Vegan/plant-based gabber

[TOAST.]

Have you guys ever heard of trolling. GO HOME NERDS!!!

You're a bad troll if you get upset by people taking the bait, you should have doubled down. Do better.

 

[steeze_louise]

You're a bad troll if you get upset by people taking the bait, you should have doubled down. Do better.

Lol i dont really care if people are vegan, Im actually a hunter and I respect people who go vegan for certain reasons. I just dont like the ones who claim the are living on some type of pedestal and are morally superior to people who are not vegan. I have more respect for vegans than people who eat meat and say that hunters are bad people. Many people today dont have what it takes to go through the process of getting there own meat. also some vegans are totally detached from reality and dont realize that animals don't give and fuck about each other and eat each other alive every day like in this vid.
https://www.instagram.com/p/CL-MTxmhAyx/

 

[chicken]

What’s the difference between exploiting a chicken for eggs and a human for an affordable sneaker? Just curious, because if part of being vegan is not supporting industries that exploit animals it would seem logical that would tie in to not supporting industries that exploit humans. And by that I mean industries that pay “slave wages” and install nets around their factories to help keep people from killing themselves.

Chicken said they are unrelated but I tend to disagree which is why I brought and bring it up.

**This post was edited on Mar 30th 2021 at 11:33:56am

I 100% do agree that exploiting humans for affordable goods is unethical. I do try to buy fair-trade products, but admit it only extends to what is practical. I can easily buy an ethically sourced t-shirt; a laptop maybe not so much. Although most definitions of veganism are likewise not 100% strict. If someones medication could only come in gelatine capsules I would not fault them for taking it.

The problem I have is when someone attempts to discredit vegan ethics because some vegans have flawed morals in other areas. It does nothing to discredit vegan ethics. Although human and animal rights share some familiar ideas, I would consider human rights a separate, and much more complex issue. We need to make progress as a society in both areas. This progress can and should happen concurrently. You never need to wait until one thing is perfect before starting on the next.

 

[kbrando]

I went plant based last year at the start of lockdown because I was bored and challenged myself to do it for a day. A day turned into a week and I haven't had meat and very little dairy in a year. I grew to love more veggies and got more creative with cooking. I shy away from the fake meats, but I have been using tofu and tempeh. I ended up loosing some weight and felt a whole lot better so I stuck with it. I feel like it helped open my eyes to foods that I never had before and also forced me to stop eating fast food and junk because I actually have to cook most things now.

 

[ShadowXVX]

bump

 

[dolanslebensraum]

I try to think of the animal that died to become my hamburger. Then i thank hamburg germany for inventing the hamburger

 

[deathvalley69]

Vegans what are your thoughts on the covid vax? I'm not 16 yet so I still have some time to think about it, but I'm not sure what to do. I'm not an antivaxxer and I understand the health benefit to getting it, but I don't want to support the companies that make it and the animal testing that went into it. I'm very healthy and I feel completely safe whether I take it or not, and I want normal life to come back, but I don't know if it's worth it.

 

[sqeellicbic]

Vegans what are your thoughts on the covid vax? I'm not 16 yet so I still have some time to think about it, but I'm not sure what to do. I'm not an antivaxxer and I understand the health benefit to getting it, but I don't want to support the companies that make it and the animal testing that went into it. I'm very healthy and I feel completely safe whether I take it or not, and I want normal life to come back, but I don't know if it's worth it.

Get the vaccine. Yeah it's terrible that they tested it on animals but the amount of suffering and death covid is causing is worth the vaccine. It's not like eating a burger for your taste buds. It's super unfortunate that animals were tested on, but overall you'd be minimizing the most suffering by getting it and helping to end the pandemic.

 

[No.Quarter]

Vegans what are your thoughts on the covid vax? I'm not 16 yet so I still have some time to think about it, but I'm not sure what to do. I'm not an antivaxxer and I understand the health benefit to getting it, but I don't want to support the companies that make it and the animal testing that went into it. I'm very healthy and I feel completely safe whether I take it or not, and I want normal life to come back, but I don't know if it's worth it.

Don't think of it as supporting the big pharmaceutical companies that use animal testing, think of it as supporting the health of the nation. This pandemic and the response to pandemics in the future are a lot more important than animal suffering. At least the testing done on animals isn't for something as frivolous as makeup products.

 

[No.Quarter]

I try to think of the animal that died to become my hamburger. Then i thank hamburg germany for inventing the hamburger

I know you are just trying to be a fucking stupid troll but being thankful for the life of the animal that died for a human consumption is an important part of ethical meat consumption. For example hunting for food and not sport, or the cultural practices and ceremony surrounding hunting done by indigenous peoples.

 

[deathvalley69]

Don't think of it as supporting the big pharmaceutical companies that use animal testing, think of it as supporting the health of the nation. This pandemic and the response to pandemics in the future are a lot more important than animal suffering. At least the testing done on animals isn't for something as frivolous as makeup products.

I strongly disagree that the testing isn’t frivolous and that there’s anything more important than animal suffering, but thanks I think I will get the vaccine when I turn 16

 

[deathvalley69]

I know you are just trying to be a fucking stupid troll but being thankful for the life of the animal that died for a human consumption is an important part of ethical meat consumption. For example hunting for food and not sport, or the cultural practices and ceremony surrounding hunting done by indigenous peoples.

Recognizing that your food comes from an animal is extremely important, but thinking about the animal doesn’t give back the life that was stolen from them. Your thoughts don’t mean shit unless your actions align with them, and there’s no such thing as ethical murder. I know you’re mostly plant based and I’m not trying to go after you, I’m just saying that people need to do a lot more than just think about the animals.

 

[No.Quarter]

Recognizing that your food comes from an animal is extremely important, but thinking about the animal doesn’t give back the life that was stolen from them. Your thoughts don’t mean shit unless your actions align with them, and there’s no such thing as ethical murder. I know you’re mostly plant based and I’m not trying to go after you, I’m just saying that people need to do a lot more than just think about the animals.

So at what point in the evolution of humans did eating animals become murder and unethical? Was the hunting of bison to sustain an entire community and utilization of every part of the animal by Native Americans unethical? Hate to break it to you but a vegan diet is not feasible for 95% of human population and the option to make vegan consumption choices has an extremely high amount of privilege associated with it.

I really cannot understand people who won't eat animals because the only thing they find unethical about it is the fact that an animal is killed, completely ignoring the massive amount of much more ethically dubious practices involved in the production of meat. The fact that an animal is killed so that someone can eat a burger is not the problem, the problem is the practices associated with raising an animal.

What do you think is more unethical, shopping with a vegan grocery list at a supermarket owned by a megacorporation where most of the produce was shipped halfway across the country and things come out of a factory with "VEGAN!" plastered all over the colorful plastic packaging, or hunting an elk and having a full freezer for half a year and buying locally sourced in-season produce?

 

[SurfinCow]

Vegans what are your thoughts on the covid vax? I'm not 16 yet so I still have some time to think about it, but I'm not sure what to do. I'm not an antivaxxer and I understand the health benefit to getting it, but I don't want to support the companies that make it and the animal testing that went into it. I'm very healthy and I feel completely safe whether I take it or not, and I want normal life to come back, but I don't know if it's worth it.

yeah adding on what's been said veganism is about excluding "as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation." it sucks but stuff like medicine, health care etc is included in this. do as much as you can but when you live in a non-vegan world there are certain things you cant avoid. so ya id say take it if you dont have greater health concerns

 

[vibecheck]

gallon of bone broth a day and u wont need the vaccine

 

[deathvalley69]

So at what point in the evolution of humans did eating animals become murder and unethical? Was the hunting of bison to sustain an entire community and utilization of every part of the animal by Native Americans unethical? Hate to break it to you but a vegan diet is not feasible for 95% of human population and the option to make vegan consumption choices has an extremely high amount of privilege associated with it.

I really cannot understand people who won't eat animals because the only thing they find unethical about it is the fact that an animal is killed, completely ignoring the massive amount of much more ethically dubious practices involved in the production of meat. The fact that an animal is killed so that someone can eat a burger is not the problem, the problem is the practices associated with raising an animal.

What do you think is more unethical, shopping with a vegan grocery list at a supermarket owned by a megacorporation where most of the produce was shipped halfway across the country and things come out of a factory with "VEGAN!" plastered all over the colorful plastic packaging, or hunting an elk and having a full freezer for half a year and buying locally sourced in-season produce?

"So at what point in the evolution of humans did eating animals become murder and unethical? Was the hunting of bison to sustain an entire community and utilization of every part of the animal by Native Americans unethical?"

Eating animals has always been murder, but it became unethical when it stopped being necessary to our survival. Native Americans used to have to hunt bison in order to sustain themselves. Now we have the option to be completely healthy without taking anybody's life, so it unethical to still eat animals.

"Hate to break it to you but a vegan diet is not feasible for 95% of human population and the option to make vegan consumption choices has an extremely high amount of privilege associated with it."

What makes you think that it isn't feasible for 95% of the population? The cheapest foods you can buy are vegan, and there are zero nutrients that you can't get from plants. Even assuming you do need to be privileged to be a vegan, you are a skier living in America. Why wouldn't you want to use your privilege to stop the slavery, rape, and murder of innocent beings?

"I really cannot understand people who won't eat animals because the only thing they find unethical about it is the fact that an animal is killed, completely ignoring the massive amount of much more ethically dubious practices involved in the production of meat. The fact that an animal is killed so that someone can eat a burger is not the problem, the problem is the practices associated with raising an animal."

No vegan has ever said that the only thing wrong with using animals is that they have to die. I understand that the way animals are treated before their death is terrible, regardless of whether they are "free range" or any other marketing bullshit. However, the unnecessary murder of an animal is still a problem no matter how well they are treated during their life.

"What do you think is more unethical, shopping with a vegan grocery list at a supermarket owned by a megacorporation where most of the produce was shipped halfway across the country and things come out of a factory with "VEGAN!" plastered all over the colorful plastic packaging, or hunting an elk and having a full freezer for half a year and buying locally sourced in-season produce?"

I think that murdering an elk is absolutely more unethical that buying a plant-based option from a corporation. I don't see anything inherently wrong with shopping at a grocery store. The vast majority of meat is also still bought at the supermarket, so it would make a lot more sense to compare hunting to gardening. Personally, I grow most of the fruits and vegetables I eat during the summer myself.

 

[Charlie_Kelly]

Recognizing that your food comes from an animal is extremely important, but thinking about the animal doesn’t give back the life that was stolen from them. Your thoughts don’t mean shit unless your actions align with them, and there’s no such thing as ethical murder. I know you’re mostly plant based and I’m not trying to go after you, I’m just saying that people need to do a lot more than just think about the animals.

You can’t murder an animal, that’s exclusive to humans.

 

[deathvalley69]

You can’t murder an animal, that’s exclusive to humans.

I agree you shouldn’t be able to, but most people do it every day.

 

[No.Quarter]

I really don't know why I'm bothering to argue with you because I feel like we are probably on the same page on some things.

You got that right that I am a privileged white skier living in America, I do want to want to use my privilege to stop the slavery, rape, and murder of innocent beings, but I'm just being realistic that the demand for meat is never going to go away. Maybe humans don't "need" to eat meat, but it is ludicrous to think that eating meat is just going to go away because humans no loner "need" meat. I think that the focus on shifting away from a meat-centric diet needs to be on the unethical means of production for the goal of reducing the destruction of the earth. Hyper-focusing on the ethical issues of killing an innocent being casts a poor stereotype for being vegan, when the focus should be on the sustainability of the means of production.

I worked at a fried chicken restaurant for a year and handled thousands of pounds of raw chicken, that was the catalyst for me going plant based, seeing the mass production of meat products is what raises red flags to me.

 

[Charlie_Kelly]

I agree you shouldn’t be able to, but most people do it every day.

I think when you use “rape, murder, and enslave” as words to describe what happens to animals in the meat and dairy industry it cheapens the experiences of humans that have been raped, murdered, and enslaved.

 

[deathvalley69]

I really don't know why I'm bothering to argue with you because I feel like we are probably on the same page on some things.

You got that right that I am a privileged white skier living in America, I do want to want to use my privilege to stop the slavery, rape, and murder of innocent beings, but I'm just being realistic that the demand for meat is never going to go away. Maybe humans don't "need" to eat meat, but it is ludicrous to think that eating meat is just going to go away because humans no loner "need" meat. I think that the focus on shifting away from a meat-centric diet needs to be on the unethical means of production for the goal of reducing the destruction of the earth. Hyper-focusing on the ethical issues of killing an innocent being casts a poor stereotype for being vegan, when the focus should be on the sustainability of the means of production.

I worked at a fried chicken restaurant for a year and handled thousands of pounds of raw chicken, that was the catalyst for me going plant based, seeing the mass production of meat products is what raises red flags to me.

Yeah I think we can agree on most things. Even if meat is never going away, any life we can save is worth it. I think meat will eventually go away, but it may take a few hundred years for us to get to that point. Veganism is growing exponentially every year and will continue to do so until the exploitation of animals will seem as ridiculous and immoral as human slavery.

I disagree that the environment and health are more important than the animals. It’s selfish to say that we matter more than the billions and billions of animals we’re killing every day. They are huge issues, but to say they are the biggest issue spits in the face of the genocide victims.

 

[deathvalley69]

I think when you use “rape, murder, and enslave” as words to describe what happens to animals in the meat and dairy industry it cheapens the experiences of humans that have been raped, murdered, and enslaved.

Why? If the things that happen to animals happened to humans that’s exactly what we would call it. It’s ridiculous to say that it doesn’t matter because the victim is different. People avoid using the proper words because it makes them feel better about their own immoral choices.

 

[No.Quarter]

Yeah I think we can agree on most things. Even if meat is never going away, any life we can save is worth it. I think meat will eventually go away, but it may take a few hundred years for us to get to that point. Veganism is growing exponentially every year and will continue to do so until the exploitation of animals will seem as ridiculous and immoral as human slavery.

I disagree that the environment and health are more important than the animals. It’s selfish to say that we matter more than the billions and billions of animals we’re killing every day. They are huge issues, but to say they are the biggest issue spits in the face of the genocide victims.

Lemme get this straight, you are comparing the death of a livestock animal that was birthed and raised for the sole purpose of producing meat as equally immoral as the genocide of humans? Cuz it really seems like you are putting a cow on an equal plane as a Holocaust victim, and the fact that you aren’t even 16 and your username is “RichKid” is really not helping your case kiddo

 

[deathvalley69]

Lemme get this straight, you are comparing the death of a livestock animal that was birthed and raised for the sole purpose of producing meat as equally immoral as the genocide of humans? Cuz it really seems like you are putting a cow on an equal plane as a Holocaust victim, and the fact that you aren’t even 16 and your username is “RichKid” is really not helping your case kiddo

Not necessarily equally immoral, but still very immoral. The exact same thing is happening, the only difference is what society has told us about the species. I don’t know why it matters that I’m 15, and I don’t think you would say that if I was speaking up about racism or homophobia. My username is RichKid because my name is Rich, but that’s a fair point and I might change it.

 

[Charlie_Kelly]

Why? If the things that happen to animals happened to humans that’s exactly what we would call it. It’s ridiculous to say that it doesn’t matter because the victim is different. People avoid using the proper words because it makes them feel better about their own immoral choices.

Probably because I believe humans have far more intrinsic and extrinsic value than any other animal on the face of this earth and therefore their suffering is far worse than that of a cow, chicken, or pig.

 

[deathvalley69]

Probably because I believe humans have far more intrinsic and extrinsic value than any other animal on the face of this earth and therefore their suffering is far worse than that of a cow, chicken, or pig.

Why do you believe that? My argument is that speciesism is wrong. If a person for example tells the story of how they were raped, and somebody else talks to them about how they had a similar experience, does that mean the first person’s experience has less value?

 

[WoFlowz]

You I’m far from veggietarian or vegan but spicy black bean burgers are bomb af

 

[TOAST.]

I disagree that the environment and health are more important than the animals.

Environment is pretty important to everything's survival. Probably not going to change your mind on this, but sustainable farming is key whether you eat plants or animals are very important to sustainable crop growth. This doesnt mean they have to be killed but they would be "enslaved".

I'd also argue that the wild elk that was murdered by a hunter and provided them with meat for most of the year is better than buying vegetables from a massive monocrop farm that relies on pesticides.

 

[deathvalley69]

Environment is pretty important to everything's survival. Probably not going to change your mind on this, but sustainable farming is key whether you eat plants or animals are very important to sustainable crop growth. This doesnt mean they have to be killed but they would be "enslaved".

I'd also argue that the wild elk that was murdered by a hunter and provided them with meat for most of the year is better than buying vegetables from a massive monocrop farm that relies on pesticides.

I think the environment is the second most important thing in the world after the rights of sentient beings. Animal farming is not beneficial in any way to the environment and I'm not sure what makes you think it is. Hunting is better than animal farming, but is still worse for the environment than buying plant foods.

 

[deathvalley69]

You I’m far from veggietarian or vegan but spicy black bean burgers are bomb af

Yeah I just had one yesterday for dinner and it was really good. I remember you said in another thread that your family is eating less meat for the environment. Why don't you try going vegan and see how you feel?

 

[WoFlowz]

Yeah I just had one yesterday for dinner and it was really good. I remember you said in another thread that your family is eating less meat for the environment. Why don't you try going vegan and see how you feel?

Really just laziness. My parents and I usually have 1-2 veggietarian dinners a week. And always have some sort of option for that as a lunch. Breakfast is a bit different I like my cereal or yogurt with granola and fruit

 

[deathvalley69]

Really just laziness. My parents and I usually have 1-2 veggietarian dinners a week. And always have some sort of option for that as a lunch. Breakfast is a bit different I like my cereal or yogurt with granola and fruit

Ok fair. Do you think laziness is a good reason to kill?

 

[WoFlowz]

Ok fair. Do you think laziness is a good reason to kill?

Not really but some of the meat we buy comes from local farms where we know the animals have good lives and are killed as humainly as possible. I don’t think I’d ever cut meats out of my diet especially if Ik the animals live a good life

 

[TOAST.]

I think the environment is the second most important thing in the world after the rights of sentient beings. Animal farming is not beneficial in any way to the environment and I'm not sure what makes you think it is. Hunting is better than animal farming, but is still worse for the environment than buying plant foods.

Animal farming can be done in an environmentally friendly way, it isn't how its done for the most part, but the same goes for crops. Trucking in tons of fertilizer and pesticides isn't good for the environment, these are things that could be replaced by animals.

Think about the natural ecosystem and how plants rely on animals and animals rely on plants for balance. Then try to replicate that on a farm. Lots of people are already doing it and its growing in popularity, hopefully it will be the norm one day.

 

[No.Quarter]

I think the environment is the second most important thing in the world after the rights of sentient beings. Animal farming is not beneficial in any way to the environment and I'm not sure what makes you think it is. Hunting is better than animal farming, but is still worse for the environment than buying plant foods.

It is my right as a sentient being to eat meat then. Being a sentient human is not beneficial in any way to the environment.

 

[sqeellicbic]

Not really but some of the meat we buy comes from local farms where we know the animals have good lives and are killed as humainly as possible. I don’t think I’d ever cut meats out of my diet especially if Ik the animals live a good life

"Humane slaughter" is an oxymoron. You can't humanely kill a sentient being that doesn't want to die.

Would it be right for your parents to kill you? After all, they literally gave you life and supported you for years (I think, idk your situation but just for the sake of argument). Treating a sentient being kindly/giving it a good life doesn't then make it moral to kill them. Especially for frivolous reasons like cosmetics, leather couches, or tastebuds.

 

[deathvalley69]

Not really but some of the meat we buy comes from local farms where we know the animals have good lives and are killed as humainly as possible. I don’t think I’d ever cut meats out of my diet especially if Ik the animals live a good life

I don't want to sound pushy or anything and it's great that you're eating less meat but any animal you eat still has to be killed. Free range has little to no regulations and basically means nothing. At one point I never thought I could live without animal products, and I even used hunt, but I think you're on the right track and you might change your mind later (yeah I know that sounds really annoying and condescending, sorry.) Watch the movie Earthlings if you have the time

 

[WoFlowz]

"Humane slaughter" is an oxymoron. You can't humanely kill a sentient being that doesn't want to die.

Would it be right for your parents to kill you? After all, they literally gave you life and supported you for years (I think, idk your situation but just for the sake of argument). Treating a sentient being kindly/giving it a good life doesn't then make it moral to kill them. Especially for frivolous reasons like cosmetics, leather couches, or tastebuds.

Yes they can kill me cause I lived a good life and pretty much want to die now cause ski seasons over it’s warm and humid and I’m failing school

 

[deathvalley69]

Animal farming can be done in an environmentally friendly way, it isn't how its done for the most part, but the same goes for crops. Trucking in tons of fertilizer and pesticides isn't good for the environment, these are things that could be replaced by animals.

Think about the natural ecosystem and how plants rely on animals and animals rely on plants for balance. Then try to replicate that on a farm. Lots of people are already doing it and its growing in popularity, hopefully it will be the norm one day.

It's factually wrong that there is a way to farm animals that is good for the environment, I'm not sure where you're getting this from.

 

[deathvalley69]

It is my right as a sentient being to eat meat then. Being a sentient human is not beneficial in any way to the environment.

It's not your right to kill another person, why is it your right to kill an animal? I know humans are not helping the environment I'm not sure what you're getting at there

 

[deathvalley69]

Yes they can kill me cause I lived a good life and pretty much want to die now cause ski seasons over it’s warm and humid and I’m failing school

Ok I take it back you're a fucking idiot

 

[Tripleblacks]

I have not read this entire thread, so I apologize if I am repeating a question/comment. How does one follow a vegan diet without spending tons of time figuring our their food choices and still eating well? I think I eat most animal products out of convenience not out of want...

E.g., I eat lots of breakfast burritos and cereal. Now switching from sausage to avocado was super easy, but how do you drop the cheese/milk?

This might sound awful, but my biggest problem is time/cost. Like I can quickly get a lot of calories without thinking via animal products. While it is a bit harder to navigate a reasonable diet (without doing research/spending time) going vegan.

This is all likely my own ignorance and I apologize, I am all for cutting out animal products, but I just do not know an easy way forward...

 

[deathvalley69]

I have not read this entire thread, so I apologize if I am repeating a question/comment. How does one follow a vegan diet without spending tons of time figuring our their food choices and still eating well? I think I eat most animal products out of convenience not out of want...

E.g., I eat lots of breakfast burritos and cereal. Now switching from sausage to avocado was super easy, but how do you drop the cheese/milk?

This might sound awful, but my biggest problem is time/cost. Like I can quickly get a lot of calories without thinking via animal products. While it is a bit harder to navigate a reasonable diet (without doing research/spending time) going vegan.

This is all likely my own ignorance and I apologize, I am all for cutting out animal products, but I just do not know an easy way forward...

It can be hard looking over all the ingredients for everything you buy, but it gets a lot easier once you're more familiar with what is and isn't vegan and you've been doing it for a long time. It's great that you want to go vegan and I'm genuinely proud of you. When you're at he grocery store, just think about whether it's more important to save a few minutes or save a life.

 

[Tripleblacks]

It can be hard looking over all the ingredients for everything you buy, but it gets a lot easier once you're more familiar with what is and isn't vegan and you've been doing it for a long time. It's great that you want to go vegan and I'm genuinely proud of you. When you're at he grocery store, just think about whether it's more important to save a few minutes or save a life.

Hey thanks for the response! I appreciate it. Well so I run into this mess of not knowing what you cook with it... I am not a picky eater, but I do like substance. For example, I love various pasta, sandwiches, burritos, salads etc... However, I know folks that can basically eat just nuts and survive.

So I guess, I did not explain this well. I am fine looking at ingredients (I do not eat much jelly because I find gelatin absolutely disgusting), but I have a hard time piecing together ingredients for a meal... Got any links or other tips??? The ethical point you bring up is a no brainier, but I find it less easy to execute... Apologies for sound lazy.

 

[No.Quarter]

Hey thanks for the response! I appreciate it. Well so I run into this mess of not knowing what you cook with it... I am not a picky eater, but I do like substance. For example, I love various pasta, sandwiches, burritos, salads etc... However, I know folks that can basically eat just nuts and survive.

So I guess, I did not explain this well. I am fine looking at ingredients (I do not eat much jelly because I find gelatin absolutely disgusting), but I have a hard time piecing together ingredients for a meal... Got any links or other tips??? The ethical point you bring up is a no brainier, but I find it less easy to execute... Apologies for sound lazy.

Basically just make the same meals you like to make but find substitutes for the animal products. I loved making pesto pasta with chicken, but instead of chicken now I use mushrooms and a bunch of broccoli and I make my own pesto and substitute Parmesan for nutritional yeast. Instead of eggs in the morning I make a tofu scramble with veggies and mushrooms. If I want a burger I spend a little extra and get beyond meat or if I don’t want to spend as much I use frozen black bean or veggie patties. I used to hate mushrooms but now I love them, there are so many different varieties, one of my favorites is enoki mushrooms and in a miso broth with some bok choy and ramen noodles they are delicious. If I’m craving enchiladas I use canned Jackfruit instead of pork or chicken. Jackfruit is also good for barbecue sammiches. The hardest substitute is cheese. I really miss a nice bubbly crispy stringy layer or mozzarella on top of my baked pasta and there really isn’t any non-dairy cheese that can give me that same nostalgic feeling of pulling a 10” long string of cheese with my perfectly crisped noodle.

It helps a lot to taper into it. Maybe plan out only a couple of vegetarian/vegan meals per week at first and keep to your staple meals otherwise but cut down on the met portions. I kinda inadvertently started eating mostly vegan because I was making stir fry with frozen veggies every night out of pure laziness, then I dated a few different women who were vegetarian and vegan and now I’m living with my GF who is vegan.

It does a lot more good to simply be more thoughtful about the environmental impact of how you feed yourself than try to jump right into 100% vegan. Also a huge side affect of being vegan is that there are a lot of vegans who are complete assholes about it and are the opposite of helpful when it comes to encouraging others to reduce their consumption of animal products

 

[Tripleblacks]

Basically just make the same meals you like to make but find substitutes for the animal products.

It does a lot more good to simply be more thoughtful about the environmental impact of how you feed yourself than try to jump right into 100% vegan.

Thanks for this, SUPER helpful. For whatever reason mushrooms are awesome, but I forget they are an awesome substitute. Thanks for your help. Now I just need to commit!

 

[sqeellicbic]

Yes they can kill me cause I lived a good life and pretty much want to die now cause ski seasons over it’s warm and humid and I’m failing school

Ahh yes, evade your cognitive dissonance with an attempt at humor. Just what I expected.

 

[sqeellicbic]

I have not read this entire thread, so I apologize if I am repeating a question/comment. How does one follow a vegan diet without spending tons of time figuring our their food choices and still eating well? I think I eat most animal products out of convenience not out of want...

E.g., I eat lots of breakfast burritos and cereal. Now switching from sausage to avocado was super easy, but how do you drop the cheese/milk?

This might sound awful, but my biggest problem is time/cost. Like I can quickly get a lot of calories without thinking via animal products. While it is a bit harder to navigate a reasonable diet (without doing research/spending time) going vegan.

This is all likely my own ignorance and I apologize, I am all for cutting out animal products, but I just do not know an easy way forward...

I took a ton of time to "figure out" healthy eating and nutrition when going vegan and it is one of the best choices I ever made. A lot of people think going vegan is hard because you need to research nutrition but what they don't understand is that they're probably already eating very unhealthy.

Obviously you can go vegan and just eat french fries and chips and drink coca cola but many use the transition period to clean up their diet and be more healthy so it seems like to go vegan you need to do a ton of research. While you don't necessarily have to, I'd recommend using the transition period as an opportunity to learn about nutrition and you might be shocked at how unhealthy you were eating before.

My biggest tip for going vegan is to work on a single meal at a time. For example, look up a good vegan breakfast recipe and try it out one day. After finding one you like, put it in your breakfast rotation while continuing to eat your regular stuff the rest of the day and then find a vegan lunch recipe a week or so later and put that in your rotation and so on for dinner. After you do this for a month or so you'll end up having like 3-4 different recipes for each meal and can eat vegan all day without it being too much of shock of doing it all at once. Slowly build up your arsenal of vegan recipes and soon enough you'll have enough to get through the whole day.

As for the time and cost thing, look up cheap lazy vegan on youtube. She has some good videos.

 

[TOAST.]

It's factually wrong that there is a way to farm animals that is good for the environment, I'm not sure where you're getting this from.

Think I explained it pretty clearly. Unless you want to make the argument that all farming (including plants) is bad for the environment, which I guess would be a legit argument.

 

[Charlie_Kelly]

"Humane slaughter" is an oxymoron. You can't humanely kill a sentient being that doesn't want to die.

Would it be right for your parents to kill you? After all, they literally gave you life and supported you for years (I think, idk your situation but just for the sake of argument). Treating a sentient being kindly/giving it a good life doesn't then make it moral to kill them. Especially for frivolous reasons like cosmetics, leather couches, or tastebuds.

No one is saying “humanely slaughter”, they are saying humanely raised. If the end goal of the animal dying either way, giving them the best life possible is better than not, right?