Vote - helmets
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DownstreamSalmon
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always
[]Soul_Steeze[]
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welcome to NS
the 1 site on the internet where your gaurenteed to get burned on just about anything you say and that 99% of the people on this site think they know everything about everything...
just givin ya the heads up
and btw how long you been skiin?
the 1 site on the internet where your gaurenteed to get burned on just about anything you say and that 99% of the people on this site think they know everything about everything...
just givin ya the heads up
and btw how long you been skiin?
Sheltron3030
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From: Shelli Lafontaine [mailto:newschoolski13@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 4:35 PM
To: James Moss
Subject: SAO 110
Hey I have a bet I need to prove with someone. It's about helmets. Last year Curt Bender told us that helmets only provide protection up to 14mph and the average skier goes about 28mph or so. I just want to make sure this is still true. Can you provide any info?
"James H. Moss, J.D." wrote:
99% of the helmets provide protection up to 12 miles an hour. There are one or two that go a little higher than that. When a skier wears a helmet, on average they ski 15 miles an hour faster. The average skier does ski faster than 15 miles an hour to begin with closer to 25 or more. If a skier is average, skiing 20 miles per hour and puts on a helmet he will ski about 35 miles an hour. The net effect is he has increased his injury from a 20 mile per hour impact to a 23 mph impact.
How much of the bet do I get?
"James H. Moss, J.D." wrote:
What the helmet does is lower the impact against your head. At a certain speed the helmet is worthless because it can’t lower the speed low enough to protect you. But if you start to get a concussion at 20 miles an hour and you hit a tree without a helmet you will have a concussion.. IF you have a helmet on you should not have a concussion.
From: Shelli Lafontaine [mailto:newschoolski13@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 4:45 PM
To: James H. Moss, J.D.
Subject: RE: SAO 110
Does the helmet protect you from a concussion (what injuries will it protect against past that speed)?
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 4:35 PM
To: James Moss
Subject: SAO 110
Hey I have a bet I need to prove with someone. It's about helmets. Last year Curt Bender told us that helmets only provide protection up to 14mph and the average skier goes about 28mph or so. I just want to make sure this is still true. Can you provide any info?
"James H. Moss, J.D." wrote:
99% of the helmets provide protection up to 12 miles an hour. There are one or two that go a little higher than that. When a skier wears a helmet, on average they ski 15 miles an hour faster. The average skier does ski faster than 15 miles an hour to begin with closer to 25 or more. If a skier is average, skiing 20 miles per hour and puts on a helmet he will ski about 35 miles an hour. The net effect is he has increased his injury from a 20 mile per hour impact to a 23 mph impact.
How much of the bet do I get?
"James H. Moss, J.D." wrote:
What the helmet does is lower the impact against your head. At a certain speed the helmet is worthless because it can’t lower the speed low enough to protect you. But if you start to get a concussion at 20 miles an hour and you hit a tree without a helmet you will have a concussion.. IF you have a helmet on you should not have a concussion.
From: Shelli Lafontaine [mailto:newschoolski13@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 4:45 PM
To: James H. Moss, J.D.
Subject: RE: SAO 110
Does the helmet protect you from a concussion (what injuries will it protect against past that speed)?
punkrock32
Active member
Always, no matter what
powder_weasel
Member
wow skully, you continue to avoid the specifics of that article you posted the first time.
I'm still waiting for you to find some part of it that supports your position.
..as for those 'expert' opinions you just posted for us...
let's see what James Moss said:
"99% of the helmets provide protection up to 12 miles an hour." But the article you first posted says that is a myth:
"One of the most common criticisms of ski and snowboard helmets is that they supposedly only protect the wearer from impacts occurring while skiing in the range of 11 to 14 mph (17.7 to 22.5 km/h), while studies have shown that skiers typically average around 27 mph (43.5 km/h). This conclusion is derived from the specified impact velocities in the CE, ASTM and Snell tests. It is often used as part of a highly misleading argument against the efficacy of current ski helmets. In a word, it's a myth.
reread that last sentence again please, skully.
Then James says:
"When a skier wears a helmet, on average they ski 15 miles an hour faster." Can I see some sources cited on that one please?
You get none of the bet!
That article you posted so explicitly refuted your argument about the efficacy of helmets that I'm starting to believe that either you are fucking with me intentionally, have a personality disorder and can't help but fuck with me, or you just lack the critical thinking skills to properly read the damn thing you posted.
I'm still waiting for you to find some part of it that supports your position.
..as for those 'expert' opinions you just posted for us...
let's see what James Moss said:
"99% of the helmets provide protection up to 12 miles an hour." But the article you first posted says that is a myth:
"One of the most common criticisms of ski and snowboard helmets is that they supposedly only protect the wearer from impacts occurring while skiing in the range of 11 to 14 mph (17.7 to 22.5 km/h), while studies have shown that skiers typically average around 27 mph (43.5 km/h). This conclusion is derived from the specified impact velocities in the CE, ASTM and Snell tests. It is often used as part of a highly misleading argument against the efficacy of current ski helmets. In a word, it's a myth.
reread that last sentence again please, skully.
Then James says:
"When a skier wears a helmet, on average they ski 15 miles an hour faster." Can I see some sources cited on that one please?
You get none of the bet!
That article you posted so explicitly refuted your argument about the efficacy of helmets that I'm starting to believe that either you are fucking with me intentionally, have a personality disorder and can't help but fuck with me, or you just lack the critical thinking skills to properly read the damn thing you posted.
[]Soul_Steeze[]
Active member
you prolly stayed up all night tryin to come up with that hunh??
mohawkskier
Member
always i crash to much
Sheltron3030
Active member
you guys are retarded. im fucking done with this. i actually hope that you all get concussions. you fucking deserve it for being so damn close minded.
all those arguments about speed are pretty much irrelevant. no one here wears a helmet because they think they might fall while they are going fast on a groomer, we wear helmets for rails and jumps and such. and it's not questionable that helmets are good to have if you fall and hit your head on a metal bar.
Always. Heres my take:
Helmets are hard. While they are ineffective in certain impacts (eg, you still die if you smack headfirst into rock off a 60 footer), they can minimize and protect your head in others to a greater degree than, say, a hat. Its always better to be wearing a helmet than not, except in a very few rare cases, which should in no way overshadow the benefits of wearing one.
I dont wear a helmet because I dont believe in my ability: I wear it because I dont trust other people. Yes, its nice when I smack my head into a rail, but where it really saves you is impacts with other out of control douchebags on the mountain. There was a thread a year or so ago about some kid who was standing off to the side of a groomer with his friends and a out of control snowboarder hit him. The dudes board slashed through his goggles and took a sizable chunk out of his Bad Lieutenant. It would have split his head open if he wasnt wearing one.
Wear a helmet - not to protect you from yourself but to protect you from other people.
Helmets are hard. While they are ineffective in certain impacts (eg, you still die if you smack headfirst into rock off a 60 footer), they can minimize and protect your head in others to a greater degree than, say, a hat. Its always better to be wearing a helmet than not, except in a very few rare cases, which should in no way overshadow the benefits of wearing one.
I dont wear a helmet because I dont believe in my ability: I wear it because I dont trust other people. Yes, its nice when I smack my head into a rail, but where it really saves you is impacts with other out of control douchebags on the mountain. There was a thread a year or so ago about some kid who was standing off to the side of a groomer with his friends and a out of control snowboarder hit him. The dudes board slashed through his goggles and took a sizable chunk out of his Bad Lieutenant. It would have split his head open if he wasnt wearing one.
Wear a helmet - not to protect you from yourself but to protect you from other people.
powder_weasel
Member
This is my last words on the subject.
That statement that skully made is a MYTH.
Apparently skully heard that helmet were no better than cardboard above 14mph from some professor or someone, and she believed it. Then she posts it here. Then in a bizarre turn of events she posts an article totally saying that what she thought was true was false. She basically owned herself and can't fess up to fact that she was given misinformation at some point in her comprehensive edumacation. I hope skully never gets a job at any mountains I ski at until she wises up.
For those of you who missed it, here is the first paragraph of the article skully posted to supposedly support her statement above:
"One of the most common criticisms of ski and snowboard helmets is that they supposedly only protect the wearer from impacts occurring while skiing in the range of 11 to 14 mph (17.7 to 22.5 km/h), while studies have shown that skiers typically average around 27 mph (43.5 km/h). This conclusion is derived from the specified impact velocities in the CE, ASTM and Snell tests. It is often used as part of a highly misleading argument against the efficacy of current ski helmets. In a word, it's a myth.
Anyone who actually reads it can see that skully was perpetuating the very same myth the article debunks.
That statement that skully made is a MYTH.
Apparently skully heard that helmet were no better than cardboard above 14mph from some professor or someone, and she believed it. Then she posts it here. Then in a bizarre turn of events she posts an article totally saying that what she thought was true was false. She basically owned herself and can't fess up to fact that she was given misinformation at some point in her comprehensive edumacation. I hope skully never gets a job at any mountains I ski at until she wises up.
For those of you who missed it, here is the first paragraph of the article skully posted to supposedly support her statement above:
"One of the most common criticisms of ski and snowboard helmets is that they supposedly only protect the wearer from impacts occurring while skiing in the range of 11 to 14 mph (17.7 to 22.5 km/h), while studies have shown that skiers typically average around 27 mph (43.5 km/h). This conclusion is derived from the specified impact velocities in the CE, ASTM and Snell tests. It is often used as part of a highly misleading argument against the efficacy of current ski helmets. In a word, it's a myth.
Anyone who actually reads it can see that skully was perpetuating the very same myth the article debunks.
[]Soul_Steeze[]
Active member
haha true that
i lol'd just reading her posts
i lol'd just reading her posts
Therealbillus
Member
always unless the rails are made of pvc
