibuprofen costing $20 a pill in the hospital is a step in the right direction then I don't think we're looking at the same facts. If it went private ibuprofen could not cost that because nobody would pay it. You would pay it to the other hospital charging $10. Also, you wouldn't be paying toward the "fat fucks" you don't like.

 

[Huck_Norris]

[QUOTE:Turd.Ferguson]trust me, understand how dumb and ignorant republicans can be, with their standings on global warming, gay marriage, to name a few.

I also understand how dumb democrats are fiscally. their fiscal plan is that of robin hood. take people who make real money, tax the fuck out of them, then give it to people who don't have money. i find it disappointing to see the amount of people who survive on unemployment checks and refuse to find jobs. jobs are out there no doubt and if you don't have a passion to be able to provide for yourself and your family, why should you get a fucking penny from the govt.?[/QUOTE]

*sigh* See, but that's how taxation actually functions properly in the real world, there is no way around it. The part that sucks though is that the narrative which bothers you the most is a strawman that does not exist- it kills me to no end that people like yourself have been led to believe that ALL social programs and the stereoptype of the lazy immigrant/ghetto black is really what has put this country so far behind the mark. They are literally playing on your most simple fears to feed you bullshit and then fuck you in the ass while you're watching the Mexican/black guy so intently.

How they've convinced you that the problem is poor people or immigrants who don't contribute and only cost us a couple hundred a week and NOT the guys at the top who have literally bribed or shuffled themselves out of billions in tax payments I have no idea, but it speaks volumes of your basic math skills if nothing else.

Also you have to remember that we are still circling the recession drain and as the Republicans do everything they can to sell us out to big international biz and the highest bidders no matter who they represent it gets harder and harder to stay ahead domestically in an increasingly intl. environment. Factories are still closing as we cheapen our value with trade deals and good jobs get harder and harder to find. There are literally hundreds of thousands if not millions of good, hard working people who are out of work for perfectly good reasons. To act like everybody is some Obamaphone-chirping scumbag is to admit you're a child still under Mom's wing or something. It's not anybody's fault if you haven't tasted the worst of someone else's recession- I certainly have- and when you talk like anybody who can't find a job is a piece of shit in today's age it just says "I haven't been in the real world long enough so I don't know how it works when the sky falls" I think you're better than that, and you are smart enough to know when you're getting played.

I agree with you that democrats are fiscally irresponsible in general, but that's infinitely better than flat out supporting taxation without representation for 300 million Americans- and that's exactly what happens when every bit of legislation is passed for those at the top who don't pay taxes at all in many cases, yet none of it works for us at the bottom who pay all the taxes and can barely squeak by at the end of the week because we own all the responsibility when shit hits the fan. That's exactly what is happening in the Republican forum right now- the wholesale auction of your rights- backed up by a network owned by the biggest contributor to said corruption and champion against every program you've ever paid into in your life. How you can stand behind that I have no idea.

Honestly I want to know how you can follow the narrative and completely ignore the things they're doing. You can't do both and be a well-adjusted adult. They don't line up at all and it makes me sick how many people are getting straight up PLAYED by their dislike for gays/mexicans/blacks/people that aren't like them in general. It literally makes me sick to my stomach that so many are so easily misled- and so shoddily at that. One peek at the actual legislation they pass and the money that changes hands and it's so easy to see. I mean come on man. You're so much better than that.

 

[louie.mirags]

I think you'd be surprised about how many "successful" Americans inherited their wealth. Wealth inequality is growing at a staggering rate in America. And the fact is some of the most hard working Americans make the least amount of money, while people who inherited a large portion of their fortune (Donald Trump I'm looking at you) act as if not only they made it themselves through hard work but also ignorantly act as if any American can achieve the same wealth.

Do you honestly think people who make 50k a year should be taxed as much as people who make 50mil a year? Taxing is relative. And the FACT is we are destroying and demoralizing the middle class that drives the economy. Tax breaks for the wealthy is an insane ideology.

Democrats aren't being dumb, they are trying to more evenly balance out the wealth distribution in America.

Meanwhile conservatives continue to think global warming is a myth, that we should sacrifice more American lives in the middle east fighting for a cause the majority of the American people don't believe in, that a women shouldn't have the right to do what they want with their own body, and that two people of the same sex shouldn't essentially be allowed to be happy, among other things.

I classify myself as a libertarian that is obviously liberal leaning. I see most of the developed world as more progressive than conservative and realize how successful most of these progressive countries are, whether is be culturally, economically, or socially. Maybe Ill change when I get older but if conservatives continue to hold the same beliefs by then I doubt it...

This post reminds me of how much they make social ideas get in the way of fiscal ideas. A lot of people want less government but will never associate with conservatives because of the social stigma it brings. Or on the other hand, people may agree more with socialism but don't want to be labelled a radical liberal. It doesn't have to be one way or another. They try to make it that way by distracting us from the actual problems at hand by bringing up social issues. Meanwhile Geb Bush does not give a fuck either way about Gay marriage (maybe he does just making a point) but he will use that topic to swing votes..

I am not really sure what I am getting at but I agree with you that I am more libertarian than anything and socially I lean liberal. I am for the freedom to do what you want as long as you're not affecting anybody from doing the same.

Goddamn we only get one shot at life, fuck being told what to do with my existence on this earth............

 

[Turd.Ferguson]

*sigh* See, but that's how taxation actually functions properly in the real world, there is no way around it. The part that sucks though is that the narrative which bothers you the most is a strawman that does not exist- it kills me to no end that people like yourself have been led to believe that ALL social programs and the stereoptype of the lazy immigrant/ghetto black is really what has put this country so far behind the mark. They are literally playing on your most simple fears to feed you bullshit and then fuck you in the ass while you're watching the Mexican/black guy so intently.

How they've convinced you that the problem is poor people or immigrants who don't contribute and only cost us a couple hundred a week and NOT the guys at the top who have literally bribed or shuffled themselves out of billions in tax payments I have no idea, but it speaks volumes of your basic math skills if nothing else.

Also you have to remember that we are still circling the recession drain and as the Republicans do everything they can to sell us out to big international biz and the highest bidders no matter who they represent it gets harder and harder to stay ahead domestically in an increasingly intl. environment. Factories are still closing as we cheapen our value with trade deals and good jobs get harder and harder to find. There are literally hundreds of thousands if not millions of good, hard working people who are out of work for perfectly good reasons. To act like everybody is some Obamaphone-chirping scumbag is to admit you're a child still under Mom's wing or something. It's not anybody's fault if you haven't tasted the worst of someone else's recession- I certainly have- and when you talk like anybody who can't find a job is a piece of shit in today's age it just says "I haven't been in the real world long enough so I don't know how it works when the sky falls" I think you're better than that, and you are smart enough to know when you're getting played.

I agree with you that democrats are fiscally irresponsible in general, but that's infinitely better than flat out supporting taxation without representation for 300 million Americans- and that's exactly what happens when every bit of legislation is passed for those at the top who don't pay taxes at all in many cases, yet none of it works for us at the bottom who pay all the taxes and can barely squeak by at the end of the week because we own all the responsibility when shit hits the fan. That's exactly what is happening in the Republican forum right now- the wholesale auction of your rights- backed up by a network owned by the biggest contributor to said corruption and champion against every program you've ever paid into in your life. How you can stand behind that I have no idea.

Honestly I want to know how you can follow the narrative and completely ignore the things they're doing. You can't do both and be a well-adjusted adult. They don't line up at all and it makes me sick how many people are getting straight up PLAYED by their dislike for gays/mexicans/blacks/people that aren't like them in general. It literally makes me sick to my stomach that so many are so easily misled- and so shoddily at that. One peek at the actual legislation they pass and the money that changes hands and it's so easy to see. I mean come on man. You're so much better than that.

honestly i wasnt blaming it on minorities that cost us money. i was just pointing out that unemployed workers are hurting this country than helping, even with an increase of available jobs.

People in higher tax brackets are already feeling the repercussions of a fairly flawed affordable healthcare act. though tax add ons that add up fairly well. Honestly i don't think that it was necessary for the act to be passed because if we are a truly capitalistic nation this is the polar opposite.

trust m, i may be an idiot, but even i understand a few basic principles some republicans cannot grasp

1. Everyone deserves marriage equality and YOU CANNOT REFERENCE THE BIBLE TO MAKE A LAW BECAUSE THERE IS A SEPARATION BETWEEN CHURCH AND STATE FOR FUCK SAKE

2. global warming is accepted by 97% of scientists and the other 3% are detached from reality.

3. bill oreilly should have his passport taken away then thrown in mexico and not allowed back in

 

[Huck_Norris]

honestly i wasnt blaming it on minorities that cost us money. i was just pointing out that unemployed workers are hurting this country than helping, even with an increase of available jobs.

People in higher tax brackets are already feeling the repercussions of a fairly flawed affordable healthcare act. though tax add ons that add up fairly well. Honestly i don't think that it was necessary for the act to be passed because if we are a truly capitalistic nation this is the polar opposite.

trust m, i may be an idiot, but even i understand a few basic principles some republicans cannot grasp

1. Everyone deserves marriage equality and YOU CANNOT REFERENCE THE BIBLE TO MAKE A LAW BECAUSE THERE IS A SEPARATION BETWEEN CHURCH AND STATE FOR FUCK SAKE

2. global warming is accepted by 97% of scientists and the other 3% are detached from reality.

3. bill oreilly should have his passport taken away then thrown in mexico and not allowed back in

I like your style in general but you have to remember that the available jobs are DECREASING in value- so basically if you are out of a job sure, you can work for a starvation wage, or a part-time job with no insurance for your family but you're probably going to lose your house as a result. Is that really even an option? I wouldn't take it and neither would you.

Also people in higher tax brackets CAN HANDLE IT which is really the point. See, we have to remember that AS A PERCENTAGE we the middle class pay more and have less left over, moreso as an expression of volume, though- we have so little left over now after taxes that we have to make tough decisions- not so for those at the top. Not even clsoe- you don't get the same consideration as a mom with two kids and two jobs when you can still buy a plane and an island after taxes. I call bullshit. Why the wealthy in this country feel they have contributed enough simply by being rich is beyond me. They pay less as a percentage in taxes, they have access to creative accounting and loopholes we nave none of and they STILL think we're asking too much. Flat out, you're still loaded when you're done paying taxes if you're in that bracket. Seriously.

The thing about capitalism is that it's only a successful system for everyone with checks and balances in place- it knows no limit of its own and greed has no end. When you remove the ability for capitalism to be regulated by anything but the limits of greed itself, you will always get a massive, massive concentration of wealth and control at the very top and a vast ocean of slaves with no rights or recourse below- Basically China, Bangladesh or India. Honestly, that is the Utopia the Republicans are pushing through right now, because it works for the peple paying them. It's actually fucking terrifying- so don't believe that shit for one second my man. The reason "People don't want to work' is because the work environment has changed and it's now a game to see how little you can give workers- people who were working full time with benefits are now stuck doing part time, at minimum wage or getting a fuck you for insurance and other benefits.

The climate has changed and although corporations are apparently people now, they still don't have a fucking ounce of compassion or concern for anything but profits and shareholders and that's why capitalism can't be our compass.

 

[californiagrown]

who do you think all your healthcare money goes to? To single mothers having babies? I would bet the majority goes to the fat fucks you don't like and the thousands with lung cancer and other cancers caused by abusing your body. It seems you're blinded by how you think it should ideally be.. and it is not that way. If you think bandaids costing $10 bucks or ibuprofen costing $20 a pill in the hospital is a step in the right direction then I don't think we're looking at the same facts. If it went private ibuprofen could not cost that because nobody would pay it. You would pay it to the other hospital charging $10. Also, you wouldn't be paying toward the "fat fucks" you don't like.

How much would an emergency appendectomy, or a month long stay for a TBI cost the patient if it was all privatized.

I'm cool with the small shit having an inflated cost, if the big shit doesn't destroy me.

 

[Charlie_Kelly]

I like your style in general but you have to remember that the available jobs are DECREASING in value- so basically if you are out of a job sure, you can work for a starvation wage, or a part-time job with no insurance for your family but you're probably going to lose your house as a result. Is that really even an option? I wouldn't take it and neither would you.

Also people in higher tax brackets CAN HANDLE IT which is really the point. See, we have to remember that AS A PERCENTAGE we the middle class pay more and have less left over, moreso as an expression of volume, though- we have so little left over now after taxes that we have to make tough decisions- not so for those at the top. Not even clsoe- you don't get the same consideration as a mom with two kids and two jobs when you can still buy a plane and an island after taxes. I call bullshit. Why the wealthy in this country feel they have contributed enough simply by being rich is beyond me. They pay less as a percentage in taxes, they have access to creative accounting and loopholes we nave none of and they STILL think we're asking too much. Flat out, you're still loaded when you're done paying taxes if you're in that bracket. Seriously.

The thing about capitalism is that it's only a successful system for everyone with checks and balances in place- it knows no limit of its own and greed has no end. When you remove the ability for capitalism to be regulated by anything but the limits of greed itself, you will always get a massive, massive concentration of wealth and control at the very top and a vast ocean of slaves with no rights or recourse below- Basically China, Bangladesh or India. Honestly, that is the Utopia the Republicans are pushing through right now, because it works for the peple paying them. It's actually fucking terrifying- so don't believe that shit for one second my man. The reason "People don't want to work' is because the work environment has changed and it's now a game to see how little you can give workers- people who were working full time with benefits are now stuck doing part time, at minimum wage or getting a fuck you for insurance and other benefits.

The climate has changed and although corporations are apparently people now, they still don't have a fucking ounce of compassion or concern for anything but profits and shareholders and that's why capitalism can't be our compass.

Holy fuck what a well thought out post. God Id love to see you take on that retard compeador.

 

[Trace.]

but he is still worth over 8 billion. Look, i'm not hoping he becomes president, but I will vote him over Hilary any day.

If you can honestly listen to Trumps announcement speech and think "well yeah but I mean he's better than Hillary" you should probably consider being less partisan. If we can't get someone from the private sector who cares more about their worldly contributions than their net worth, then maybe we should keep the race to the people who've proven to atleast understand how government works by being part of the process be it for better or worse depending on your party allegiance. Don't blindly adhere to the people who claim to fly your flag, support the people and candidates that you trust to enact policy that would better the world you live in.

 

[Makena]

vote for pedro

you've got the right idea

 

[bardissono]

Ronald Reagan was an actor before he was president, and he was one of the best. How badly do you want to be American? Every thread about the USA you always have to post in lol

Ronald Reagan was not "one of the best" he shaped policies which are still hurting Americans today and justified his economics off of the Laffer curve which has been proven to be complete bullshit and people still use to justify not raising taxes.

 

[californiagrown]

Ronald Reagan was not "one of the best" he shaped policies which are still hurting Americans today and justified his economics off of the Laffer curve which has been proven to be complete bullshit and people still use to justify not raising taxes.

It could be said Ronald Reagan's presidency was a laffer...

But seriously. Easily the most overrated lres ever.

 

[.frenchy]

Ronald Reagan was not "one of the best" he shaped policies which are still hurting Americans today and justified his economics off of the Laffer curve which has been proven to be complete bullshit and people still use to justify not raising taxes.

He's not a pussy like obama, don't try to tell me that MY OWN opinion was wrong.

I don't care if I wasn't alive for his presidency, I can read books lol

 

[S.J.W]

He's not a pussy like obama, don't try to tell me that MY OWN opinion was wrong.

I don't care if I wasn't alive for his presidency, I can read books lol

lol, you could pretty much cripple ISIS if the US stopped selling weapons to them. 20% of IS stock hold is from American manufacturers. But governments still need to present this illusion of freedom to continue their wars and maximize profits for weapon manufacturers