Vegan/plant-based gabber

14276594:Charlie_Kelly said:
No one is saying “humanely slaughter”, they are saying humanely raised. If the end goal of the animal dying either way, giving them the best life possible is better than not, right?
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Yeah obviously, but you don’t have to kill them either.
 
14276593:TOAST. said:
Think I explained it pretty clearly. Unless you want to make the argument that all farming (including plants) is bad for the environment, which I guess would be a legit argument.
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Farming more plants than are necessary is bad for the environment, and that is what animal agriculture requires. You need 16 times the amount of land to get the same amount of calories with animals instead of plants, no exceptions.The animals also produce a huge amount of harmful gases, and the process that makes animal flesh edible by humans is also very harmful. Even if everything is done perfectly, animal agriculture is far less sustainable that plant agriculture.
 
14276604:EdensDemise said:
Farming more plants than are necessary is bad for the environment, and that is what animal agriculture requires. You need 16 times the amount of land to get the same amount of calories with animals instead of plants, no exceptions.The animals also produce a huge amount of harmful gases, and the process that makes animal flesh edible by humans is also very harmful. Even if everything is done perfectly, animal agriculture is far less sustainable that plant agriculture.
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Having a heard of cows or goats to graze grasslands on years that an area is not being planted to do crop rotation or whatever can help replenish nutrients in the soil. Obviously the size of this heard would have to be scaled to match the grazing area and they dont necessarily need to be slaughtered. If we compare the current standard of raising cattle, then yes using the corn field to feed humans rather than cows would be a much better use of the land and would provide more food with less emissions/waste, but that's not what I'm saying.

Today or tomorrow I can try to find some good information that conveys what I'm trying to say. In the meantime check out "regenerative farming" practices if you are interested.
 
14276729:TOAST. said:
Having a heard of cows or goats to graze grasslands on years that an area is not being planted to do crop rotation or whatever can help replenish nutrients in the soil. Obviously the size of this heard would have to be scaled to match the grazing area and they dont necessarily need to be slaughtered. If we compare the current standard of raising cattle, then yes using the corn field to feed humans rather than cows would be a much better use of the land and would provide more food with less emissions/waste, but that's not what I'm saying.

Today or tomorrow I can try to find some good information that conveys what I'm trying to say. In the meantime check out "regenerative farming" practices if you are interested.
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I'm aware of regenerative farming. Theoretically I think having cows that are cared for, have nothing taken from them, and are generally left alone is completely fine. However that it not what is happening at all, and it never will happen because it wouldn't be profitable. It has nothing to do with the morality or environmental impact of eating meat in our current system.
 
14276594:Charlie_Kelly said:
No one is saying “humanely slaughter”, they are saying humanely raised. If the end goal of the animal dying either way, giving them the best life possible is better than not, right?
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I was responding to woflowz and he said "killed as humainly as possible." And obviously if they're going to be killed I'd prefer the animal to have a better life, but that's not the end goal at all. The end goal is to minimize animal exploitation as much as possible which includes not needlessly killing them for no good reason at all.
 
14277219:Piss_Boy said:
Question, why do vegans not eat cheese? cows milk naturally anyway so what the harm? I do live in wisco
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There are a few reasons. I live in Michigan next door to a dairy farm so it’s totally understandable not to know. The first reason is the treatment in factory farms. Obviously this is a problem, but there are still huge issues with objectively better farms like the local ones in Wisconsin. A cow, like any other animal, only produces milk for its offspring. Female cows are kept perpetually pregnant from bull sperm that was electrically ejaculated. The farmer fits their arm in the female cows anus in order to impregnate them. When the baby is born, it is immediately separated from its mother so it doesn’t drink the milk. The males either are turned into veal or thrown out. The females are kept to be bred. Obviously the cow can only handle being pregnant so many times, so they stop being useful when they are about 5 even though they naturally live to be 25. Every cow is eventually killed early in a slaughterhouse. It is required by law for every cow to be slaughtered because it is the only way the dairy industry can be sustainable. These are all standard practices and happen in all of the most “ethical” farms. I hope that was helpful I’m glad that you want to hear more about these things
 
14277233:EdensDemise said:
There are a few reasons. I live in Michigan next door to a dairy farm so it’s totally understandable not to know. The first reason is the treatment in factory farms. Obviously this is a problem, but there are still huge issues with objectively better farms like the local ones in Wisconsin. A cow, like any other animal, only produces milk for its offspring. Female cows are kept perpetually pregnant from bull sperm that was electrically ejaculated. The farmer fits their arm in the female cows anus in order to impregnate them. When the baby is born, it is immediately separated from its mother so it doesn’t drink the milk. The males either are turned into veal or thrown out. The females are kept to be bred. Obviously the cow can only handle being pregnant so many times, so they stop being useful when they are about 5 even though they naturally live to be 25. Every cow is eventually killed early in a slaughterhouse. It is required by law for every cow to be slaughtered because it is the only way the dairy industry can be sustainable. These are all standard practices and happen in all of the most “ethical” farms. I hope that was helpful I’m glad that you want to hear more about these things
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I am now questioning if that bowl of cereal was worth it
 
14277262:No.Quarter said:
I would love to hear your explanation for this
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I worded that weird but they put their fist in their anus so that they can’t resist as much when they put the bull semen in their vagina. Obviously the cow doesn’t want to be touched there so they use their anus to make them unable to move. This is the only way cows are bred so don’t say it doesn’t happen
 
14277272:EdensDemise said:
Great that the first step to making a change
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Not saying I never would but how much of a difference would one person being vegan make? Im so curious about this now
 
14277279:Piss_Boy said:
Not saying I never would but how much of a difference would one person being vegan make? Im so curious about this now
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You can’t make everybody go vegan, but I think any life you can save makes a difference and is worth it. Plus you can try to convince other people and your family and close friends will naturally eat less animals being around you. If you go vegan now at age 15 or whatever that adds up to literally thousands of lives over time. If you’re really interested in it look into the practices in other animal industries, they’re just as bad as dairy.
 
14277298:EdensDemise said:
Yo idk who’s downvoting everything but all the stuff I just said is literally fucking facts
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probably cause they are fat and jealous that you are vegan so probably not as fat as them.
 
14277323:b00mSkis said:
probably cause they are fat and jealous that you are vegan so probably not as fat as them.
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Can confirm, am a skinny plant boy. I was skinny before I stopped eating meat every day, but I'm also skinny now.
 
14275857:DolansLebensraum said:
I try to think of the animal that died to become my hamburger. Then i thank hamburg germany for inventing the hamburger
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14276159:No.Quarter said:
I know you are just trying to be a fucking stupid troll but being thankful for the life of the animal that died for a human consumption is an important part of ethical meat consumption. For example hunting for food and not sport, or the cultural practices and ceremony surrounding hunting done by indigenous peoples.
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Youre an asshole for thinking i wasnt being genuine here. I do think about the animal. I know it doesnt change anything, but if my whole life purpose was to get slaughtered and become meat for another person, i would feel alot better if the person who ate me was at least for a small moment, thinking about my existence.

14276202:EdensDemise said:
Recognizing that your food comes from an animal is extremely important, but thinking about the animal doesn’t give back the life that was stolen from them. Your thoughts don’t mean shit unless your actions align with them, and there’s no such thing as ethical murder. I know you’re mostly plant based and I’m not trying to go after you, I’m just saying that people need to do a lot more than just think about the animals.
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Alot of life is letting go of the things you used to think mattered.

in the grand scheme of things, nothing is important.
 
14287152:DolansLebensraum said:
Youre an asshole for thinking i wasnt being genuine here. I do think about the animal. I know it doesnt change anything, but if my whole life purpose was to get slaughtered and become meat for another person, i would feel alot better if the person who ate me was at least for a small moment, thinking about my existence.

Alot of life is letting go of the things you used to think mattered.

in the grand scheme of things, nothing is important.
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Again, thinking about the animal does not matter if you're still killing them. If I murdered you, is everything forgiven if I sent your family flowers and an I'm sorry card?

Preventing the completely needless murder of innocent beings is important and it does have a direct impact on the world. Any life saved is worth it, and veganism will continue to grow exponentially.

Also you just made a thread about protecting rabbits so you're a complete hypocrite and obviously didn't think much about this
 
14287167:vibecheck said:
so do you lot support soy farming then
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Yes, as long as it isn't destroying the rainforest. You do too because 80% of it is fed to enslaved animals. Soy is one of the most versatile foods, and it actually has a lot of health benefits despite the lies the meat and dairy industries will tell you.
 
14287178:EdensDemise said:
Yes, as long as it isn't destroying the rainforest. You do too because 80% of it is fed to enslaved animals. Soy is one of the most versatile foods, and it actually has a lot of health benefits despite the lies the meat and dairy industries will tell you.
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Sorry man Soy milks good and all but imma stick with cow pus for now
 
14287128:EdensDemise said:
Any recommendations for vegan ski socks and mittens?
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darn tough makes some ski socks that are not wool and some socks that are wool, you can get the ones that are not wool!
 
The Onaqui horses in Utah are being rounded up by helicopter and removed from their natural habitat to make more space for cattle farming, pretty fucked up
 
14304845:EdensDemise said:
The Onaqui horses in Utah are being rounded up by helicopter and removed from their natural habitat to make more space for cattle farming, pretty fucked up
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hey moron horses aren't native to North america
 
14305036:WoFlowz said:
hey moron horses aren't native to North america
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Hey moron the Onaqui horses are wild animals that are evolved completely differently that other horses

Either way they've been there for a long time and humans have no excuse to remove them from that habitat, especially not for animal farming
 
14304845:deathvalley69 said:
The Onaqui horses in Utah are being rounded up by helicopter and removed from their natural habitat to make more space for cattle farming, pretty fucked up
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thats fucked
 
14268009:sqeellicbic said:
Just putting this in this thread for reference. I was astonished when I first saw this. It's crazy how inefficient and wasteful animal agriculture is

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One point that's often lost when talking about land use is the ecological potential of the various agricultural practices. A majority (probably a vast majority) of what's included as 'land for raising livestock' is rangeland and pasture that is actually quite ecologically productive. Compare to annual row crops which are ecological deserts. There's actually a recent push by environmental groups against agricultural intensification (ie converting pasture and forage to row crops like soy and corn). From a conservation perspective, rangeland used for cow production is about the best use of lands that were once prairie with wild bison (other than actually leaving it alone and reintroducing bison).
 
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