Western Black Rhino Declared Extinct

You're probably right about me being an idiot.

If you disagree that we are part of nature, then please explain where you would draw the line between humans / human interactions, and other parts of nature. Also explain why you feel that there exists a boundary between ourselves and other naturally occurring phenomenons, which have happened to come about on this planet purely due to chemical & physical processes.

I don't have a "fuck it" attitude about nature, in fact when I was younger I often helped with conservation work. I love animals, and the beauty of plants & living organisms in general fascinates me.

The thing is, when you grasp the whole argument which I made further up in this thread, then you realise that the true meaning of "preserving nature" is literally whatever we do, because we are not outside of the laws of nature and thus changing our ways doesn't change the course of nature.
 
honestly it's pretty evident it wasn't referring to you specifically, but the fact that you brought it up pretty much shows you aren't educated enough to even debate about the subject. fact of the matter is whether you want to admit it or not, this is a representation of the human race. you act like it's happening on a microscopic scale (I.E you refer to it as a 'handful) only to rhinos but the fact of the matter is that poaching is worldwide on a massive scale and ultimately speeding up and contributing to extinction.
 
Thank you for assuming my opinion is based on a lack of information. I have no idea how many poachers there are in the world. Lets say there are 100 million poachers on earth. That's 1.4% of the worlds population (remember the part I said that handful was relatively small?)

1.4% of 7 billion = handful.

Of course I know poaching is a happening on a worldwide scale. Nowhere did I say I was happy about it. The fact of the matter is I see a far uglier side of the world than you will likely ever know (child abuse/neglect/sexual exploitation/substance abuse/etc) and poaching/endangered species/extinction are so far down my list of things I need/want to worry about its not even funny.

Again, I am NOT happy animals are going extinct and I think poachers deserve whatever's coming to them. It just doesn't cross my mind on a regular basis and I don't go out of my way to concern myself with the subject.
 
it's sad then, because if you did truly understand those things you claim, then you would understand what i was saying. all of those things come down to ONE factor, humans, no? think about it this way; neglect, child/sexual/substance abuse ALL come down to my main point of that post, the representation of the human race. how does poaching represent us? poorly. how do the things you brought up present us? poorly. albeit the path down either side is a bit different it still ends up with humans being pieces of shit.
 
I agree there's no hard line that would separate us from nature, however what's the purpose of the word nature if it doesn't distinguish between our and other natural interactions? It would be useless if it just meant everything.. so there has to be a line, and it is between human impact and everything else; though it is also cited as one of the most complex english words
 
I disagree. We are the absence of nature. Literally as a function of human life, we first remove nature and it's elements, then bring back in only that which we need and/or want to survive. We are the dark to nature's light. Sure, we are carbon-based lifeforms on this floating rock just like any other if you want to simplify it like that- except that all other species exist WITH nature just as a cog in a machine functions, so to does the many variables in the wild kingdom- but not humans. There is no equilibrium with humans on a grand scale, there is only conquest, dominance and unchecked expansion- more like a cancerous tumor on a living tissue than an organ functioning within a living organism so to speak. See, we don't feed back into the food chain, we don't serve any function to nature except to destroy it for our own needs (even if we consider ourselves conversationalists, if you had children you're adding to the problem by simple definition) and there is no limit to what we'll do for money, fame or even just a little slice of the world to call our own.

If you want to see how truly selfish the human race really is, you need to look no further than your local cemetery. Thousands of dead people nobody visits, cares about or even remembers at all- sitting there for eternity, taking up space just to do it and claim "your" place until the sun explodes.

So by definition, mankind is the opposite of nature IMO. We don't move among the trees, we cut them down and make a path. We don't live in nature, we cut it down and use it to build a structure to keep nature out. We don't create life or feed into a cycle, we just take. Hell, even after we die our bodies are left embalmed and of no value to even worms and such. We truly are the most selfish creature in the known universe and it shows every day.

 
seriously thank you for an educated and eloquent post, i couldn't have said that better if i tried. we have become separate from nature in a way like you said, which is seriously depressing and frightening because we shouldn't be. we are a product of nature, of what we destroy, of what gave us the gift of life. we weren't always like this though, look throughout history and the cultures that worshiped gods and goddesses. a good amount their deities were depicted in some animal form whether it was a head or limbs or whatever, and a good amount of them stood for nature whether it was weather, crops, or animals. we have become lost.
 
I don't think a culture that makes operating vending machines stuffed with little girl panties a profitable enterprise is in need of boners.
 
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I do not, nor have I ever, believed that humans are inherently 'good'. Humans are generally pretty selfish and that leads to a whole bunch of pretty terrible behaviour. I just choose which behaviour/actions to concern myself with. Sorry if that happens to be the welfare of children and families rather than the welfare of endangered animals.
 
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