the reason the dogen suck is because they were the only volkl freestyle ski made in china, with shitty materials, and poor craftsmanship. they did that, because they needed to have one freeski that is cheap. get the walls, they kill, and have edges that are actually harder than steel rails. I actually looked at some of the rails, and some of the steel was missing from where i went off. They still detune just like any other ski after a lot of rails, but they are very durable.