grilled_steeze
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Upstate NY skiers will be happy about this. West Mountain bought two used triples, one from Haystack. This season and next will be better knowing were not going to fall to our deaths.
West Mt. bought a new anything?
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Mr.noodle
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Actually west mountain bought a lot of new lights, replaced all the water pipes for the snow makers and a lot of snow making equipment before last season and has been slowly upgading everything for a few years so them buying new stuff isn't a rare occurrence. Also who are you? I ski there a lot so I might know you
bagofbeans
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They actually only bought one new triple and split it into two areas but it is fast and that is what they needed. Also don't hate on west
bagofbeans
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13437168:Big_Mtn said:
faster*
grilled_steeze
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13436851:Mr.noodle said:
Queensbury high school?
grilled_steeze
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13437165:bagofbeans said:
No hate, just happy we got a new lift. I agree its a major step in the right direction
grilled_steeze
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13438061:Mr.noodle said:
probably wont know you then. i do a training program up at gore in the winter, so im up there weekends and at west weeknights
grilled_steeze
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13438228:Brule. said:
name?
steezyjibber
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13438579:N.L. said:
Wait the old slow double in the dark is gone? I have memories of that thing as well.
https://www.newschoolers.com/membernewsread/A-Piece-History-West-Mountain
^ read that, it's amusing imo.
When I saw they were getting a new lift I was stoked. Went over there and talked to them about their parks before I moved to colorado but their budget in that area was pretty ridiculous.
I worked there for 3 seasons from 08-11. Was a shame mike fucked everything up, we all left and the park took a huge dive.
That could easily be the best park in the region. It's easy access(super close to the I87, night skiing, close to qbury/gfalls, and toga. There are kids out there 5 or 6 days a week shredding. When I went there in dec there were a ton of younger kids on twin tips rolling around in packs hitting some of the cut ups and what not but no park open for them.
If that place put a few k together for a budget for new features, and keeping 2 park employees on EVERY day, they could be the best park in the region.
Probably going to email them over the summer. At this point not something I would want to do for a few years as I have other stuff going on now but I would love a chance to make that park sick at some point.
For me the hardest thing is getting the people out and west has the people. You could throw a mediocre contest, with no hype in advance, $20+ entry with meh prizes, no notice, and still get 25+ people out.
I understand that they have a lot of improvements to make and they need to watch their spending, but a good park would MAKE them money. A season pass their is like $500. A really legit park would sell at least 6 passes. That would pay for all the new rails. The day lift ticket sales would be enough to pay for the park employees. That place should be crushing it in the park game.
Hoping to work something out where in 2 or 3 years I can do a few seasons their and pimp out their park. Who knows, maybe they'll do it on their own, but I doubt it. The kids want a good park, build that shit west.
/too many words.
Not sure why but I'm attached to that place, the people, the community, etc. Even after that place dicked us all around under the old management. Maybe some day.
^ read that, it's amusing imo.
When I saw they were getting a new lift I was stoked. Went over there and talked to them about their parks before I moved to colorado but their budget in that area was pretty ridiculous.
I worked there for 3 seasons from 08-11. Was a shame mike fucked everything up, we all left and the park took a huge dive.
That could easily be the best park in the region. It's easy access(super close to the I87, night skiing, close to qbury/gfalls, and toga. There are kids out there 5 or 6 days a week shredding. When I went there in dec there were a ton of younger kids on twin tips rolling around in packs hitting some of the cut ups and what not but no park open for them.
If that place put a few k together for a budget for new features, and keeping 2 park employees on EVERY day, they could be the best park in the region.
Probably going to email them over the summer. At this point not something I would want to do for a few years as I have other stuff going on now but I would love a chance to make that park sick at some point.
For me the hardest thing is getting the people out and west has the people. You could throw a mediocre contest, with no hype in advance, $20+ entry with meh prizes, no notice, and still get 25+ people out.
I understand that they have a lot of improvements to make and they need to watch their spending, but a good park would MAKE them money. A season pass their is like $500. A really legit park would sell at least 6 passes. That would pay for all the new rails. The day lift ticket sales would be enough to pay for the park employees. That place should be crushing it in the park game.
Hoping to work something out where in 2 or 3 years I can do a few seasons their and pimp out their park. Who knows, maybe they'll do it on their own, but I doubt it. The kids want a good park, build that shit west.
/too many words.
Not sure why but I'm attached to that place, the people, the community, etc. Even after that place dicked us all around under the old management. Maybe some day.
Mr.noodle
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13438762:theabortionator said:
They have one nice rail jam every year where kids throw down pretty good but with a few more they could make a lot of money. On3p actually had a demo day there one day which was sick even though i couldnt even demo a pair but they are definitly getting into the groove and improving their parks. The jumps and rails 2 years ago were wack but they put a lot more work into parks this year which was cool
grilled_steeze
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13438762:theabortionator said:
I feel ya, that's where i learned how to ski. after the original owner left, the place went downhill (no pun intended), and still is.
grilled_steeze
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13438579:N.L. said:
I think they have intentions on selling chairs, e-mail them if you want to ask about one, they have info on IG too, i think
BigScaryLarry
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howdy from the dude who has spent the last 4 days helping to take down the old lift at haystack that is going to west mt! west is getting a sky trac poma triple chairlift from both sugarbush and haystack from what i know. they are taking the towers and terminals from haystack and the bottom terminal as well as some of the towers (maybe) from sugarbush. they are going to take these two lifts and combining them to make two new lifts at west. note: the triple from haystack was notoriously slow and cold. sorry
Brule.
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13438559:skipoint0 said:
I'm not giving a name, all I have to say is that I'm a junior there. Other than that, I'm not saying shit lol.
13438762:theabortionator said:
I had a couple of friends work for the park at West for the past two years (it started when Barbone left lol), the first year of those two KEVTRON was the head park ranger. This was when the management at West liked their ideas for the park, they had two rail jams that were good and one of them was at least the annual Hometown Hero rail jam.
This past winter, however, there wasn't a legitimate manager for the park crew, they just worked for Spencer (the "new" owner of West) and divided their schedule evenly, and the management had some fucked up ideas, like the whole AcroBag event and how they wanted to launch people tubing off a jump into the airbag. I sessioned it the first night and I witnessed one of the employees get really butthurt at the Acrobag people because they had to patch up a hole in the bag after someone accidentally sliced their ski edge into the bag. Long story short it was fucked. In the end, the management had major doubts in the park even though the park was a good one to jump around in. All the management cared about was that the mountain was earning some money and that they were still being endorsed by a local Chevy dealership.
grilled_steeze
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13439019:Brule. said:
i get you with the name thing. I'm a freshman. its sad they wont do anything to get a good park going, that and the employees/owners are assholes for the most part
13438803:Mr.noodle said:
Idk man, I didn't see what they built this year but I would still guess 2009-11 was the best of the parks at west by far. Came up quick and died fast. I went in the spring the season before last, not even super late spring and the park had no jump, 4 features in (that weren't setup bad other than the one falling over) but they were horizontal so you could only hit one each lap which was a bummer.
13439019:Brule. said:
YEah kevins one of my good friends. We worked together 10-11 there.
As far as the hours they just aren't getting the time. You're talking $0 for a budget and splitting 40 hours between 3 or 4 employees. It was crazy talk. They should throw $3k into new rails and keep at least 120 a week for park employees. They would make it back.
Didn't know they had a bag come through. Probably read about it but I forget everything.
West really needs to throw some money into some new features, paying staff to keep things nice, and get somebody who can build park with the cat. They finally got a new machine their, but like most small mountains the park grooming isn't on point.
I remember one year I worked there what's his name was grooming. I marked the front of the rail because I didn't trust him, he got all but hurt and my boss told me to move. Then he dropped the blade on the front of the rail and bent it. That's why the dfd has the rainbow on the first down.
Not saying they need the main groomer to have park skills but get somebody that can come in for build, and do a quick groom at close or in the morning the other days, probably a person running the park program, and go from there.
Idk, I'll probably never work there but I have all these plans in my head of what rails they should build park layouts, separate beginner park, contests etc. I'm like the girls that plan out their wedding with random guys they barely know or haven't even talked to accept with parks.
Idk, in 2 or 3 years it'd be cool to get a shot. Wouldn't go back there unless there was a budget that allowed for building new rails, paying enough employees to keep it up, and the management was behind the program. As far as staffing if you aren't going to maintain it whats the point. And if it's well built and kept immaculate people will come. Especially with the monday nights for 17 deal. The park would be popping off.
Someday maybe. If I end up around the east again in the winter I'll stop by. Been over there a few times the last few years. Same with mt jore. Maybe I'll see some of ya out there
Mr.noodle
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13439197:theabortionator said:
Yeah like 3 years ago you could hit 2 rails then a jump then 2 more rails. But for the past 2 years everything has been horizontal so you can only hit a shitty jump and a decent rail but usually just either a down shotgun or flat shotgun but it's pretty long and decently smooth
grilled_steeze
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13438996:Strange.Journey. said:
cant be as bad as what they have now lol
Here's some shot from a couple laps spring 2010/11
Had some pretty good flow
Had a pretty bigjump the one year. The landing sucked but it was around a 10' tall step down.
Found this pic of my car in the lot at west. Doesn't fit but I thought it was funny
I had some decent pics at the park at west but I don't know where they're at. Maybe on my desktop here.
A 2 jump line of 25-35 with a his and hers, maybe 4 new tube rails, a couple new boxes, a few other rails, a nice side by side setup the whole way down the face to go with that, some smaller stuff with a smaller jump or two on the side, a wood park that starts with 3 log rails a few jibs and grows every year, and a beginner park with some real small stuff for learning and teaching.
With that, plus building something really cool/weird once or twice a year would really get that place going and make that a hub. Right now most of the region drives all the way to mount snow to hit a good park. West could have something that's cheap, and while much smaller, comparable in quality.
I don't think it'd be that hard to do. And the result would be awesome. That place is kind of like those towns with a ton of kids skating around together, but no skatepark. You build the park and give everyone a place to shred together, bring some people from out of the region as well and it would be fucking sick.
I'll keep planning it all in my head and probably never do anything there again. In spite of all the bullshit there had a good time the 3 seasons I worked there, maybe a 4th or 5th in my future? idk
Had some pretty good flow
Had a pretty bigjump the one year. The landing sucked but it was around a 10' tall step down.
Found this pic of my car in the lot at west. Doesn't fit but I thought it was funny
I had some decent pics at the park at west but I don't know where they're at. Maybe on my desktop here.
A 2 jump line of 25-35 with a his and hers, maybe 4 new tube rails, a couple new boxes, a few other rails, a nice side by side setup the whole way down the face to go with that, some smaller stuff with a smaller jump or two on the side, a wood park that starts with 3 log rails a few jibs and grows every year, and a beginner park with some real small stuff for learning and teaching.
With that, plus building something really cool/weird once or twice a year would really get that place going and make that a hub. Right now most of the region drives all the way to mount snow to hit a good park. West could have something that's cheap, and while much smaller, comparable in quality.
I don't think it'd be that hard to do. And the result would be awesome. That place is kind of like those towns with a ton of kids skating around together, but no skatepark. You build the park and give everyone a place to shred together, bring some people from out of the region as well and it would be fucking sick.
I'll keep planning it all in my head and probably never do anything there again. In spite of all the bullshit there had a good time the 3 seasons I worked there, maybe a 4th or 5th in my future? idk
bagofbeans
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13439442:theabortionator said:Here's some shot from a couple laps spring 2010/11
Had some pretty good flow
Had a pretty bigjump the one year. The landing sucked but it was around a 10' tall step down.
Found this pic of my car in the lot at west. Doesn't fit but I thought it was funny
I had some decent pics at the park at west but I don't know where they're at. Maybe on my desktop here.
A 2 jump line of 25-35 with a his and hers, maybe 4 new tube rails, a couple new boxes, a few other rails, a nice side by side setup the whole way down the face to go with that, some smaller stuff with a smaller jump or two on the side, a wood park that starts with 3 log rails a few jibs and grows every year, and a beginner park with some real small stuff for learning and teaching.
With that, plus building something really cool/weird once or twice a year would really get that place going and make that a hub. Right now most of the region drives all the way to mount snow to hit a good park. West could have something that's cheap, and while much smaller, comparable in quality.
I don't think it'd be that hard to do. And the result would be awesome. That place is kind of like those towns with a ton of kids skating around together, but no skatepark. You build the park and give everyone a place to shred together, bring some people from out of the region as well and it would be fucking sick.
I'll keep planning it all in my head and probably never do anything there again. In spite of all the bullshit there had a good time the 3 seasons I worked there, maybe a 4th or 5th in my future? idk
That looks sick for west! I ski there almost every night and one of my friends is on the park crew. No effort is but into improving it and almost all they care about is ski racing. if there was a good park at west like that they would easily make there money back.
Brule.
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13439632:bagofbeans said:
What's worse is that any exposure of the West race team is that it involves Spencer's kids and any other little shit that's on the team is spontaneously good at racing. I've heard that some of the coaches came from NSA in Lake Placid because the school closed.
I have two friends that are on the park crew for West, they're surprisingly down to earth and they're pretty much like any other park regular.
I'm usually around West during the midweek (I train there most of the time for my school's ski team) and I've started going there more on Friday nights, despite waking up early the next day to work at Mount Jore.
It's been a mountain of firsts this past season for me. First time at FOTM (it was a drunken shitshow, even though I was sober), first time hitting an airbag, and first time poaching some woods on a snow day to find waist deep pow (a first in northern NY for me, it might have been a bike trail, but it was some trail the woods that separated Midway and A.O.A., idk). I also jumped from a drop that's off an abandoned house on A.O.A., too.
Lastly, West already made their money back through events, ticket sales, etc. IMO a lot of these plans seem like a load of shit.
http://m.poststar.com/news/local/sk...11e3-aae9-001a4bcf887a.html?mobile_touch=true
Fire on the mountain is great lol. Def a shitshow but a good one.
What are you doing at mount jore? I wonder if I even know anyone that skis there anymore. It's been a couple years for me.
Stoked west is getting some new chair action at least. Honestly with that old triple I was thankful every time I got to the top and didn't fall to my death.
Who are your friends on the park crew? I think I know a couple people working there.
Hopefully they decide to chuck some money into the park program there though. The amount of kids there shredding and people trying to get into the park is pretty crazy considering how small the mountain is. They need a good park bad
What are you doing at mount jore? I wonder if I even know anyone that skis there anymore. It's been a couple years for me.
Stoked west is getting some new chair action at least. Honestly with that old triple I was thankful every time I got to the top and didn't fall to my death.
Who are your friends on the park crew? I think I know a couple people working there.
Hopefully they decide to chuck some money into the park program there though. The amount of kids there shredding and people trying to get into the park is pretty crazy considering how small the mountain is. They need a good park bad
Brule.
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13440128:theabortionator said:
I'm working at Mount Jore as an instructor. A lot of people were new here this past winter, including myself. They're still expanding skiing acreage for the most part by including more glades, although the pow days have been occurring during school weeks.
I'd rather not list names in an open thread of who I know that is a part of the West park crew.
I remember during the midweek for ski team practices riding up the northwest triple was sketchy because it was pitch black and the lights from Mach barely reached the lift. I'm glad that lift is getting replaced.
I hope that more money is poured into funding the park at West because all that's been done is put on some steel skirting on the DFD and they re-painted the rails blue and purple. Judging from skiing at night there when they have the school groups come, at least a good chunk of them end up lapping the park. With west, the features are built well at first then a couple of days later they turn to shit due to poor grooming of jumps.
People like to go in the park at West and some of the people that go in the park don't know what they're doing because they ignore the safety sign at the top and think that they're invincible. What's important is park safety, and it seems like the management at West is holding back on funding the park because gapers get hurt in the park because they ignore the signs at the top of the park.
grilled_steeze
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13440214:Brule. said:
I'm at Gore as an IIT, even though ive walked to west, its still worth the 45 min drive north
Word. I've see that dfd claim some people. Horrible design to not have skirted. Lots of boards skis and a few legs get wrappped in there. Seen a lot of busted equipment but luckily no serious injuries.
As far as the park sign and gapers that's every mountain honestly.
As far as the park sign and gapers that's every mountain honestly.
Was just over there yesterday. Walked around a bit. New lift is looking good. Moving to the center frees up the left side for the park. Still pretty tight but much better than before without pushing as far over as it used to. That side is graded out and ready for seed. The ditch under the lift line is gone as are the power lines running up the side, nice and clean.
Was nice to be over there and nostalgia a bit.
Was nice to be over there and nostalgia a bit.
13486216:Brule. said:
I didn't ride there other than once in the last 4 years so maybe it ws already graded out. But there used to be ditch under the lift separating the two trails. Wasn't extreme but a decent dip I think.(Idk it was a while ago)
But that's all smooth from one side to the other. a slight left fal line going down the main pitch but it's not too bad.
The inflow trail mid way is interesting. Cutting around the bunny hill but that traffic neds to go somewhere and will take up a lane in the park. That said if a jumpline were run one cat pass over that could all funnel into that lane of people wanting to go down the side of the park as long as the merge was fenced to keep people from colliding or trying to go directly into the jump line.
A little tight but a lot could be done with that space.
13439442:theabortionator said:
So I guess that's happening.
New tube rails coming. Not sure how many but going to build what I can build with the old towers.
Might throw in some wood features somewhere as well.
Biggest thing is doing a small beginner park that's separate from the main park. Something with those small boxes and rails as well as maybe a new feature.
Hoping to be rocking 3 parks for the season, and going to try to have them all lighted. The normal park on the face will be there and obviously that's already lighted.
I'll post some pictures once I get building things.
grilled_steeze
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13503369:theabortionator said:
Good for west that they're finally getting good stuff. Too bad the owner and his family are dicks
They're investing in the park which is a good thing. I think they see that it's something people want, and even though they may not really understand it all, they seem willing to give it a proper shot.
Hopefully if things go well this season, the kids will be happy, they'll be happy, and it will leave the door open to more stuff in the future.
They're giving me dibs on the old lift towers for some new features. Even though I probably won't be purchasing any other material other than topsheets for the boxes, and maybe some skirting, we should be able to get a few new features for the season.
Also they seem open to me taking up extra real estate. At the moment it seems like I have the go ahead to build 2 parks next to each other near the base area as well as another small park half way up the hill on the edge of the frolic. Hoping to have lights on all those spots.
Honestly if I could build even 4 new tube rails, fix some stuff up, get those 3 parks, get the lights for the other 2, and set things up legit, we should have a pretty proper park.
I don't think I'm going to go that big on jumps this year. If there's room I'm open to it but shooting for more jumps that are built nice and proper. Probably won't see anything over 30' this year for booters.
Going to focus on the rail game this year, and just getting some smaller jumps dialed.
Hoping the end result will be the legit park that west always could have had, but never got.
Hopefully if things go well this season, the kids will be happy, they'll be happy, and it will leave the door open to more stuff in the future.
They're giving me dibs on the old lift towers for some new features. Even though I probably won't be purchasing any other material other than topsheets for the boxes, and maybe some skirting, we should be able to get a few new features for the season.
Also they seem open to me taking up extra real estate. At the moment it seems like I have the go ahead to build 2 parks next to each other near the base area as well as another small park half way up the hill on the edge of the frolic. Hoping to have lights on all those spots.
Honestly if I could build even 4 new tube rails, fix some stuff up, get those 3 parks, get the lights for the other 2, and set things up legit, we should have a pretty proper park.
I don't think I'm going to go that big on jumps this year. If there's room I'm open to it but shooting for more jumps that are built nice and proper. Probably won't see anything over 30' this year for booters.
Going to focus on the rail game this year, and just getting some smaller jumps dialed.
Hoping the end result will be the legit park that west always could have had, but never got.
13503901:Mr.noodle said:
Yeah that's my goal. West will be ahead of Gore in the jib game. If everything goes well with these towers, and other things work out, it will hopefully be wayyy ahead.
Gore has built some good jumps before. In 2009/10 the jump at the bottom of lower sleighride was proper. Might have only been like 25'/30' but it had a nice take off and landing and road smooth.
Look for everything to be properly built and well maintained. My goal is for everything to be set up in a functional way, have some creative things thrown in, and have everything fairly immaculate.
If you're in the area and bored, grab your skis and take a gander.
13504043:Mr.noodle said:
I'll be there quite a bit. Probably most of the time honestly. And always down to lap with peoples.
-benedetto
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That post from West Mountain announcing you as the terrain park manager showed up as a sponsored link on my facebook last night. Congratulations man!!
(get them to have snoe.down there haha)
(get them to have snoe.down there haha)
13504844:-benedetto said:
That's the next announcement. The biscuits, cheese, umphreys, greensky, and trey band are all playing.
But really I hope that comes back eventually.