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March 27, 2004, 1:01PM

5th Circuit gives police new power in searches

Warrant unneeded in some instances

Associated Press

NEW ORLEANS -- A federal appeals court has opened the door for police in Texas and two other states to search residences and buildings for evidence without a warrant -- a ruling strongly criticized by two dissenting justices.

The 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled police do not need an arrest or search warrant to conduct a swift sweep of private property to ensure their safety.

Evidence found in that search is admissible if the search is a 'cursory inspection' and if police entered for a legitimate purpose and believed it may be dangerous.

The 11-4 ruling affects Louisiana, Texas and Mississippi and replaces a standard set in 1994, when the 5th Circuit held that police can make a so-called protective sweep only if officers are there to arrest someone. In the majority opinion, Judge William Lockhart Garwood wrote that any in-home encounter poses a risk to police officers, even if it is simply to interview someone.

Houston Police Chief Harold Hurtt wasn't available for comment, department spokeswoman Sandra Aponte said.

The opinion noted that a similar standard has been adopted by four other federal circuit courts of appeals.

The American Civil Liberties Union called the decision dangerous.

'This decision is the latest rollback of safeguards to protect the people from being at the mercy of a police state,' said Joe Cook, executive director of the ACLU of Louisiana. 'Allowing law enforcement to search homes without probable cause or any warrant makes a dramatic and dangerous departure from one of our most fundamental American freedoms.'

The decision came in the case of Kelly Donald Gould, a Denham Springs, La., man arrested in October 2000 on federal gun charges and accused of threatening to kill judges and police.

Deputies went to Gould's trailer with no warrant but were invited in by another resident, who told them Gould was in the bedroom.

Because of the threats and Gould's criminal history, the deputies said, they looked for him under the bed and in two closets, where they found three rifles. They later found Gould in the woods and seized the weapons after they got him to sign a permission for the search.

U.S. District Judge James Brady ruled the guns could not be evidence because they were obtained illegally. A three-judge panel of the 5th Circuit upheld that decision but told prosecutors to request a hearing before the court to reconsider the precedent on which it was based.

Dissenters said the ruling makes an exception to constitutional protections against unlawful search and seizure.

'I have no doubt that the deputy sheriffs believed they were acting reasonably and with good intentions,' Judges Harold DeMoss Jr. and Carl E. Stewart wrote. 'But the old adage warns us that `The road to hell is paved with good intentions.' '

U.S. Attorney David Dugas of Baton Rouge said the case illustrates the 'difficult situations' officers often face.

'They're expected to make split-second decisions in potentially dangerous situations involving constitutional issues that the courts and legal scholars can spend years debating,' Dugas said.

But Mike Walsh, a defense attorney, said the 5th Circuit decision 'grossly expands' the definition of lawful searches and erodes constitutional rights.
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/nation/2470156

streight up there is noone that can argue for this, its fucken rediculous how the american public let their government shackel them up and not do anything about it

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Dude honestly get a fucking life, why do you care so much about what the US does. You dont live here and even if you did if you dont like the country then fucking move. Get over the I hate america threads, this is a ski site and although this is non ski gabber if you dont ski at all why the hell are you even here? To start more ' America sucks and is going to take over the world and ruing everytyhing threads' Get a life you hoser

'Don't fuck with me 'cause I'm going to delete everything you ever post and have ever posted - Flanker, A moderator
 
You should know what's going on. Critizing your country doesn't mean you hate it. Every citizen should pay attention to what is happening, don't assume that the government has your best intentions in mind

 
you should all be terrified. This is how nazi germany started out man. That shit if fucking scary. You're supposed to have constitutionally garunteed rights. Doesn't it scare you that this shit is quickly turning into a fucking police state?

 
dspin7x, there is nothing wrong with being aware of what's going on in the world. Its an important issue and just because it might not directly affect someone, it doesn't mean its not worth posting. There's no need for you to police what people post on this site, and this certainly is worthy material.

mean people suck
 
yes i find it funny how i (non us citizen) am asking the questions that you (us citizen) SHOULD BE FUCKEN ASKING...

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keep it coming piot

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Silly Rabbits. Pink is for cheese! –stevexs2

i love watching people get nutted. i hate seeing naked fat people getting the box munched - BallinBU

numbers are for jewish investment bankers - sleezemcfly

im a straight up thugged out ghetto prep - ATLANTASKI

Looting, it's the new way to buy stuff! - Jib_This
 
funny how quick you are to post on this particular ruling by the 5th circut court, and yet nary a word mentioned when a rouge decisions are made by the 9th circut court in california, or by some other civil servant who thinks that they can interpret the constitution, on almost a monthly basis. like what? like trying to recall the recall election last fall (that had been voted on by the people of california), like mayor newsome randomly deciding to marry homosexual couples,(despite proposition 22 that had been passed and voted on by the people of california) etc etc. the point being that court rulings of this nature go both ways, but surely you would overlook anything that may be to the contrary of your radical views. bottom line here is that you, piot, have marginalized yourself, and have suceeded at only one thing, near as i can tell, and that is of making a mockery out of yourself. the unfortunate thing about people like you, is that you give a bad image, and a bad name to other people who might, by chance share some of your ideologies, who might not be completely moronic. so please, knock it off with this sensationalism. i am pretty certain that no one in their right mind takes you seriously. and please realize that for every bit of anti government / conspiracy theory nonsense that you dig up in the nether reaches of the internet, that there are just as many evidences, and stories to the contrary. so please, i implore you, end yourself immidiatly. and if that seems a bit rash, just try to simmer down a bit, and take a few deep breaths, and realize that the gestapo most likely wont be knocking on your door anytime soon, nor the doors of anyone you know.

-you think you can take us on... you and your cronies-
 
I find it interesting. perhaps the sarcasm is unneeded, but news definitely is

'can you read what that says?'

'donna simma?'

'yes, that's right. now how would that appear in a phone book?'

'simma, donna?'

'that's right now Simma down na!
 
the way i see it, keep on the straight and narrow and you dont have to worry about that

'He got fired? What did he do?'

'He jumped off of the roof again'
 
It's not the 4th reich, that's taking it way too far. Maybe on the path to Neo-McCarthyism, though. I hope it doesn't get there.

J.D.'s Hall of Fame for Stupid Posts:

''mad trix is a gay name. go with the k2's.'' -Linepunk

''Dude, Americans or Canadians didn't invent english, the British dudes did.'' -Chauncy

''Gay people are fags'' -Atlantaski

''dude i am literat i just cant spell worth shit u got prob with it bitch'' -Bridgerbowlskier

''Gay marriages are gay.'' -SUpilot

'if it werent for women, i wouldnt have to wear condoms' -Hucksterjibber
 
Dude you are fucking stupid, want to know why they do this? Cops are going to bust in your house or any shit it so they ca get evdince easy. So many people get free cuse there is alot of shit cops have to do in order.

'My arm hurts, I think I had a Stroke'

-Some girl in my school

'At least my boy friend didnt finger my ass hole with strawberry shampoo'

- Words siad durring a Bitch fight

'Bagger my ass, its probley just Mill House'

- Homer Simpson

'Is it makeing love when 5 migets spank a man covered in Thosand Island dressing'

-Tolken
 
just don't do anything illegal and i dont think you have to worry. im not a big conservative bush backer or anything but i do think it's way too difficult for the police to do their job.

 
your lame^...and cops still do this without this 5th whatever. they are fucking pigs and most need to die. kerry 2004 bitches!

w.m.h
 
Anewmorning pretty muched summed it up perfect as long as it fits ur agenda and can further yuor oint you will exploit it yet if it goes against ur beliefs u keep ur mouth shut...Best part is you know Anewmorning was absloutely right or you might have posted back HHMM...Well said anewmorning

To all the Killaz and the $100 Dolla Billaz.....Midwestskier.com
 
im not a blind voted and you know this SUpilot...ive made waay to many posts about my reasons for hating bush and now im sick of doing it.

w.m.h
 
'The Bush administration has presented Americans with a false dichotomy that we must choose between being safe or free.'

-Emily Whitfield,

ACLU national spokeswoman

 
^ My apologies, but it is hard to distinguish sarcasm on this website nowadays. Are you supporting that statement of making fun of it and refuting it?

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Mont Tremblant '04
 
yeah,all this threads about United States of America,the all mighty kicking everybody's ass world power,are killing me too.

But in what Lord Piot wrote i can also see some similarities about how the 3 reich started(Nuremberg Laws,basically)and man,if i was an american,i would be fleeing the country and seek refuge ina lost mountain by the Costa Rica jungle.

Or maybe you'd rather stay there,because you believe Bush is redefining democracy and security.But i wouldn't trust your government,in fact,i don't even trust mine...

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Fuck it.I'm bored
 
why take care of your problems when you can just as easily get someone else to...

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Silly Rabbits. Pink is for cheese! –stevexs2

i love watching people get nutted. i hate seeing naked fat people getting the box munched - BallinBU

numbers are for jewish investment bankers - sleezemcfly

im a straight up thugged out ghetto prep - ATLANTASKI

Looting, it's the new way to buy stuff! - Jib_This
 
“...the rank and file are usually much more primitive than we imagine. Propaganda must therefore always be essentially simple and repetitious.

“The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly... it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over.�

— Joseph Goebbels

Nazi Propaganda Minister

“How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don’t think.�

— Adolf Hitler

 
Take it from Goebbels and Hitler, true experts on mass-brainwashing. And the U.S. government, particularly the CIA, has learned a great deal from the Nazis. The Nazis in turn learned a great deal from American corporate advertising techniques and the American mass-media.

The American corporate mass-media is the world’s greatest practitioner of what its student Goebbels preached: repeating simple-minded lies over and over for months and years, until the lies take on a life of their own and all the American sheeple repeat them unthinkingly as commonly accepted “facts�.

 
like mcdonalds 'new' chicken nuggets... which were no different.... except in supposedly using real meat im told

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Silly Rabbits. Pink is for cheese! –stevexs2

i love watching people get nutted. i hate seeing naked fat people getting the box munched - BallinBU

numbers are for jewish investment bankers - sleezemcfly

im a straight up thugged out ghetto prep - ATLANTASKI

Looting, it's the new way to buy stuff! - Jib_This
 
The American corporate mass-media is the world’s greatest practitioner of what its student Goebbels preached: repeating simple-minded lies over and over for months and years, until the lies take on a life of their own and all the American sheeple repeat them unthinkingly as commonly accepted “facts�.

 
enter: george orwell

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Silly Rabbits. Pink is for cheese! –stevexs2

i love watching people get nutted. i hate seeing naked fat people getting the box munched - BallinBU

numbers are for jewish investment bankers - sleezemcfly

im a straight up thugged out ghetto prep - ATLANTASKI

Looting, it's the new way to buy stuff! - Jib_This
 
a lot of the time these i hate america threads seem to come from some kid rambling on about irrelevent stuff, but in this case lordpilot does seem to have a point. The rights set down in the consitution are there for a reason and cant be just set aside. Is this the start of a fourth reich? No, not at all but like JD_May said it is a bit of a jump back to the days of Mcarthy and the communist scare,

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Repin the CMP

'Emancipate yourself from mental slavery none but ourselves can free our minds'

~Bob Marley~

 
everyone-piot is far from stupid. he may be a little radical in his views, but we all are when it comes to politics. what he's trying to get across is the fact that you need to ask questions. if you do this, stuff like this doesn't just happen without a fight.

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If a body catch a body coming through the rye...
 
ya, it's a good point that he's bringing up. I think that people are ragging on him because in most of these threads he just posts links to articles and rarely gives his own opinions on them. I agree that people have to question the information they're given, but i'd like to hear his views on some of the issues he's posting articles about.

'hey look guys! For a dollar you can get a free condom!'

- a friend when she saw the condom dispenser in the bathroom

'We could give him milk after filling his epipen with heroin and turn him into a drug addict'

- a guy thinking of ways to get revenge on someone who is deathly allergic to milk
 
If this hit the supreme Court it will be overuled. I wouldn't have been suprised to see this out of the 9th or 5th circuit though. They have had more cases taken to the supreme court in the past couple years than andy of the other areas

 
there's lotz of good points, and ill have to agree that the police do have a hard time doing there jobs, but they shouldnt be alowed to just bust into someones house for the hell of it. I think whats worse than this is just the US 's foreign policy towards the rest of the world

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