War with iran

I wasn't born when they dropped those bombs on japan, so I can't say for sure if they accually knew what it would do. But either way, they were expecting a big boom and it worked because it crippled the japanese into surrender.
 
no we should have started to rethink our stance on the middle east, aka get the f out of there. terrorists don't like us there, so it would be logical to just stay out so as to avoid conflict. i think they realize taht the only reason we bother with the middle east is for oil. so yea time to take money out of war and into alternate energy source. cause im thinking this whole huge conflict that we have going started because the United States is all over the middle east looking for oil. it all spurs from differences in culture. they don't like americans there, because they see that they are doing something evil: taking advantage of countries for oil. we would not be too happy if some muslim extermists/taliban came over and started chillin in the countryside starting terrorist cells.
 
if Osama did indeed do it we should have sent 50k marines into afghanistan along with the full support of our air force and destroyed him. then gotten the fuck out. not gone into the wrong country,install our own kind of governent and start conflicts with other surronding middle east countries(syria,Iran,Lebanon,etc etc). then when we got done with afghahistan completley revamp our security and start improving relations with other countries.
 
lol.

'Terrorist's don't like us there' holy shit that is funny. 'so it would be logical to just stay out so as to avoid conflict' we were avoiding conflit but that didn't stop them from 9|11?

'i think they realize taht the only reason we bother with the middle east is for oil.' yeah because we've got so much now and the prices are soo low, also it was worth it considering all the money we spent fighting them, uh huh.

'they don't like americans there, because they see that they are doing something evil: taking advantage of countries for oil. we would not be too happy if some muslim extermists/taliban came over and started chillin in the countryside starting terrorist cells.' Kind of like terrorist's come to america to sell drug's to support themselves over in the middle-east?
 
We DID send people into afghanistan, It's not as easy as 'boom boom ok he's dead' we have to watch out for civilians. They use tactics called 'Geurrilla' fighting. After we rooted out alot of terrorists in Afghanistan we turned our intentions on Iraq (alot of terrorism there, aswell.) and we are solving that problem right now until their government is strong enough to take down any terrorist organizations in Iraq.
 
Oh and the whole Syria/Lebannon/Israel thing didn't involve the U.S. (Physically, anyway) and wasn't started because of the U.S. And correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the leader of Iran SAY he hated the U.S. and was intending on destroying us?
 
WOW you have no fucking clue what your talking about, im not even going to bother debating this.
 
Proove me wrong? Anybody can say 'lol your stupid I'm not even going to respond to that'
 
Actually, no he didnt. He actually wants diplomatic relations with the US.

It's israel he wants to annihilate. Him and, well, every other country in the middle east.
 
I think Mahmoud Ahmadinjed intentions for diplomatic relations with the US is discussed in his personal letter to GWB. Also, the government(yes, there is a government in Iran) wanted to negotiate with the Americans (before the Russians accepted) a deal that would give Iran enriched uranium (not weapons grade, and no, it is not easy to convert), in exchange Iran would stand down their nuclear weapons programs and allow for inspections.

Your other rebuttle is a clear case of not comprehending the english language. What exactly are you trying to say here?
 
ummm you misread it. and second, if you think the us shouldnt be allies with israel it they want to kill muslims then maybe you should look at what they are doing now. slaughtering palestinans. what they just did in lebanon. israel is pure evil.
 
'if you think the us shouldnt be allies with israel it they want to kill muslims then maybe you should look at what they are doing now. slaughtering palestinans. what they just did in lebanon. israel is pure evil.'

exactly, the U.S. shouldn't be allies with Israel? That's what I said.

 
here is what petek said

-Actually, no he didnt. He actually wants diplomatic relations with the US.

It's israel he wants to annihilate. Him and, well, every other country in the middle east.

you said

Well if Israel really think's that then the U.S. (or any country) definantly shouldn't be ally's with them. .

iran wants to destroy israel, so do most other muslims.

 
Oh, I misread that. I don't know much about Israel's intentions so I said that because I misred what petek said.
 


"1st off, we warned them. 2nd off, we didn't realize what the effects were radiation were at the time."

That's a very hypocritical remark, Al Quaeda warns the US all the time that it's going to attack all the time. And if Iran had nukes and threatened America, saying something along the lines "of stop supplying Israel with weapons or we'll nuke you", do you think that the US government would comply? no ofcourse not.

And honestly, how can you try to justify dropping nuclear bombs on major cities? you keep refering to how bad 9/11 is, but hiroshima and nagasaki were 100s of times worse.

And i doubt you can prove that america knew soooooo little about the affects of radiation on the human body in 1945, to consider it humane to nuke hundreds of thousands of innocent japanese civilians.

"We DID send people into afghanistan, It's not as easy as 'boom boom ok he's dead' we have to watch out for civilians. They use tactics called 'Geurrilla' fighting. After we rooted out alot of terrorists in Afghanistan we turned our intentions on Iraq (alot of terrorism there, aswell.) and we are solving that problem right now until their government is strong enough to take down any terrorist organizations in Iraq."

Firstly, the war against the Taliban is far from over. Secondly, you say "we rooted out a lot of terrorists". Do you think that every member of the Taliban is a terrorist? just curious.

Thirdly, you think the reason that we went into Iraq is because there's "alot of terrorism there, aswell.". Are you aware Sir that the President himself admits that there is absolutely no link between Iraq and 9/11. So why are we in Iraq? What are you talking about when you say there's terrorism in Iraq?
 
they aren't, actually. isreal is a very small and vulnerable country because it is entirely surrounded by larger countries that absolutely hate them and want to kill them. and they want to do that because they don't think israel should be there because israelis are jewish and are surrounded by muslims, and there's the whole west bank deal. wouldn't you retaliate if you were constantly being attacked and pummeled by everyone around you? the israelis have a right to be there and there is no justice for them being treated the way they are. they are merely defending themselves.
 
I said in a earlier post 'Well, I can't be certain we didn't know the effects of radiation'.

Yes, hiroshima and nagasaki were much worse. You don't think I don't feel bad for all the people who died/live with radiation caused problems to day? of course I do. When it come's down to it, it was the Japanese government's fault for not backing out and surrenduring. Also, the bombing of Japan had a motive, solving a WORLD WAR. 9|11 was a sudden attack.

If Iran threanted the U.S. with nukes then 1st. it's a violation of the Geneva Convention, so every country would try their hardest to get rid of nuclear weapons from Iran.

Who cares there isn't a link between 9|11 and Iraq? they are terrorist's, that's a link. We aren't at war with IRAQ, we're at war with the TERRORIST'S in Iraq.
 
There is no point in arguing the the good and the bad of Israel.

We may have certain opinions, yes. Some opinions will be better educated than others, yes. Does this mean that Israel is objectively good, or objectively bad? No.

There are just too many different points of view, and rational people can sometimes disagree.
 
really? im not saying jews, im talking about the gov. look at what they did in lebanon. target on purpose civilian areas with cluster bombs? the un releases a report concluding that israel intentionaly attack that un outpost. why isnt that on the news? illegaly occupying israel and killing innocents? the list goes on and on.
 
The whole Israel/Lebannon situation is tough because alot of the Lebanese support Hezbollah.
 
please define what you think is a terrorist? do you think the US should rid the world of terrorism.
 
i think we should terrorize them like they do to us,kill innocent people for no reason and crash thier planes into their buildings. fucking towel heads
 
A terrorist is sombody who using terror attacks on other people to fight for what they believe in. Yes, the world should be rid of terrorism, I can't think of 1 reason why terrorism would be not considered bad.
 
i thought you were talking about israel as a nation is pure evil, still not the whole government was for invading Lebanon.
 
No way, that's the thing with terrorist's, they are in-humane, the U.S. should be setting an example of humane-ness in the world so one day maybe every country wouldn't be at eachother's throats.
 
No, a terror attack is like driving a car-bomb into a crowded market to kill innocent people to make other's feel terror.
 
Dude you might want to look into what actually happened in lebanon before you point fingers the way you are. The Lebanese government allowed a terrorist faction to grow and build up for years in their country. The Hezbolla had been planning to attack Israel for about 8 years. That is all they had been preparing for. It was a more of a skirmish than a war, and it was started by forces stationed in Lebanon, not the other way around.

I dont necessarily think people on here are that stupid, I just think a LOT of people on here are misinformed and using very old news and rumors as fact.
 
Furthermore, Palestine doesn't have it's own "state" so it's hard to occupy... Not to be a complete dick, but when Israel was established as a country, the Palestinians were offered an equal amount of land to start their own nation as well, and they refused to work with any Western influences. So it's their fault they dont have a country. Now, the official leading government is a known terrorist faction. I think a lot of the people on our side of the world can't seem to comprehend the fact that Israel is surrounded on all fronts. They need to guard their borders to the fullest, and the best way to avoid being absolutely crushed is pre-emptive attacks. That means not allowed anyone to reach the borders. That is why Israeli soldiers were in Lebannon. That is how you handle a country in the middle of a hornets nest. Without their policies, they could never exist.
 
why did you all even bother responding to this? these threads always go to shit, epsecially when started by someone like FTP. Please, just let it die now.
 
You COMPLETELY contradict yourself there.

You talk about being humane and that all people should have civil rights, but "terrorists" that haven't even been proven guilty, aren't allowed a trial and basic civil rights while imprisoned?

And when the just because the senate and the house approve (narrowly) the policies, doesn't mean they are the general view of the public. Just look at the approval ratings. Also, there is a fear to go against those policies for fears of being labeled "Un-American." And also, there is a big reason why the policies haven't been voted down... It's called partisanship. It's a very real problem in politics.

I am sorry though. I guess it really is okay to only want to oust a genocidal government in a region where there are major economic benefits. Who cares about the innocent people being slaughtered in Darfur. They don't have oil or precious natural resources so who gives a shit, right?

Oh, and for the record, basing your arguement around personal insults and vulgarities KILLS any credibility you may have had. So this will be my last retort in this thread, because I don't like to argue with people that don't know enough about a topic to debate civilly.

 
If it's proven that you're a terrorist, you're already guilty in my eyes. And I never said we shouldn't do anything in Darfur.
 
no. i have far left views. the hate is from people like quinny and mitch who do nothing but smear me because my sources and logic are not the same they have.
 
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