Was Darwin Wrong?

'Why are there apes still?' Adaptation. We (humans) had a genetic mutation for the better (Not all mutations are bad) We arose from a similar lineage but our surroundings could be different increasing or decreasing the rate at which a species evolve. For example, right now they still believe that humans came from Africa. Apes in this area may have lived in a different environment than other apes. These apes go through changes over years and years and soon evelove into the whole cormagnum man, etc... But the other apes may not have needed to adapt to their environment so they didn't evolve.

A theory is not an educated guess (thats a hypothesis) A thoery is a generally accepted principle that can not be proven OR disproven. They are a work in progress subject to change or slight adjustments.

And to the response about the DNA and Lamarcks theory. Your DNA won't magically change based on your views, life experiences, etc... IF your DNA changed in some way than it would ultimately lead to death as your white blood cells would recognize the anomly and take it out. Blueprints don't change in your body, if they do then its like cancer.

Good topic tho, its nice to see people not bashing ideas arrogantly but instead debating with knowledge.

 
the way they explained a theory in the national geographic issue this month is that it is a guess baised on observations which can be can not be proven or disproven. As you said before but just different wording.

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Recheck that cause thats the definition of a hypothesis 'A provisonal explanation for observations that is subject to continual testing and modification. If well supported by evidence, may become a theory' Thoery 'An explanation fo some natural phenomenon with a large body of supporting evidence; theories must be testable by experiments and/or observations, such as the plate tectonic theory'

 
i believe that god created evolution. the whole evolution thing would have me sold except for the fact that darwin once looked at a human eye and realized that evolution could not make such an amazing thing. thats just my 2 cents at least

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Why couldn't evolution make 'such an amazing thing' like an eye? Single celled organisms evolved and eventually became multi-celled organisms and so on and so on... isn't that enough to explain the evolutionary theory?

 
To everyone who refer to christians and creationists as one, they are NOT. sure, some christians are creationists, but most aren't. Creationism in its 'truest' sense is nonsense. Things were set out to occur as they did and evolution or speciation occurs. You people who bash God all the way have no background facts on the opposing point of view. To all of you who dismiss a God, and dismiss the fact that things were created, who the hell created the originally dense mass that the big bang originated from, and that the entire scientific community believes? it didn't just occur, but those are things that no one can answer, but those of you you are anti-god, what is your possible answer to that?

To those of you who don't believe in God:

a) why do you believe in satan, or the devil, when he is a deviation from God...

b) why the hell do you exist as a human being on Earth, do you consider your entire existance one big fluke? is your life and purpose of being a fluke of nature or what?

Have some purpose in life and know why you are here, or at least try to understand what you are doing

 
another theory also suggests that we didnt just start evolving in africa. the theory that suggests we did is the eve theory modern humans evolved in africa and all other forms of archaic humans like neandertals died out. the other one is the multiregional theory where we evolved in several spots and spread taht way

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oh and some one that says dinosours didnt exist.. but in the bible it mentions them co existing with humans... and like what about the term dragons that the kings had faught in the mideavil times.. liek the term dinosours never came into play untill like 1990(not sure if it's the acctual date but it was between the ninteen hundreds some time) and thats another fact.. unless that the people were lying when they said they had faught dragons... but i beleive that dinosours co existed with the human beings and no its not liek the flinstones i mean that the dinosours were just trying to hide from the human nature cause their basiciolly just large lizards with small brains. some dinosours had smaller brains than humans.. that or they all didim not quite sure how big their brains claimed to be but they arent that big.. but for example the ogopogo and the loch ness monster those could be very well be dinosours trieing to hide from the culture of humans... and another thing of evolution is the sasquatch... it might be hoax but it also might be a the truth to the linking of humans evolving from a strand of apes... like some one stated before that we didnt evolve from apes.. we evolved from a strand that were like apes.. the one thing that i really hate is when people make decisions before they know all the facts as the can which is why i made this tread so that people know some of the facts so they dont jst say.. no i dont beleive in the theory of evolution cause its ony a theory and theorys are peoces of information that people grab from no where... a totally untrue statement.. and some religieons try and back up their storys that the eart was made in seven days... might be a true story but there was no human around during the time.. so how would they know.. was it a story bassed down from georation to genoration.. that god spoke to adam and eve... well i'm not for any side i'm just stateing facts.. or ideas that i have which i feel every one should hear... i'm not going ot try and change peoples ideas just trying to make them think

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very good points. humans did co-exist with large dragon/dinosaur like animals. i have heard some amazing lectures on this, in church even. you are very good at fascilitating this conversation sxmarty6, good job.

 
I never said dinosaurs didn't exist, a creationist i was arguing with said they never did. And they have 'missing links' from evolution. Check Page 62 of the book Psycology- The Science of Behaviour, by Neil R. Carlson etc. It has a list of different variations of the human species from A. afarenis to Homo sapiens. It lists 6 different species of humans. Explain what happened to these otehr species and what humans did evolve from and I will be happy. But you can trace the links back to ape-like animals. Maybe is wasn't apes as we know today that we evolved form, but it was deffitely an animal that looked extremely similar, if you compare the skull structures.

 
yah i know, i am able to retain any informative or information that i seem to think is useful... but i cant remember my home phone number some times its weird... oh and i didnt hear that thing in chuch my friend's dad had some tapes and one day it was the only thing worth watching at his house so we watched it... it was acctuiolly quite entertaining

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you know i also knew that and i didnt read that book but i have read that some where and i dont know where but it was like the cave men or something like htat that they know that humans decended from animals like apes but might not have been apes because the bone structures in the skull and every where else are similar.. i might have seen it on the discovery channel some time... but you know whats weird is the egyptians... i don think they have ever found any traces of bones that were similar humans but werent homosapians(people)because havent those people been around forever and they have never found any traces of any thing linking to out creation when their race is most unknown of all liek how they lived or built their pyrimids.. like there are ideas of how they made them... but theres alway that small peice of the puzzel that is most hard to find ant it is concrete evidence(SP?)

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As a matter of fact, I believe our existance is a big fluke. Considering the size of our galaxy and the universe... considering we've never met any other lifeforms aside from the ones on earth... I think it's not far out to believe that our existance is fluke. I also think that it was one big fluke that your sperm happend to be the one to win the race.

The whole thing is, we'll never know. People can believe what they like. It's the fact that we can never find that missing peice of the puzzle that leads us to all these theories (obviously). You can point out little problems with the 'evolution' theory IMO the problems with the theory that god created everything has more problems.

Nobody commented on my statement earlier about protons, neutrons and electrons not being able to be created, aside from the 2 exceptions I mentioned. If I'm not on acid and this is a proven theory then wouldn't that instantly prove the theory that god created everything false?

As somebody said earlier, both theories have their inconsistancies (SP?) but I personally believe that the theory that god created man has far more inconsistancies. More of it possibly being speculation as well.

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here you fuckers go:

BIBLE SAYS: Earth is a little over 6000 years old. Fossils found to be older are placed here by Satan. All life and Earth created by deep voice in the sky in 6 days.

SCIENCE SAYS: Earth is 6,000,000,000 years old. Life started 4,500,000,000 years ago. Fossils from previous animal species. Humans evolve from apes, 'missing' links: 100s of known links such as the 10 different species of 'Cavemen' like neandrathals.

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People that have never took a biologie class belives in God's creation.

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I think that Tak hit the nail on the head. Darwins theroy is probaly not 100% correct, But it is far more resonable and belivable, for most people, than any other theroy out there. Darwin is the best way we have of explaining where we, and all other living things came from. Plus, if it wasnt for darwin, we would have never been blessed with the darwin awards, which have provided me with contless laughs and hours of entertainment.

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ok, WHAT THE FUCK IS THE MOUSE SHIT.

Darwins theory of evolution states that it takes hundreds of thousands of generations for an actual change to take place. 20 mice? What the fuck does that prove.

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they have proven evoltuon with fruit flies, because fruit flies have very short life spans and high reproductive rates. It is impossible to refute evolution.

 
^I did that shit this year. I got a rotten pair that was swarming with fruit fly maggots. Put it in a jar, in a few days it was crawling with adults. There are special varieties such as white eyed, small windged ones. Never got an albino adult thought.

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Both creation and darwins theory are just that theroies, neither can be scientificlly proven. (chemisty is based on theory since they cant see what there talking about, even the most powerful microscops see electrons, Same as the big bang theory, which is obviously incorrect, unless our laws of physics or incorrect (check which way uranus rotates compared to the rest of the solar system if your smart youll know what im talkin bout). So for no im gonnna go with faith and beleive in god.

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Roy, learn what you're talking about. I don't talk about religious facts becuase I don't know any. As for evolution, I know somethign about that. Science is proven, there are theories, but also many many facts. Are you going to argue thatelectrons don't exist, you can't ,they've proven they do. Are you goign to say that when you mix water and sodium, an exothermic reaction does not take place? You try to prove religion before you try to disprove evolution, not to mention stating that science has no factual basis.

 
Petek, the mouse point is that genetic change can be fully expressed in about 20 generations of mice. It takes longer for genetic expression to happen in organisms with more chromosomes simply because a stray error has more of a chance to happen in the chromosomes that have no external expression (which are about 95% of the chromosomal material in humans if you added it all up).

Say you have 1000 mice living in a laboratory. Now, these mice are all run through an obstacle course. Say that only 100 can complete it. If you now take these 100 mice and breed them, you'll get say 120 out of 1000 mice that all have these 'strong' mice genes in them. Now, keep running the obstacle course and eleminating the mice that dont make it. If the experiment is run long enough through enough generations, the ratio of mice born that have the 'strong' gene will increase, from 100 the first time, to 120 the second, so on and so forth, until its nearly 1000 out of 1000. Thus, by doing this you have selected the 'strong' mice gene out of the general mice genetic pool, and therefor have induced selective breeding and evolution. If you keep running this test, the mice that have genetic errors that code for greater strength will be bred more often that mice without, and you will eventually have a seperate species of super strong obstacle course running mice. This process usually takes about 20 generations or so to become evident (thereby having a ratio of strong mice out of all births that is nearly 1/1)

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just a lil correction to someones earlier post. Earth is 4.5 billion years old and the first single celled organisms are believed to have show up about 3 billion years ago.

And to the mice thing. That makes no sense. It disproves Lamarcks theory kind of but definately not darwins. Evolution occurs as an adaptation to the environment. Cutting off a mouses tail has no affect on the animals genes. Second, 20 generations of mice is nothing. It takes a rediculous amount of time for a species to evolve to their surroundings. (thousands of generations)

to test this theory better they need a better experiment. For example, slowly changing the environment to a less oxygenated one. I bet at the end of thousands of generations the dna will have changed so that they do not need as much oxygen to produce ATP. (ATP is what our cells use as energy; made best with aerobic respiration). I think an experiment like this or a similar one may prove Darwin's Theory.

I am unsure of this part (I am a christian tho, so i probably should know this.) WHat part of the bible mentions fossils and the age of the earth? I would like to readover this for my own info.

To the idea about creation of neutrons and fission/fusion etc.. Protons are not destroyed during this process. They are fused with another proton to make a new element i.e. H ->He Matter cannot be destoryed. It can only be converted. So even if they brake down an electron, the electron would break into smaller particles like neutrinos,etc.. (i don't know too much about quarks, neutrinos, anti-protons, etc.. so please fill me in if you know a lot about these things.)it is only converted into something else.

 
If you break down a neutron, proton or electron, you basically find that each is made up of a varying amount of even smaller particles that have spin. There are eight types of spin i think, and that the interactions between these different types of spin on other particles with different spin assign neutrality, positivity and negitivity to the 3 main atomic particles we have discovered.

Its been postulated that if you break down these spiining particles even further, you get long strands that vibrate (thus creating the spin of each particle), but this is getting into String Theory and to accept string theory you also have to subscribe to having 5th, 6th and 7th elementary dimensions, which apparently these strings would exist in (Thus, strings would be kind of like the most basic particle you can go down to, any smaller and you pop into another kind of dimension because going any smaller just doesnt physically work in our 4 dimensions).

If anyone is kinda interested and would like to know more, ask your physics teacher at school sometime, or read stephen hawkings 'Universe in a Nutshell'. It has lots of pictures.

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Okay well i read most of this but not all so if someones already said this i apologize

Science and Religion can work hand in hand, people just don't give it a chance. i think everyone one of you should read the dan brown book Angels and Demons and then see what you think. The whole idea is that light and darkness wasnt created until what the third or fourth day, so therefore how long were the first and second, they could have been billions of years which scientists arguem the creation of plants and animals by god can work hand in hand with evolution stated by darwin. I know both theories and i dont waste my time pondering where i came from, life is too short for it to make a difference, however i think Angels and Demons gave me a good look at the world today and how we argue without really looking into the facts

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Microevolution (genetic variation, specie adaptation) is a PROVEN, observed fact. Macroevolution (apes-->humans) is NOT.

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a) why do you believe in satan, or the devil, when he is a deviation from God...

b) why the hell do you exist as a human being on Earth, do you consider your entire existance one big fluke? is your life and purpose of being a fluke of nature or what?'

*note I don't believe in a CHRISTIAN god.

A.) I hope you don't know anyone who believes in Satan but doesen't believe in God. In other words, I don't.

B.) A purpose? If your looking for the evolutionary answer, it is to reproduce. Personally, it's to have fun and experience what there is to experience. There being no mystical creator doesen't mean people can't have purpose in their life.

Also, don't assume becuase someone 'bashes the Bible' that they don't 'know there facts'. You ask for how 'stuff' was created in the beginning? Nobody claims to know.

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^are you saying 1000 fruit fly generations is different than 1000 human generation? Because they have evolved fruit flies, and that owuld be macroevolution, so it exists.

 
there is a fine line there but the change in fruit flies means it is still a fruit fly. its when it becomes a completely different species is when macroevo. takes place

 
One thing that should maybe be pointed out is that the best proof for evolution lies not in its perfections, but in its flaws. You take things like our hearts, or our knees or our spines, which are all fucking terrible from the perspective of an engineer/creator. If we were created by a god it was a slap-dash effort at best, and why the hell did he put an appendix into us?

One famous biologist (I can‘t remember who, Gould maybe?) was once asked if he could ask one question of god, what would it be, and his question was something along the lines of “What‘s the fascination with beetles?� Because there are millions of species of beetle (it used to be about 25% of named species or something like that). Basically they are just an extremely successful form of life.

And on the whole issue of transitional forms (or missing links or whatever you want to call them) in point of fact there have been some (I would even say many {all things considered}) found, with the most famous example being the archaeopteryx (sic?), which is a fucking weird looking dinosaur with stacks of feathers, and is a transitional species between birds and reptiles. Or another (less well know perhaps - though in some ways equally as important) transitional species are the ones with the double jaw joint (this is important because reptiles have multiple lower jaw bones and mammals have one).

Another animal which has excellent fossil records is the horse…or equines or whatever they’re called.

Even humans have a very good fossil record (which has just been improved in the last few days by the remarkable discovery of Homo floresiensis), going right back to the Australopithecines.

Though in my opinion it is pretty remarkable that we have any fossils at all, let alone the detailed records that exist. Anyone who spends a bit of time outdoors will know how fast a dead animal will decompose, so an animal dying and being fossilised is a pretty rare occurrence. There will always be some gaps in fossil records.

I should probably mention punctuated equilibrium here, but I really can't be fucked. Look it up yourselves.

People don’t understand the philosophy of science. Karl Popper showed long ago that nothing can be wholly proved or disproved, even in principle, I can say that Santa Claus exists and not a single one of you can actually disprove me. Though of course that doesn’t mean he exists…

 
And you also cant forget embryology. As humans develop, in the early stages, we look like exactly the same as a fish, a pig, a horse and a bear look when they are at about the same stage in their development. As we continue to develop, if i remember Bio correctly, we grow things that we do not have when we are born. Gills, for example, are somthing which each and every one of us has had as a baby, its why our ears are connected to our trachia. Fish have gills, is not this some kind of conection? could this not mean that somewhere in our long genetic history we were infact fish? It is the same as our tailbones. We do not have tails, so why these bones? Even our hair is not usefull to us anymore. What does it do? nothing. It is vestigial and shows us a possible linkage between us and our genitic past. By looking at our vesticial features we can find connections. Whales for example, have a hip bone. They have no legs. Why would god have giving a whale hip bones? they serve absolutly no purpose. You would think that if somthing was all knowing and created all life, that the somthing wouldnt make mistakes. Right?

As another intresting point, our hair, and all hair for that matter, is suspected to be mutated scales. It is composed of exactly the same protien's as scales. Scales... Gills... doesnt one plus one does equal two?

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^good points. I don't know how you could look at species like flying fish, finches, animals that turn white in the winter. And a beautiul species of flower that acutual has evolved to look unbelievable similar to a certain female species of wasp, so that the male wasp tries to mate with it, and suddenly the flower has a touch sensitive reaction, and deposites a sac of pollen onto the back of the male wasp via a whip like stem, so the wasp can spread pollen to other flowers.

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1) what language is spoken in heaven?

2) if there is a god where did he come from

3) where are all the half evolved apes?

you see, the problem is, all you guys do is hype yourself and argue, while smuggs just makes sweet beanies, and doesnt even pretend to be a company.

-freezed
 
all the 'half evolved apes' would be australopithicines and other species from about 4 million years ago. they have isnce died out. read a first year anthropology text book and it will give you a great idea of evolution

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as far as god goes i believe he as looked as infinte, never beginning never ending but i am not sure because i am not religious

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Religion is not a theory, its a faith. Evolution is a theory.

How can you tell the difference? A theory can be proven wrong, and you simply cannot know that god doesnt exist because it is beyond our comprehension as humans.

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to me it boils down to:

religion-in the beginning god...

evolution-in the beggining, a ball of dirt and gas...

they both come down to faith, and i would rather place my faith in god.

-Joel

'I was in the waiting room of my doctor's office before a physical this morning. There's nothing wrong with me, but healthy people get physicals just-for-the-hey-of-it every couple of days. When they finally mispronounced my name, I got up and walked down a hall with a nurse. After a while, the doctor came in and inspected my holes. He said that I should lose weight and consider stop smoking. I blew smoke in his face and explained that he is a douche bag. We all had a good laugh and he agreed.' -Skydaddy
 
you people were talking about the life span of flys... did any one ever hear about how they have been delaying the birth of fruit flys and they have been living long and longer everytimet hey did it?.. they know have fruit flys that live up to X10 the regular life span.. do you not call that evolution.. because i sure as hell do.. they also say that if humans keep delaying reproduction that some time in the future we will have a life expectancy of around 150 to 200 years, and that we may even reach a point where people may never dye... plus on another note they have also descovered that the reason people die is because it is a gene(Sp?) i beleive this becasue if you think about it DNA is a program for us and it programs what we look like and how we react to things.. but i have to get back to work i would expand but no time.

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we can't deny that natural selection doesnt happen, because its very possible, so over time, its very likely. However, what is the basic form of evolution? what did everything evolve from? just one single cell? if so, what environment, predator, or competing speices were there for it to evolve? what food for it to eat?

God is so much more reasonable

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Oh yeah saying someone magically created the entire world in 6 days is much more reasonable....

Anyone who doesnt believe in evolution is simply an idiot. Theres no point in argueing it anymore. Youre a moron if you dont believe humans evolved from apes, I mean christ there is fossilized evidence of this. Why else would humans and gorillas share something like 96% of the same DNA???

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good points. if you believe that such a complex system as the human body, millions of electric pulses being processed by the brain for every single thing you do, came from one single cell, that i think is crazy. and that cell would just have become a living being from space dust(carbon, nitrogen, other elements). why would dust decide to turn into a living cell?

'People that have never took a biologie class belives in God's creation'

-this is just pure bullshit, and if you actually believe that, then i have much pitty for you.

'here you fuckers go:

BIBLE SAYS: Earth is a little over 6000 years old. Fossils found to be older are placed here by Satan. All life and Earth created by deep voice in the sky in 6 days.

SCIENCE SAYS: Earth is 6,000,000,000 years old. Life started 4,500,000,000 years ago. Fossils from previous animal species. Humans evolve from apes, 'missing' links: 100s of known links such as the 10 different species of 'Cavemen' like neandrathals.'

-you are out to lunch. as someone has already corrected your facts, i won't bother doing that. Is that your own little interpretation of the bible? pure literal understanding, a deep voice? The earth was not created 6000 years ago, and there are not many people in this day and age that believe this to be a literal meaning. Take some geology courses and learn your facts better. as far as i am concerned i would rather have faith in god, than dust(as most people do).

to the dude who likes talking about the atomic particles:

-where did the original matter to create the universe come from? The most educated scientists believe it was created, as is taught worldwide (but this is not taught until university level for some reason). The universe is expanding which can be seen by phase shifts in light from stars, you either get a red or blue shift in the spectrum according to if a source is moving away or towards the recording device. this is like a doppler effect, very simple stuff.

-uranus' spin is opposite true, and that is used as part of the continuing theory of the universe creation. uranus, it is believed, had a collision with a large satellite ('moon') or another planetismoid, causing it to spin in the opposite direction. Due to gravititational and magnetic forces, once uranus was hit hard enough to change its spin, it stayed in that configuration, just like when you launch a satellite from earth at the right trajectory, it will get into orbit, and keep rotating around earth without any internal forces. it moves by the forces of the universe.

-God and evolution do fit together, (it depends on your definition of evolution), and those who are actually educated in both realms, i would like to hear from you.

 
i would say that shows proof of a common designer.

-Joel

'I was in the waiting room of my doctor's office before a physical this morning. There's nothing wrong with me, but healthy people get physicals just-for-the-hey-of-it every couple of days. When they finally mispronounced my name, I got up and walked down a hall with a nurse. After a while, the doctor came in and inspected my holes. He said that I should lose weight and consider stop smoking. I blew smoke in his face and explained that he is a douche bag. We all had a good laugh and he agreed.' -Skydaddy
 
i just want to ask all the people here interested in physics: do you believe in occam's (sp?) razor? (for all of you who do know, it states that the answer is the easiset solution) random genetic mutations are not the simplest solution. any theory would require an independant being. whether it be a god or a dust particle. ill get a book on this when i can, cant remember the title right now

humans developed at the same time, genetically similar enough to be one species, and the chances are pretty good that that happened? wtf???

also, you say that fossilsprove the age of the earth, but they don't. the man who created carbon dating even said it was inaccurate for dating items over a few hundred years. there was a guy up above who said that its wierd fossils developed considering how fast things decompose. this is where the flood comes in, 1000s of tons of dirt suddenly poured down will create the mold, and the body will decompose inside that.

i do believe in dinosaures, i believe there are some species living today even. a guy in our church is a creationist apologist, whos also a respected christian cryptozologist. he's done many presentations for my church and youthgroup. he's also done trips to africa to look foor reported 'dragons' in the congo area. soon he'll be going to look for the arcyoptyrx in polynesia. so dont say christians dont believe in dinosaures (some just reject anything an evolutionist says, which is just as wrong as accepting it all)

Why couldn't evolution make 'such an amazing thing' like an eye? Single celled organisms evolved and eventually became multi-celled organisms and so on and so on... isn't that enough to explain the evolutionary theory?

um, the theory cant be used to explain itself, the theory states that happened, thats not proof it did

BIBLE SAYS: Earth is a little over 6000 years old. Fossils found to be older are placed here by Satan. All life and Earth created by deep voice in the sky in 6 days.

Bible says:

earth created in 4113 BC +/- 50 yrs (due to the way the dates are (ie, 50 yrs= 50 yrs and 1 day, or 50 years and 364 days?) and there are 50 dates used for this, (the math is there, takes a little patience) so, about 6000 yrs.

fossils come from the universal flood, as stated above

God spoke exisence into being

the thing that always make me say, 'wtf' about creationism and in turn religion... Correct me where I'm wrong, I might be a tad off but I think I'm on the right track. Protons, Electrons and Neutrons cannot be created or destroyed. Except in the case of nuclear fision and nuclear fusion. (Is that right?) That's been proven. Therefor how could everything be 'created'?

ok, ill correct you, a god that created the laws of physics, as well as time and matter and is outside those laws of physics, could create and destroy protons neutrons and electrons. its a good arguement, but doesnt reason why a god couldnt do it. it does however refute the theory that somehow the super atom came into existence by merely appearing, and that matter can condense to the point that it disapears, then can somehow reappear as it expands (a theory that is not on here yet, but i have read in several magazines)

ok, im done

-Joe

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Evolution is a theory, but so is creationalism. You really cant definently prove either, but for me, evolution just explains more and is more concurrent with the universes age and relitive laws.

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yeah, have you ever heard the 'Law of Conservation of matter'? Matter can neither be created nor destroyed in a chemical or physical change. That would mean that the amount of matter existing today would have to have been existing forever. ie, God created the Universe

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I was in the petting zoo, or as I like to call it, the touch me zoo this afternoon. All the animals were retarded. Some lady was breast feeding her baby on a bench nearby, an obvious signal. I sat down uncomfortably close to her and yawned my arm around her shoulder. In her attempt to squirm away, she dropped her baby on the ground. I pretended I was concerned for a second, then I punted it over the fence. She still didn't seem interested in me. Whatever.

 
^^the God of the Christian Bible and evolution do NOT fit together, spend 2 min and read Genesis 1, you'll find that the wording leaves no room for Biblical evolution

ok, i found the dates for the beginning of the earth, the basic dates are as follows, they can be broken down even more:

-976 BC- Salomons reign (even secular scholars aree to this date)

-480 yrs before that - the children of israel leave egypt (IKings 6:1)

-430 years before that, the family of jacob moves to egypt

-290 yrs-abraham to jacob

- 1946 years -adam to terrah (father of abraham)

= 4113 BC (+/- 25 years) (the above was a mistake when i went to check for this math)

-Joe

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'Really, I gotta say that I'm glad you exist, 'cause if there wasn't there'd be noone to make fun of and diss.'

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Member Number: 5172

Golden Wheel Chair Award 2004-09-21

 
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