War (Rant)

PhattTim

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What the fuck man, what the fuck. What gives George W Bush the right to send the young men and women of our world to their deaths 'for their country', 'for freedom' and 'patriotism'? What God-given right does he have to send someone's father, someone's husband, someone's brother, someone's little boy, someone's best friend into another country to die for a useless cause. A war that doesn't need to be fought, a war that America has no bloody business being a part of. What the fuck is wrong with you Bush?? You're a lunatic! The blood of any of those young men who don't come home will be on your hands.

What's wrong with human nature? Since the existance of man we've killed each other and for what? Greed, discrimination, power. Even the bible says that the world must come to a premature end or man would destroy all life. Personally I can see it happening too. This planet is screwed up, the 'important' leaders of this world are retards. Sort out your God-damn differences and get along. I ain't gonna die for my country, I'll tell you that right now.

What are your guys thoughts on these issues?

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dood timmy. i agree totally. i am just glad that if there is goin to be a draft that i am not goin to be there. even though there wont be one but if there is my bro might have to go and if he does i am goin to send Bush hooked on phonics and AIDs

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fuckin problem is he is a fuckin ignorant red neck that has too much power after one attack. so he can and will abuse the power so were all basically fucked

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and he more or less would abuse power with dept. of homeland bullshit secuirty, which isnt good, but not so much on this war cause he got approval from congress. but the excuses he makes are why you get stupider by litening to him.

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The problem is there is no such thing as inate human kindness. At the most basic level, us homo-sapiens as a species are fuelled by a few very strong instincts. Self preservation is one, self gain is another.

All our 'morals' and 'values' are religious, in most of our cases, christian. Our ideas of what is right and what is wrong, are christian, and therefore differ to other religions. The problem is that too many people dont see it for what it is.

They see a Muslim stoning his wife to death and say ' In the United States (wherever) we wouldn't do that. What you are doing is WRONG'. Instead the reality is 'In the United States we wouldn't do that. What you are doing is DIFFERENT. Wow, isn't it nice that difference exists in the world'

Now I personally believe that killing another person is wrong. BUT I HAVE BEEN CONDITIONED TO BELIEVE THAT. Who am I to assert my beliefs on another person, let alone an entire population.

This is an ignorant religious war of intollerance and ignorance, and I dont think Bush realises that he is putting the rest of the world at risk but continuing on this path. I sure as hell didn't elect the fucker, and I don't want to be blown up on the London underground because of his complete misunderstanding of foreign policy.

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tori, that was the most amazingly true thing I have ever read. You know the world is a sad sad place when the world as no basic human kindness. And it is true, what right do we have to say, 'it's wrong what you're doing?'

Oh, and if theres a draft, I'm fleeing to Canada or I will spend my life in jail for treason because I REFUSE to ever be a soldier and kill other INNOCENT people.

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well i am in the u.k so i am quite detached from this. i think it is cool what those canadians are doing(weapons iinspectrors and all) that will teach the red-neck a lesson

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I think you people have more of a problem with the office of President than with Bush himself. When we elect someone president we besically grant them the power to be 'Commander of the Armed Forces', meaning our military leader, and every single president has exercised this power to some extent. I don't agree with Bush's policy decisions, and I certainly wouldn't have voted for him if I could have voted during the last election, but that doesn't mean what he is doing is worse or different than any other President. I mean every single American looks at Lincoln as a true American hero, practicaly the fucking siant of our people, and if you look at how many hundreds of thousands of boys he sent to their deaths, and how many rights he removed because of wartime- it would make what Bush is doing look like a drop of water in a river. I have many problems with America in general, and I hate many things our government does including sending Americans off to distant and pointless wars like Tim mentioned. But if you think all this is happening because George Bush happens to be our President, then you really don't understand the much deeper flaws of this country.

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Saddam Husein really should be killed. He tries killing people in his own country. There are no-fly zones in his country right now because he was trying to dump chemical weapons on the people living there.

 
Saddam Husein mayb be a fucking asshole, but so are most dictators, he's no different from the pres. of north korea(his name is slipping my name) or other dictators. In fact, osama bin laden has been quoted as saying saddam 'is the worst kind of despot'. If you kill the fucker, who's going to replace him? A fanatic most likely. And there is no reason why his people must sufer because of their leader being a fucker.

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Tori, that was beautiful, I was just going to post a huge long thing about conditioning, werd.

I was reading this morning in the news that 'the primary objective ahead of the US and Britain is to disarm Iraq...and to find an excuse for attacking Iraq.' I was shocked to read this.

And another thing. There are so many other countries out there that demand more immediate attention than the problems in Iraq. What about Korea, what about Russia, what about China, India, Pakistan, What about the Middle East? I think Bush just has a chip on his shoulder. Iraq has been a fairly quiet region for quite some time now.

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Tori, well said, and Timmy, nice job too. i'm an american, and personally, i'm disgusted that we have voted this red-neck into the largest and most important position of power that this world has ever seen. Like it or not, the US is the strongest militarily in the world. I'm glad i'm not old enough to be drafted, and the fact is that i want to move to Canada. They've never had a war in their entire history i think, and look how well they turned out. Go see bowling for columbine, you'll understand what i'm saying. Back to the point.

Sure, Saddam Hussein is a fucking madman, but in reality, we have no evidence or actual pictures of weapons of mass destructions that we say Saddam currently has. I have no doubt that Saddam has W.O.M.D., but until we find them, we are unjustly attacking another country. It's pre-emptive war, and what will that lead too?

In the olden medieval times, war was used as population control. Your enemy gets too many people, attack him os he has the same as you. Now, it's about their ideas and whether or not your country agrees with them. Who are we to say that Iraqi customs are wrong? They are their customs. I've been raised to believe that to treat women that way is wrong and horrible, but thats the way I'VE been raised. and i'm not iraqi. The iraqi don't see Americans as their angel of hope and deliverance from evil. They HATE us too. It's their country, and their customs, their way of life. Now, massively killing people with atomic weapons is not acceptable, and with that we have to act, but who are you to judge what is right and is not? George Bush is so eager to step into that role of 'God', saying what this world should be like and how it should act. People are different, lke Tori pointed out. Are you so eager to tell who should go this, who should do that, who should die, and who should live? Just think on that

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haha, right, the Crusades were fought as population control

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The crusades were Christians trying to clense other countries and turn them into Christian countries. Unfortunatley they did this by killing all the natives and populating the region with their own people.

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and stupidely, most of the people they killed on their way to Jerusalem were christians.

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why cant we all just get along and smoke a fatty

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Good rant, BUT, right now there isn't a draft.

SO, those men and women signed up to be called upon. This is what they train for...

BTW; for every responce to the thread, we should make it an entire new thread. The we can call this newschoolers.bush.com

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Yeah this war is shitty but lets look at the big picture, we live in a capitalist system,war is not the worst thing to happen. People are starving every day. People are held in jail everyday for their ideas. And the list goes on and on. This war and all that other shit is whats holding the walls up. You can't say war is shitty but at the same time be all about the very corperationms which are encouraging this bullshit.I'm not trying to attack you here but war is a product of all this. Just realize this war and all the other bullshit is what allows you to have all that you have. So until you're willing to sacrifice you need to look at what your saying.

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well, it seams in past postes that I just screw everything up when I try to add insightfull info so I'm just gonna have to aggree that Bush is a power hungry, red neck mad man.

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Dude, I never said a single thing about big corperate companies or capitalism or anything. That is completley irralevant, I was talking solely about Bush and his stupid decisions.

I usually pull out the same arguement about capitalism etc when people try to sign me up for Greenpeace and stuff like that.

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ya man, but an extension of your argument would be to say that you're against consumerism, capitalism, and really, organized government. you can't go saying that u don't like the ideals of war while sporting goods that make it possible for war to be faught.

aside from that, we as humans have evolved to this level, and as much as i like to say that bush is wrong in his actions against iraq - it's no more wrong than anything that has been done throughout history: be it war, conquest, or anything that doesn't promote a harmonious accepting lifestyle. it is possible to live equally, but in order for that to happen, all consumer items would have to be given up. do u think that more than .01% of the american populus would like to give up their shampoo?

and for the record, there have been wars in canada. although they're really not 'wars' in the true sense of the word, there has been constant conflict starting with battles between upper and lower canada, and now progressing to the divide between english and french canada.

 
or all the wars that we backed the U.S. and other so-called 'ally' countries.

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the people elected him. if he wasnt going to be a good president then why did we (yes you and me as people of the US) elect him??? he must be doing something right.

 
i think the irony of your question lies in the fact that those whom chose not to vote make up the majority. good democracy eh??

 
if you dont vote then you are ignorant. if you dont vote then you cant be expected to be listened to when you bitch.

 
how does not voting make you ignorant??? if u realize that both sides of the american political spectrum are essentially fighting for the same cause, and u decide to boycott the vote, i believe you're less ignorant than those who feel their 1 vote can change the world. ESPECIALLY considering there's no end in sight to the political monopoly economics holds.

 
well, i could go live there, but what would that accomplish? in those countries i wouldn't even have the right to express these feelings. i'm not saying that we should live in communism, i'm saying that the inequalities have to be realized.. once this sentiment is accepted, we as humans can continue to evolve positively. in the meantime, i think every step we take in our current direction is negative evolution.

 
more people voted for gore than voted for bush . . . he is not our choice . . . he is the choice of the supreme court

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Sweetcoz, I said not a thing about consumerism or capitalism. I meant nothing of the sort in my arguement. I talked a little of the ideals that drive these concepts but my rant is not related to them at all.

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i realized that when i said 'an extension of your argument...'

it boils down to this -> because you, phattim, based in new zealand, choose to drive a car, or watch a television show, or really buy any consumer good.. this gives first world corporations the opportunity to capitalize on your investment, or, minus the euphamism, exploit those in the 3rd world. this is not 100% true in every instance, but unfortunately is the case more often than not.

like it or not, we as first world citizens gain through war.. (well, gain is a relative term, but i hope that you realize what i mean)

 
Yah I see what you're saying. I don't quite agree with it entirely but I hear ya.

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svhucker... choice of the supreme court? are you serious lol.

Electoral College my friend, and there are valid reasons for it.

 
'more people voted for gore than voted for bush . . . he is not our choice . . . he is the choice of the supreme court'

okay do i need to explain to you why the popular vote isnt as important and electoral ballets?????

 
When does his term end?

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2 years...judging by his popularity though he will get re-elected. i'll vote for him. an eye for an eye kids...fuck the terrorists and rip the people of 9/11.

 
electoral ballets???? haha that sounds interesting . . . I wrote a 12 page paper on the electoral college last year; I am familiar with the institution. It was about alternatives that would all be better than the archaic system we have today. When it came down to it, it was the Supreme Court's 5-4 decision to not allow the votes to be hand counted in Florida, which gave the election to Bush. It was a political decision, with 5 conservatives voting to end the election and 4 'liberals' voting for a full count that would have given Gore the victory in all likelihood

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Tim, look at the big picture, this has everything to do with consumerism and capitalism. Don't bother arguing with me just think about it. Anyone who's arguing with sweetcoz is retarted he wins, he knows what hes talking about.

 
In your opinion maybe, remember that, YOUR opinion.

The way I see it, this has nothing to do with your 'bigger picture'.

The original topic of this discussion was actually about war in general and Bush's ego-centric actions against Iraq ignoring the protests of the International community, his own citizens and the fact that he has no excuse to attack Iraq.

I wish you guys would stop bringing up the 'capitalism' side of this because it has nothing at all to do with it. Sure a war will pump millions of dollars into the economy but that money is going to be spent anyway. It actually does more damage than good. Creating jobs that as soon as the war is over will be lost anyway. Wars lead to depressions, not economical gain.

And this war has absolutley nothing to do with consumerism. I am doing a university major in Marketing which is all about consumerism and a second major in International business so I think I am in the know when it comes to things like capitalism and consumerism okay?

Consumerism is the practise of correctly informing customers through effective and accurate packaging and marketing information. It includes honesty and sufficient safety standards on products and product marketing. It is also the theory that an increasing consumption of goods is economically beneficial which of course, it is. There you have it, consumerism has absolutley bum-fuck to do with a war on Iraq.

I wish you guys would actually get some support and correct terminology for your arguements instead of milking off what other people say. Half the time you don't have a clue what you're damn well saying. - This does not apply to sweetcoz coz he actually has an ounce of intelligence.

Some tips for a sensible arguement in this kind of thread:

1) Get your fucking 'facts' straight

2) Learn what those words you're going to use actually mean

3) Make sure you can back up your arguement

4) Say what YOU think not what someone else thinks

5) Be prepared to argue your case.

6) Someone is not wrong just because you think you are right.

7) Learn how to spell.

8) Don't patronise people who obviously know a whole shit-load more about some things than you do.

That is all

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The people going to fight in Iraq, are soldiers.

They are trained, and paid to engage in battles. To tell you the truth, most of those people fighting in Iraq, whether the President sends them or not, WANT to go over seas and fight.

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Hey flanker, I was going to write the same thing. Using soldiers is WAY different than starting a draft. This is their job, and they will be putting their talents to use. Do you people realize that our equipment, more than ever, is automated? Loss of US life is not going to be a factor. Am I a heartless bastard? I don't think so. As much as I don't like to see the US being the world's police, somebody's got to step up and take care of things.

 
your right on with that one man. of course you are gonna be scrutinized when you are the number one super power. people think everything you do have some sort of imperialistic pre-emptive agenda. lets blow the fuck out of iraq.

 
So I take it that a lot of you don't like Bush very much. Well I don't mind him, I am actually feeling kinda safe in the US right now. I think he has been handling the situation pretty good. I mean would you rather have Gore in office. I think we would all be dead right now if he was in charge. Remember this is just my opinion, so don't get all pissed off, it is just an argument. Later.

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tim - as much as i hate to say it, the war right now, as well as the gulf and vietnam wars are all about keeping our capitalistic ways while attempting to stop the spread of tyranny and communism. this goes all the way back to mccarthyism during the second world war.

why did lyndon johnson go into vietnam in the first place? beacause staunch capitalists were afraid of communism. then 10 odd years later, there was no end in sight to the war.. a heap of soldiers had died, so the US pulls out.

then the gulf war, well it was not so much focused on capitalism, but was fueled by the notion of controlling other people for the sake of keeping our same lifestyle.

so now, there is another conflict.. that threatens our first world way of life. it's all a struggle for power that revolves around having the money to fight.

to further the notion of consumerism - i don't think it's as prevalent in new zealand, but maybe it is. anyways, the more multinational companies that are allowed into your country, the more the notion of consumerism as a culture spreads. what are we gonna do tonight? well, let's watch tv. and while we watch tv, we'll get ideas for the wonderful things we can buy: like fleece pullovers from old navy! that's what everybody is wearing now, so we better get ours. with increased consumerism, all other cultures get saturated, and people all start acting alike. it's sad, but it's the first world everybody loves, right?!

 
buck490 is also right on target. if gore was in office we would being worrying soley about the economy and not defense. he would just want to enact peace treaties and other touchy feely policies to combat against what happened on 9/11. bush is a kick ass president who isnt afraid to kick ass.

 
Consumerism as you talked about it there (sweetcoz) is correct. Things like telecommunications, internet, mass-comercialisation and even this website are all contributing to the merging of the worlds' different cultures. The cultures of this planet are all slowly combining so the number of actually different cultures is declining while the frequency of sub-cultures is very very rapidly exploding.

I can also see now why people were confused earlier. We have been talking about two very different topics as one. Capitalism and 'preservation of way of life' are actually two very different things.

Capitalism is the developing and re-investment of profits in a business situation. However preserving the way of life is what you were refering to as leading to war. Two different topics there. Believe me, I wrote an 8,000 word paper on it last semester.

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Congradualtions Tim you just succede in carcking up 14 dudes.'And this war has absolutley nothing to do with consumerism. I am doing a university major in Marketing which is all about consumerism and a second major in International business so I think I am in the know when it comes to things like capitalism and consumerism okay?' fucking gold. You should be a comdedian. Either your joking or incredibly niave. If your in marketting you obviously don't know shit about capitalism and what it really is. Notice how whenever you see globalization debates the right is always all 'where your source etc. in otherwords, damn you just man handeled me and finger pointing is my most intelligent response. See Naomi Klien vs The Economist last year in NYC. Have fun as abecrombie and peace out. Oh yeah be sure to pick up the new sum 41

 
ya timmy - c_lo just said what i kinda was straying from in my responses to you. you're either nieve, or afraid to see that the line between consumerism and marketing is invisible. there is no line. what's the ultimate goal of marketers worldwide? to ensure that every child is branded, and that when they go to buy something, they associate a certain product with a specific brand name.

 
No. That's actually un-true. The overal goal of marketing is to get the product sold. Sure there are spin-offs like getting people to associate themselves with your products etc etc but that is part of consumer behaviour and consumerism. You guys are still fucking reading me wrong. All I was trying to say in my last post was that consumerism has nothing to do with this war. Stop trying to read stuff into my arguements that I'm not actually saying.

How does Abercrombie, Nike or Reebok etc, trying to make themselves a household brand name that various sub-cultures will identify themselves encourage or provoke war? That's just madness.

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If you actually read my posts properly and worked out what I was actually trying to get across then you might understand where I'm coming from.

Don't sit there and dig for conclusions that I'm not making and then give me shit about them okay?

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man, relax a little bit and think about what you're saying. by buying into branding, you're supporting multinational companies. by supporting multinational companies, you're allowing exploitation to occur. by allowing exploitation to occur, you're adding fuel to the fire of those that are being oppressed. again, multinationals saturate all other culture, and leave us as a monolithic human culture. i certainly don't want that! and i'm not saying that you're a bad person or anything, i'm just showing you that there are implications to your argument.

 
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