my sister just got a pair last season. she used to only race and ski groomers. since she bought karmas shes throwing 180s, sliding rails, and shredding pow. she loves them. i did a lot of research for her and picked them out for her. from all the skis i looked at, karmas are best skis for both big mountian and park. the thing that made me choose them was an article of freeskier that said "if you can only afford one pair of skis, this is the ski to buy."