qazwsxedc34
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A very well spoken and confident statesmen. I’m surprised!
Vladimir Putin: Frontline 60min
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qazwsxedc34
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13507994:skierman said:
Like I said confident
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SofaKingSick
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13507502:Laurent. said:
pffft haha are you kidding dude?
they play the exact same game, which is chess--only a fool would claim otherwise-- but obama is currently winning that game. right now the US's grip on the world has loosened due to many factors in the past decade or so, and that's part of why we're seeing russia try to claw its way back to relevance as a power again. but if you seriously think russia is at an advantage in the big picture right now, i have a bridge to sell you. we're both involved in proxy wars in ukraine and syria, but the difference is while all this happens, russia's PR and economy have been getting slayed. the US isn't in amazing shape but our dollar didn't lose almost 40% of its relative value in the past year, and the middle east players trying to price everyone out hasn't worked nearly as well on us (as a whole, at least) as it has on russia, who relies on oil for something like 50% of their revenue. not to mention their level of corruption and oligarchy that makes the US look like a fucking fairy tale (and that's saying something), unproductive work force, and their alienation of their current and former buffer/sphere of influence states.
and yet, russians (and apparently, others like you) are in complete denial because their media has them brainwashed even more than us americans (again, that's really saying something) and nationalism is a hell of a drug
i have plenty of criticisms for the US, but if you think putin has outsmarted the world like RT wants you to believe, youre fucking high
Laurent.
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13508569:Titsandwich11 said:
Your delusion is hilarious. funny statement for upvotes =/= view on policy's, stop taking things to seriously. Honi soit qui mal y pense.
I have no time for longwinded petty arguments since I'm currently almost fully engaged in a game of bésique (which is so much inferior to Baccara) whilst discussing elective provincial councils for purposes of local administration introduced in Imperial Russia by Alexander II with my tablemates.
I'll leave you this: boy did I trigger you.
SofaKingSick
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13508592:Laurent. said:
yeah, that's about what i expected. isn't it nice how you can frame something as a joke and just cop out if someone calls you on it?
yeah, you sure "triggered" me with your desire to sound informed without having even a tenuous grasp on what youre talking about. feel free to bump this thread if you can piece together something resembling a coherent thought to back up your bullshitting
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http://www.cbsnews.com/news/vladimir-putin-russian-president-60-minutes-charlie-rose/
The video was removed by the uploader, but here's a link to CBS's site which will probably remain on for the foreseeable future if anyone is looking for it.
The video was removed by the uploader, but here's a link to CBS's site which will probably remain on for the foreseeable future if anyone is looking for it.
Laurent.
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13508611:Titsandwich11 said:
You don't know me, do you?
Well listen, I don't care about anything at all.* I spew out statements in the same way Russell Brand spreads his spores whenever he is surrounded by gullible young girls. You're now shifting it as if I'm copping out, I was never in. If you seek some meaning in "Putin plays chess, Obama plays checkers." and decide to write a retort on that common saying without being able to comprehend that it might really just be for a laugh, then you exhibit a severe lack of any form of tenuous grasp on society..
There's no framing here, it's you doing that.
*That's a lie but it sounds better then with a but and long list of things I might actually care about.
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ookay, doesn't-care-about-anything internet guy. have fun with your sweet online persona. if even one person reads what i wrote and realizes that your post is utter nonsense, im happy
qazwsxedc34
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13508569:Titsandwich11 said:
I agree with many of your points. Yes, Putin is a dangerous, powerful man but he is also crafty and intelligent. I do agree with him on the issue of Syria though.
Now lets move back in time. The 2013 bombings in Syria conducted by Israel are actually indirect attacks on Iran. Syria and Iran are bound by a mutual defense pact and are strategic alliances. The US and Israel's senate resolution 65, surely to pass states that congress reaffirms the long-standing bonds of friendship and cooperation between the United States and Israel, supports the full implementation of U.S. and international sanctions on Iran, recognizes the tremendous threat posed to the United States, the West, and Israel by Iran's pursuit of a nuclear weapons capability, formerly Iran has not even decided nor has the capability to create a nuclear warhead, stated by the CIA. It also states that if Israel is compelled to take military action in self-defense against Iran's nuclear weapons program the U.S. government will provide Israel with diplomatic, military, and economic support. Hence, the foreign relations committee voting to endorse resolution 65 (April 17, 2013) is the latchkey should Israel attack Iran.
By now, people should know that Israel has openly indicated its desire to use military force on Iran. Formerly, on January 30th of this year the US government affirmed that the Syrian government under ASSAD utilized chemical weapons against its own people. Following this event, it was revealed that a hacker leaked emails and a large quantity of sensitive documents from a UK based military contractor. Particular emails within these hacked documents were manipulated to make it look like this operation had full proof from the US government, however this is inaccurate and stains the documents’ credibility. Nevertheless, a plan by Qatari was to have the firm provide false evidence that Syria would give the go ahead to use chemical weapons.
Three months later, on March 19th sarin gas was used in Aleppo, Syria. Israel and the US accused the Syrian government when many of those killed were Syrian government soldiers. Obama then began talking about the event as a ‘RED LINE’ that had been crossed. However, the UN investigated the subject and on May 6th 2013 United Nation's investigator Carla Del Ponte went public, stating that it was in fact the Syrian rebels that utilized sarin gas and that there was no sign that the Syrian government launched any chemical attacks whatsoever.
According to the lab results, investigators discovered the presence of Hexogen, which was utilized as an opening charge and is not used in standard chemical emissions. Therefore, results pointed to the attack being launched by the Syrian rebels.
Mysteriously, the Obama Administration backed down from previous claims. I believe this was done to create the ostensible reason for military involvement.
Iran-backed Hezbollah weapons were said to be the target according to Israel. The real motive however, was to derail Syria’s progress in their fight against foreign militants originally from Lebanon. Hezbollah, who sides with president Assad’s regime, declares that it was a war against foreign backed terrorists. Iran has sent over 4,000 troops to aid Assad and Russia s-300, have responded to take Syria's side as well as China. This is all about how Iran has one of the largest oil reserves; in addition they are not cooperating with the US. The USA's excuse to invade Syria is an excuse to draw Iran into an exposed conflict.
In July of 2013, the US openly began discussing kinetic strikes against Syria. Shortly after, on August 21st 2013 the US attempted once again to frame the Syrian government. Initially, the media coverage tried to pin the attack on the Syrian government and the US and France instantly came out condemning Assad. By August 24th the Pentagon already announced plans for missile strikes. That very day the Syrian army came forward with footage to back up their report that they uncovered a massive chemical weapons stash in Rebel tunnels in the Damascus suburbs of Jawbar. This is the exact neighborhood of where the chemical weapon attacks took place. Furthermore, On May 31st 2013 Turkey found a 2kg cylinder filled with sarin gas in the homes of Syrian militants.
On July 7th the Syrian army went public regarding a chemical lab that they found belonging to the Syrian rebels outside the city of Damascus.
Two days after the attack, the Syrian rebels release a video statement vowing to strike back with any and all means. They claimed to have access to chemical weapons and that they now intended to use them with zero misgivings from this point forward. I personally believe they are using their own crime for a pretext to openly utilize chemical weapons in battle.
Now if the US invades a lot of civilians will die. Their situation is not going to be enhanced by the US attacking, anymore than it was in Iraq and these limited strikes are no different than chemical weapons. Western nations have a conditioned aversion to chemical weapons.
Historically, because of the conditions of World War 1 their usage became taboo, in spite of their minor role in combat. The very actuality of the taboo permits Western nations to selectively cite use of chemical weapons as reasons for military action. This use is, of course selective; if it's a client regime using them against enemies of the US or its allies, no enforcement, and perhaps even outright aid, as in the case of Iraq against Iran. And of course it's all hypocritical, and downright irrational: hence the importance of media saturation campaigns and consistent government propaganda concerning WMDs.
I would also like to point out that the financial elites are longing the expansion of the Rothschild private central banking system.. (Only Syria, and Iran have independent central banks in the Middle East.... most recent example was Libya and look what happened there).
“The general philosophy was that the banking system should be an agent of government economic policy. The primary legislation establishing a central bank and control of the banking system was passed in 1953 in Syria, but the Central Bank was not formed until 1956. Its functions included issuing notes, controlling the money supply, acting as fiscal agent for the government, and controlling credit and commercial banks. It was also to act as the country's development bank until specialized banks were established for various sectors. The Central Bank had considerable discretionary powers over the banking system but was itself responsible to and under the control of the Council on Money and Credit, a policy group of high-ranking officials."
Furthermore, just recently “Obama has now admitted that Assad MUST go before ISIS can be defeated: President plans to focus on Syria and ousting brutal dictator as he tries to beat back terror group,” This is where Putin is right. Yes, he supports Assad for his special interests. However, Assad is an enemy of ISIS, which if he was to be ousted would pave way for ISIS control over that region. It would make more sense to help Assad destroy ISIS in Syria leaving the reduced and concentrated in the killing sand hoc of Iraq.
Furthermore, when all other strategies failed to pressure Assad’s removal, sanctions were established. When this failed the U.S. began funding the incipient insurgency against the Assad government.
"The U.S. should provide both Assad and Putin with guarantees and incentives in order to rebuild trust, mitigate disagreements and ultimately arrive at viable solutions."
Also, the other angle is the meta question - why, besides just central banking. Oftentimes for operations like this, there are multiple angles.
"For this, as well as the Ukrainian situation, liquified natural gas pipelines are becoming a major resource, and a proposed Iran-Iraq-Syria pipeline would compete with Gazprom's pipelines through the Netherlands, Germany, Ukraine, and the proposed Turkey-Greece pipeline that will be the EU's source for LNG when the Ukraine pipeline gets shut down as punishment for the Kiev Coup a year ago.”
In regards to the Ukraine, wasn’t it Victoria Nuland who said, “F*** the EU exclamation to US Ambassador to the Ukraine, Geoffrey Pratt."
This hacked phone call reveals that both the EU and USA are involved in the illegal, attempted subversion of the government of the Ukraine in some way, shape or form. This also substantiates that the USA – EU are involved in the deliberate attempt to spearhead the destabilization of the Ukraine for geopolitical and economic goals, just as Putin and the oligarchs are. It is a war between the oligarchs. Would I go so far as to say that the power in Ukraine is illegitimate and that the US backed a coup d’état for special interests. It’s definitely possible.
Nevertheless, if it were not for Putin and his special interests the US would have embarked on another senseless, disastrous war in Syria. We need all the world superpowers to work together to stabilize the world and prevent extremism.
We need to stop talking and writing as if debating the rules and reasoning of a war topic as if a cribbage game. We mention death and slaughter (potential or actual) as if a review of a new TV series.
All of us need to grab ourselves by the scuff of our own shirts and kick ourselves very hard, often, and with true disdain as to how we have allowed ourselves to be so sound bite conditioned to be in all reality detached from the reality of the death for profit we are all being spoon fed in the tone as if whom will win the spelling bee today.
Safety through conditioned illusion of the reality of a situation will not cut it any more. Ever dream you could fly, or walk through walls, or walk down the highway into oncoming traffic where the cars would not hit you?
Well, dreaming is safe. Illusion is safe. Hard core "reality" can have lethal and unintended consequences for those that allow themselves to be entertained.
The circumstances for any war or lethal military attack should be determined by: THE ANSWER TO THIS ONE QUESTION: If you, your family, and all of your friends were sitting at ground zero, do the circumstances created by others in that location warrant a lethal strike on ground zero?
If the answer is yes TO THAT QUESTION, than bombs away.
If no, then stand down and resolve, or assist to resolving if you choose. Resolving the circumstances that moved the question to be asked in the first place.
War is the bully coward’s way of confrontation without the use of effective true intelligence and brilliance applied for mutually beneficial coexistence. War also puts much easy money in the pockets of what can be called noting other than true, well placed human scum.
The choice is all of ours folks of Life or Death. Choose wisely and back your choice up with true applied force to influence what end result flourishes.
TO END ALL WARS, it is actually much easier to do so than you may think. But then being captured in masterful entertainment for evil profit saturating us all is the first detriment to an easy resolution of the matter.
Those that choose death should in true justice reap what they sow and Ditto for those that choose life.
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13508569:Titsandwich11 said:
You really know jack shit about geopolitics. Stop using big words to sound impressive, oligarchy? There is just one problem with that statement: There are no oligarchs anymore.
When Mr. Putin became acting president 15 years ago, Russia was indeed an oligarchy, the oligarchs, a small group of men who had grown very rich in the preceding decade, were instrumental in picking Putin out of obscurity and installing him at the helm. But within months, he made the oligarchs an offer they could not refuse: give up all of their political power and some of their wealth in exchange for safety, security and continued prosperity, or else be stripped of all power and assets.
The media mogul Vladimir Gusinsky, who rejected the new rules, was forced into exile in the summer of 2000, and uber-oligarch Boris Berezovsky followed him a few months later. When the richest man in Russia, Mikhail Khodorkovsky, refused any such bargain, he was jailed and his company was taken away.
I'm not going past your entire post.
But please keep your fox news bias out of this.
SofaKingSick
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13509036:Shukovski said:
haha wow, i should have known better than to comment in an NS thread about politics..i don't know which of your thoughts is more hilariously stupid:
that oligarchy is a big word
that russia ISN'T one
that i am anything even close to a fox news kind of guy
and dude, i can remember the NYT op-ed you lifted (word for word) your entire 2nd and 3rd paragraphs from. i'm not even surprised though-- of course a person that would do the above would also 1) take an op-ed as 100% truth and 2) plagiarize it to try to sound informed
everything i said in that post is true, if expressed a little flippantly. take a lap, youre out of your element donny
***To CON AIR BUSCEMI, i liked your post a lot and will respond to it later when i have time. Shukovski's post was just so mind bogglingly stupid I had to respond to it quickly
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13508632:Laurent. said:
Jesus fucking christ
That was the most condescending thing I've ever read. To make matters worse I can tell you did it just to jerk your own crank.
Straight fuck off with your subtle douche baggery.
