Walking Dead Season 3 Thread

If that was realistic, the governor would of been dropped dead in seconds after opening fire on that one guy.

Fucking Rick seems like such a badass now though based on the previews next week. Finally sacking up this season.
 
I'm not diggin this whole side-plot kinda thing. I know it goes with the comics and that you can't expect anything to be realistic in a zombie show but I just don't think this whole woodbury thing reflects what would realistically happen in a zombie apocalypse like the rest of the show has portrayed.
 
Umm.. not quite sure about this but did I see this guys head in "Governors collection"?

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Oh Andrea.....pls don't be stupid.....you're in the middle of a zombie apocalypse, you need to be sharp. Stay on your game. Don't fall for bullshit.
 
In the Talking Dead after the show, they explained that head is the head of the pilot who survived and made it into Woodbury.
 
Why not? Just because a group of 10 has been overrun tons of times and pushed out why couldn't a group of 70 build a town and guard the shit out of it. I think it is plausible for a town like that to exist. Sure it might get fucked one day, but it could happen.

And the guys head in the tank was the pilot, not the dude from season 1.
 
pretty sure they were just national guardsmen..nothing more than civilians with weapons - pretty muhc on the same level as the governors people

Very interested in what the gov is doing with those heads in fish bubblers and what the scientist is doing with the zombie heads
 
great episode- gonna be intense when the governor and rick come face to face- i also think that using walkers not only as camouflage but making them your mules is one of the smartest moves ive ever seen on the show- they cant attack her and keep her safe- why not make like 20 of those things and chain them up around the outside of the town?
 
I'd probably agree if the community was like huge, but it's only, what, 75 people total or something close to that? they won't last long I'm guessing
 
finally saw the new episode just now.

What we got here is a community controlled by fear. The fear is perpetuated by the governor. Therefore the governor is controlling these people. Not exactly sure to what end yet. He does seem to be providing for people in the community and he did let Michone and Andrea in though so it's not like he is just trying to keep only certain people under control. But what we all know about communities like this is that some outsider will come in and realize that all these people are being brainwashed and try to lead some sort of rebellion or something. We'll see.

He wouldn't tell Andrea his real name and said he never would tell anyone. I wonder if there is something more to that. Like maybe he is some crazy deranged criminal. I mean we all know he is crazy because he keeps a family portrait while sleeping with some other girl and he has a room full of aquariums with heads in them. I really hope the tea isn't some of the liquid from those tanks...
 
i think i noticed michonnes two jawless zombie heads in the governors tanks... and i think i saw the pilots eyes moving a bit at the very end when it panned onto him. so i guess the governor is preserving the living zombie heads for some reason, but what? wooooooohhh
 
Exactly what i thought. even down to how gale was an expert at making coffee, the scientist is making tea haha
 
Yeah this and the way Gus had so many scenes where he did nothing and said little but was so terrifying in his nature- governor is just like that
 
well the governor actually kill people and talk. gus was never killing someone directly and he would talk the less possible... but yeah gale and the scientist are pratically the same guy haha
 
The governor, i can't tell if he is good or bad yet.

I mean obviously he is bad in the sense that he controlls woodburry by fear, and is a manipulator. i.e "they didn't have our walls, and our gaurds" But i mean, he does take care of 70? people, which i mean is good.

He still has family ties, he misses his kid and wife. The heads in the fish tanks are obviously people he has killed who have stumbled through etc etc.

The scientist guy, with the glasses, the governors number two, i feel is a good guy. I feel like if anyone, he will find a way to control it.

I'm just thinking outloud.

Anyways, next episode:

The person who cuts the chain, i don't think it wa the prisoners. I think it was whoever they took a POV shot of in the episode before last.
 
The gov is for sure a bad guy - not sure if you caught the part of last episode were he feigned peace and the mowed down 10 national guardsman even though you would think they'd be a great addition to his survival town

Hitler took care of a few million people while he was ruling germany through a tough time...doesnt mean he was good lol

I'm up in the air with the scientist like you though..he obviously enjoys doing little experiments on zombies but that doesnt make him bad he could genuinely be interested in trying to find a cure/figure out how zombies work...or he could just be a sick freak

I dont think the person who cut the chain was in the group..unless there is someone in the group that needs to die off soon (tdogg??) I think it was the short white prisoner guy but who knows its kinda too early to make any good guesses
 
Every time I start to like this show....

Man. There's just some shit about this show that is so fucking lazy and cliche.

Really? The scientist's name is fucking Milton? He's wearing those glasses? He is literally pushing his glasses up his nose and stammering and acting submissive...they might as well call him Pointdexter and give him an oversized white lab coat.

Oh...the only 3 black people on the show have no lines, and just stand around and look mean and protect the white folk? Well of course! What are they going to actually matter?

All this hype around Michonne is ridiculous. Anyone giving glowing opinions about her character has either read the comics, or really loves the Resident Evil movies. What's to like? "Aww man she's soooo badass with a katana and dreads and zombie pets!". That's straight out of a nerdy 12-year old focus group right there.

I understand the show is based on comics, but up until the introduction of Michonne, you wouldn't necessarily have known that just by watching. She is about as complex and nuanced as a fucking cardboard cut out. She literally has done nothing other than look tough and furrow her brow for 5 episodes now. Somehow she's managed to have twice as much screentime as T-Dog (bahaha....really? Jesus Fucking Christ. I'm surprised he's not T-Dizzle-Dogg) and half the dialog. She is a videogame character (caricature?) and the lack of realism in her character is a distraction and makes the show feel even less realistic. I know the fanboys will defend her, and will say shit like, "just wait!", but the truth is, the show is what it is, and her introduction to the show and universe was handled terribly and there's so much dissonance between her and the rest of the characters that it feels like she stumbled onto set from another show/movie and the producers asked her to stay.

I won't even acknowledge the soldier ambush. It would have been better if they would have dubbed in someone going "PEW PEW PEW" for the gunshot sound fx instead.

The performance of the Gov has been solid, he's believable and walks that line between warmth and charisma and menace perfectly. I'm excited for his arc. So there's a bright spot. Andrea's character has regressed and what began as a clever character reboot has devolved back into the same ole same ole. One minute, she's clinging to life, and the next she's batting her eyes at the Gov. The female characters on this show are so atrociously written it's unreal....which, I guess makes sense seeing as who wrote them. I really hope that Woodbury isn't the new farm....

I've enjoyed this season so far overall, but the show still has a lot of problems, and if I'm being honest with myself, you take away the central conceit of the show (zombie apocalypse!) which I find inherently interesting and always have, and it just isn't very good in terms of writing, plotting, acting, and on and on. FX team is crazy talented, and this show is absolutely at its best when they're stressing its horror elements and as soon as they try and contextualize it and add "meaning" and consider the existential questions it just fails miserably.

I don't know if anyone else watched Jericho, but TWD is all of a sudden feeling an awful lot like that show.
 
some good points.

The scientist does seem a bit cliche. but I think it's sort of interesting that the governor actually listens to him. I would say it would be more cliche if the governor didn't listen and it came back to bite him in the ass.

Tdogg has been a terrible character ever since his part with leaving merle on the roof top. Maybe if the two groups meet up Tdogg will face merle for some development.

I agree about the female characters. I don't know why you didn't mention Lori, she's killing me. Michone hasn't really done anything yet to make me like her. I thought she was going to be super bad ass zombie slayer but not so much.

you talk about michone being a 12-year old focus group product but then say the show is best when they stress the horror elements. I like this show because it's more than simply killing zombies. there are one hundred and one movies about cool ways to kill zombies but there is nothing with this amount of time to explain what it would be like to live in a zombie apocalypse. the characters have different views of the zombies. like they're sick, they're worthless, they're curable or their study subjects. there are feelings if the leader is doing good job. I think this is how we get away from the 12 year old focus group.
 
people need to realize that rick and the governor are more similar than different, they are just projected differently, rick as a protagonist who we are supposed to connect with and gov as the antagonist we are supposed to spurn.

rick has murdered several people (most deserved it, sure) and seriously contemplated murdering "innocent" people. If he stayed down the road hes on, and he had to protect a group ten times the size of the current group, he would do the exact same thing to those soldiers.

neither one of them is doing anything wrong. they are just trying t perpetuate their own lives while giving the people they are leading hope. obviously the governor is going to be skeptical about allowing new men into his group while inviting women in with open arms. like said in 28DL "Women mean a future." if he can convince andrea she likes it there and wants to stay, thats 1 more chance at a family and a future for residents.

i would argue that even though the governor is "Evil," his group, as far as group dynamics and knowledge of purpose and place within its individuals, is lightyears ahead of where the farm crew are at.

michonne is just a bitch, no one wants a family with her. terrible actress, i understand how her character is supposed to come across, and maybe they will eventually show a chink in her armour, but shes pissing me off already.

 
i dont understand the hate on michonne, she has really only been a prominent character in two episodes, and her character is developing. slowly, albeit. terrible actress? i think you just have a problem with the character because the actress is pretty much perfect when comparing to the michonne from the comics. they even look identical, dirty looks, facial expressions are all the same.

and trust me, if they follow the comics , even just roughly, throughout this season, shit with michonne is gonna get real gnar (not saying more bc of spoilers) but yeah shit gets fucked with her. and it will be awesome when it does.
 
It's because winter just ended and the grass is starting to grow. There's an explanation for most things.
 
why were these guys so well groomed and shaven? 10 months and the old guy still just had a mustache and douche guy still has the white-trash goatee...dont really care just saying...
 
Lori clearly is one of the biggest drains on the show, and I was definitely thinking of her when I made those points.

I don't at all see how saying the show is most successful when stressing horror elements relates to or contradicts the fact that I find Michonne's character flawed and problematic. I don't think horror, in the: "trying to build tension and dread" sense has anything to do with the videogame-ization of her/the protagonist.

Further, horror needn't be mindless and I didn't at all imply I wanted a shift in focus towards gore, creative kills, or any kind of "hollywoodizing" or violence fetishizing. I think you misunderstood me. Do you really think I was trying to suggest that I just want to see them kill zombies for 60 minutes a week?

It's valiant, and good, to ask the larger questions about how civilization would function (or not) in the face of a mass-extinction event. I enjoy a lot of fiction (The Passage, Zone One, World War Z, The Road, The Stand, on and on) that asks those sorts of questions, and ultimately, any show or series of novels, etc. that wants to build in a universe like the Walking Dead needs to go there. My problem, and what I was really saying, is that this particular show isn't very good at doing just that. Whether it's writing, show running, directing, acting or another issue holding it back, the show just isn't effective on that level. And let's be honest, at this point, asking these sort of philosophical questions in the horror/zombie genre is as old—and arguably trite—as the genre itself. Romero has been using the zombie apocalypse as a mechanic to satire materialism, nationalism, and civility since '68.

So, I think the show should do what it does well because I would much rather watch a show that effectively functions as an emotional/suspenseful rollercoaster, rather than as a half-baked, poorly executed exploration of the meaning of what it is to be human, and the tenuous nature of civilization, blahblah.

Maybe I'll come to see it differently, but I don't think the show's efforts to go in a cerebral direction have been in the least bit promising.
 
Also, as the show is a micro view of a particular band of survivors as opposed to a macro view of what remains of society, I think the show could largely ignore some of those existential issues and instead focus on the interpersonal drama (not in soap opera sense) and the group dynamics instead. If the show created compelling, rich, and dynamic characters, I think the show could function as a successful drama.

The Wire is a perfect example of a genre show transcending and hitting genuine emotional and dramatic beats. The show is ostensibly about the Baltimore drug trade, but it's really about individuals, family morality, ambition, redemption, etc. Sure, it critiqued, everything from the drug war, schools, parents, politics, and media, but the show didn't really preach or try and answer those questions as much as use those things to drive its characters who were to the one incredible.

Until this show is successful in developing its characters, those larger questions don't really matter.
 
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