Very true... especially since hardly ANYONE needs to run above 10 DIN. Although they might argue that they need p18s because landing on them and not having them break is a useful feature... I guess it depends, really. My regular axials have held up BETTER than the 180s, which have their DINs stuck higher than I'd like them, though the 180 / p18 toepiece is in a different LEAGUE of quality compared to, say, a p12. I think the regular axials should be good enough for just about anyone, but I guess people still bust them over big tables, and that's far more true for s912s/14s... Crystal-needs-a-park just busted a heel track on 912s a couple days ago tossing a 180.