VP Debate

OOO soory didnt mean it to be neagative i respect lawyers its a hella tough job and they dont get enough respect and they get a bad rep cuz there are dirty ones. But yea sumties his smirk was that of surprise sumtimes as if he knew what the VP was goin to say. That will occur in any debate other candiates such as Cheney-Kerry and Bush showed more of a so called poker face while Edwards had trouble hiding emotion. Personally i found it very un flattering of him and arogant!

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regards to the moderator attacking Kerry/Edwards. Does the moderator choose all the questions and topics on their own? If so are they reviewed or approved by anyone? just not to familiar with how that works!

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did everyone here fail to hear the first question of the debate?

here is the question:

Vice President Cheney, there have been new developments in Iraq, especially having to do with the administration's handling.

Paul Bremer, the former head of the Coalition Provisional Authority, gave a speech in which he said that we have never had enough troops on the ground, or we've never had enough troops on the ground.

Donald Rumsfeld said he has not seen any hard evidence of a link between al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein. Was this approved -- of a report that you requested that you received a week ago that showed there was no connection between Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and Saddam Hussein?


CHENEY: It's important to look at all of our developments in Iraq within the broader context of the global war on terror. And, after 9/11, it became clear that we had to do several things to have a successful strategy to win the global war on terror, specifically that we had to go after the terrorists where ever we might find them, that we also had to go after state sponsors of terror, those who might provide sanctuary or safe harbor for terror.

And we also then finally had to stand up democracies in their stead afterwards, because that was the only way to guarantee that these states would not again become safe harbors for terror or for the development of deadly weapons.

Concern about Iraq specifically focused on the fact that Saddam Hussein had been, for years, listed on the state sponsor of terror, that they he had established relationships with Abu Nidal, who operated out of Baghdad; he paid $25,000 to the families of suicide bombers; and he had an established relationship with al Qaeda.

Specifically, look at George Tenet, the CIA director's testimony before the Committee on Foreign Relations two years ago when he talked about a 10-year relationship.

The effort that we've mounted with respect to Iraq focused specifically on the possibility that this was the most likely nexus between the terrorists and weapons of mass destruction.

The biggest threat we faced today is the possibility of terrorists smuggling a nuclear weapon or a biological agent into one of our own cities and threatening the lives of hundreds of thousands of Americans.

What we did in Iraq was exactly the right thing to do. If I had it to recommend all over again, I would recommend exactly the same course of action. The world is far safer today because Saddam Hussein is in jail, his government is no longer in power. And we did exactly the right thing.

NOW IF THATS NOT THE MOST BLATENT DODGING OF ISSUES YOU'VE EVER SEEN...

No mention about Bremmers remarks on insuficient troop levels

No mention about Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and Saddam Hussein. Instead he continued to insist that there was an 'established relationship' between Iraq and Al Qaeda. That goes smack dab against the findings of the CIA that state if there was any connection at all it was insignificant, hardly anything that would quantify as an 'established relationship.'

Instead he just spouted off more of the same old shit.

I mentioned this in another post but its worth mentioning again. The Orriginal plan that this invasion of Iraq was based off of was created in 1998 and called for the use of 500,000 troops. (In its orriginal state the plan was know as Op Plan 1003) It was modifed over the course of time, streamlined to 150,00 troops on ASUMPTIONS about the current state of the Iraqi millitary as well as other factors. Over time it was streamlined to an invasion plan that required only 150,000 troops, primarily to speed up the rate of the the US's ability to build up a sustainable force in the region and launch the attack, they didn't want to wait the many months that would have been required to sustain a force of 500,000. At a private meeting, Rumsfeld polled his top generals and advisers to ask how long the war would take. The estimates ranged from seven days (Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz) to about a month (Gen. Richard Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs).

Needless to say they were a little off.

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C'mon Jibtech, do you really want to open that discussion up? Do you really think that Edwards didnt doge issues that were brought up to him? It goes both ways pal.

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There was one question that Cheney just ignored, and went off about something else. Edwards did it a couple of times, too, but got to the answer to the question being asked eventually (30 seconds later, etc.) And yes, the first one was clearly a dodge on Cheney's part. But Edwards didn't talk much about his own qualifications for the job, so...

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wolfman, see this is exactly bush's problem. He is not willing to admit that he may be wrong. Everyday is new and each day people's brains go through changes from their experiences. Each day people think about things in a new way. Bush is willing to send all of these people to die overseas and not even think twice. He doesn't give a shit if they die, it's not his loss. He just keeps his closed minded headset. I want to see an open minded pres in office. Someone willing to hear what other people have to say about the world and their perspective.

Really good point Jibtech, i missed the beginning. I dont want any more old fuckers in office because they are too close minded. that is bullshit. Edwards may not have been the best speaker, but he made alot more sense. I have a feeling that Cheney just cares about getting re-elected so he can have the power and get a bunch of money. He treats Edwards like such a huge enemy and isn't willing to have a meaningful conversation, he just wants to attack Kerry. Try to make him look bad with his stupid words. TALK IS CHEAP MOTHAFUCKA!! I'm so tired of the perspective that BUSH and his faggot VP have on this world. He's trying to use feat tactics

'The biggest threat we faced today is the possibility of terrorists smuggling a nuclear weapon or a biological agent into one of our own cities and threatening the lives of hundreds of thousands of Americans.' quote by Cheney from JIBTECHS post.

What about jobs, medical, schools?? We can waste so much time and money thinking about what a terrorist might do next or we can focus on our own problems and try to become a bit more stable.

And wolfsman, suck my penis, this country is entirely unstable right now. Look at everyone who disagrees with Bush's policies and all of his meaningless spending. Get this fucker out of D.C., i'm so imbarrased to have BUsh as our pres. he has been nothing but problems.

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C'mon Utahpowderskier, dont patronize me. Iraq and terrorism are the central focus of this election! You can't deny me that. And for Cheney to blatently dodge the first question of the only debate he will participate in, about the central focus of the of this election strikes me unbelivable.

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conceptkid- 'I have a feeling that Cheney just cares about getting re-elected so he can have the power and get a bunch of money.'

do you know what kind of pay cut cheney took to be in public service? hes not doing it to make money... and if he is, well, he really blew it on that one.

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I do give you that the Iraq issue is the center point of the election, and yes, Cheney did not answer that question as it was asked, but what he did do is get out what he wanted the to say. He is a politician. I dont believe however that he completely dodged the Iraq issue all together. I think that Edwards was very indirect, just as Cheney was, on many questions that were asked of him about Iraq. That happens in a debate. I am not validating it, but I think that it is completely one sided to think that Cheney was the only dodger out there.

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Edwards went over his time limit like a million gazillion times. He made queer faces because he's a fag and if that was bush then that would be all over the news. And that one question he broke the rules twice, which i can see happening because it was accidently slipping out.

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oh, ive got my absentee ballot sitting right here on my desk... its the best way to do it.

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@ Ice-is-Scary It does seem like Edwards/Cheney would be much more effective policy makers, but I don't think that they would be able to pull votes as well, and that's the biggest factor in chosing a president elect. They (Kerry/Edwards) will (or do) run the show anyways.

I also don't like it how Edwards has gotten crap for not counting Iraq casualties in his numbers. He was trying to show how weak the coalition is, which is something that Iraqi deaths are not readily relavent. He used numbers that were directly indicative (if they are correct) of America's role in the war as compared to other Allies.

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I really don't like edwards. he is kerry's bitch. he, even when requested to, cannot reply without using john kerry to back himself up. which doesn't make sense to me because kerry's a little bitch too. cheney is scum and bush is too. oh well, there goes the nation.

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not that he cant, he just wont. of course hes going to put kerrys name out there as much as he can. hes campaigning as much as he can. its smart of him to do that.

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obviously. but theyre good freinds now. all that is in the past. really... good friends... you know what i mean... harharharharhar...

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they both have different debate strategies. Edwards is used to working a room and jury whereas Cheney has always been then guy to sit down and drive home a hard line.

 
Does anyone know Edwards trial hisotry? I mean is he one of the trial lawyers they talking about during the debate.

 
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