well, cant exactly say that things have gone to shit with the netherlands due to legalization. Now it`s been legal with small amounts, under 5 grams, in germany and england for a couple of years as well. In most of the rest of europe its also a fairly relaxed view about it. small fines etc. european focus is on hard drugs. the big question though, is why you guys have so strict alcohol rules? I mean, lets see, im 16 and no way am i going to get hold of any beer. Oh yeah!, ill just hit the pipe or throw down a couple of pills instead. In europe we drink first and then some try weed etc. later. in the states it seems like the other way around. Am I wrong? norwegian ignorant.