"We have not forgotten, Mr. President."

J.D.

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http://movies.crooksandliars.com/CountDown-SpecialComment-Bush-911.wmv

I noticed a thread talking about September 11 as something forgotten, or stored somewhere. And yet that is exactly what dissenters are accused of, just as they put to good use those freedoms which came under attack five years ago. So much politicizing has occurred on this subject that it would be nice, on the anniversary of the day itself, for the memory of the victims to conquer all partisanship for at least a short time. But as ABC proved last night, with an unconscionable, arguably libelous piece of hackery, this is not to be the case. All that is left, then, in lieu of solemn remembrance repeatedly upset by the drum-beating of those in office, is editorial comment. In that spirit I urge everyone to take a look at what Keith Olbermann had to say; no, needed to say tonight. Click the link above.
 
Thank god that there are still a few people out there that actually have the initiative and bravery to search out and publicize the truth.
 
it's very true that it has taken way too long to contruct a memorial. those dead have truly not beed laid to rest until a permanent reminder of that day has been created.
 
if that's not using 9/11 for political spin then i dont know what is. While a lot of what Obermann had to say was probably true and a good point, the hipocracy is overwhelming. Things like that speech will tear up the union of the nation just as fast as he claims the president and his administration already has. Generally I do support Bush and I think he has made a lot of good decisions, but I do think that Obermann said some things that were probably true. As for the five years passing without a memorial or new building being built, five years isn't a terribly long time. I mean how many thousands of Americans died in Vietnam, and it was over 20 years before there was a memorial erected for that. I think that Kieth Obermann way overplayed and overemphasized his points about it being too long before something was built to commemerate ground zero. The lack of a monument there is not a huge deal, he just used it to put his own politcal spin on 9/11.
 
You seem to have missed the entire point... the lack of memorial was not the issue. The "empty hole" is not just literal, but metaphorical. And editorial rhetoric cannot divide a united country, no single news anchor has the power to do that, no half dozen of them together do. And yet it was done.

Olbermann offers no denials of nor excuses for his being opposed to the administration. He offers commentary when he feels that someone has done or said something unconscionable, and this week has offered a great deal of it. In that sense, it is not spin, but censure.

I suggest you look at it again, I think you overlooked something.
 
That was basically my thoughts after watching that also. That was a very nicely planned speech and he did his research but, I dont know if he realizes what he was promoting(olberman) but the scene from the twilight zone applies right there. He is just fueling the fire. And you gotta remember President Bush is just one man he's not perfect. everyone makes mistakes. I support president bush
 
That was amazing. It was by far the most important thing any newscaster has EVER said about September 11th.
 
Yes, but even as a metaphor, it lacks backing. Fine, the fact that today there is no memorial does perhaps signify that the terrorists continue to win. But a simple memorial is not what is going to win the war on terrorism. So if someone erects a memorial, then game over - we win? No. Just because a memorial hasnt been built and ground zero is still just a hole in the ground does not mean that there is nothing being done. And I didn't say that all it takes is editorial rhetoric to help divide the country. I said things LIKE that speech help divide the country. Things like that could be said in congress and they certainly would have more of an effect than anything Kieth Olbermann has to say.

As for censure not spin, I think that that is a pretty weak argument. Sure, it is centure but it is also spin. What is it put on the air for if it is not meant to persuade anyone that watches it to agree with what is said? I simply think that Kieth Olbermann's attempt to convince people is neither unbiased nor helpful.
 
Okay, you're still missing it. The idea is that there is nothing there, not that there should BE something there. He said it explicitly: there is an open wound in the nation symbolized by what has not been done at Ground Zero, by what has not been done since that day, by promises unfulfilled, zeal turned to laziness, and a country of united citizens who were Americans first and democrats or republicans second turned to bitterly antagonistic factions. It may be fuel to the fire to say something about it, it may exacerbate the situation, but it needs to be said.

And if you know K.O. well, you know that his comments are rarely if ever arguments intended to sway; rather, they are pointed criticisms intended to shame a particular individual. Those who will agree with him do not need to be convinced by him.
 
I understood your point and I thought that was pretty powerful when he said it was an open wound to our country I agree something should be done. But that was a pretty biased speech
 
okay so what if there is nothing there? Yes, it symbolizes the open wound, but Olbermann is the only one focused on that. I bet no one even noticed that until he pointed it out. No one passes ground zero thinking that the terrorists wouldn't be winning now if there was not still just a hole in the ground. Sure, it symbolizes the nation's continued vulnerability, but the symbol's importance is miniscule. Sure it's a valid point that as long as there is a gaping hole that is "still just a background for a photo opp" (of which he definately took full advantage) but all K. O. does to point out the problems with what has not been done, rather than point out what has been done, is to fuel the fire and divide the nation even more.

And yes, I am quite familiar with Olbermann's criticisms of individuals and i get the same feeling that he is trying to sway the masses with political propaganda even though much of it is filled with good points and observations. Olbermann definately has a lot of talent and is a very good speech writer (assuming he does write his own material, which i assume he does) and I agree with a lot of what he has to say. But I think that he was out of line this time and I think that all that was said in that speech went to the cause of everything that he criticized.
 
Oh I don't think anyone in their right mind could say it wasn't biased. But you can, of course, be biased against something for a good reason.
 
True. I just found it ironic that he shows the clip from the twilight zone. He is just adding the fuel. This is my take he tried to spin it so that the terrorists were the aliens letting us destroy our selves and the attacks were just the accelerant but, he is just one of the humans pointing the finger adding the fuel for the fire to burn. I just thought that was kind of funny
 
Why is it that people only think something is biased if it differs to their own point of view?

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something is biased if there is an agenda behind it. I agree with a lot of things reported on fox news. Is fox news biased? yes they are. agreement and bias have nothing to do with eachother provided you are a reasonable individual and are not completely ignorant.
 
lol. I hope you realize just how big this memorial is. There is going to be 5 seperate towers (including one bigger then the twin towers), a subway, and also, a panel of 13 people has to choose a good memorial plan from over 5,200 entrys.
 
I havent watched the videos( mainly cause i have dial up) but one thign mentioned several times was about there being no memorial or how there has to be a memorial before those people can rest. well i am here to say i dont htink there should be a memorial(at least not on the level everyone wants.

i visited NYC a couple months ago for work. i was therefor a little over 24 hours. For a few hours before my flight i decided to go walk around lower manhattan. I hopped off the subway at a random stop and walked over a couple blocks (really having no idea where i was going) i came upon ground zero. it took my breath away, it is literalla big whole in the ground there is a fence surronding it where you can look through. on the fence are plaques and things detailing the events of the day. to me this was extremely movign all the peopl walking around just stopped. For downtown manhattan that is amazing. just the feeling in the air around there is unimaginable. i was not close to the situatiuon that happened that day really at all i was just glueds to the tv but being there i was absolutely overcome. it was very hard not to break down in tears.

i feel that a monument will take away from the truely big picture of what really once stood there to stare across the hole and see how truely big it was gives a better feeling as to what was lost. just to put another nig building in its place no matter how different of magnificent will just blend right in with the landscape of manhatan. this is only my opinion and doesnt really go with the rest of the theme of the thread and for that i apologize, but this was as good of a place as any to put it.
 
political cult...

needs members that like to post things like this, even though this was already posted in there
 
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