Vail wont give me my pass back

uturn

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I was skiing at sunapee 3 weeks back when I was ambushed getting off the lift by 8 fucking ski patrollers. They made a circle around me and demanded my pass. When I asked what it was all about the guy in charge declined to tell me until showed him my pass immediately getting pissed and raising his voice. I took it out of my pocket and showed it to him and asked again what the hell was going on. He claimed that he and another patroller had witnessed me ducking ropes for the last two weeks (complete bullshit) and they recognized my sweatshirt (just a black sweatshirt). I told him "no you didn't see me duck a rope". He took the pass out of my hand and asked me if I knew what the Vail resorts policy was on losing a pass and I told him I did not. He told me that it was a minimum 2 week suspension and that I could pick up my pass at ski patrol after that. The conversation went on for a minute or so and ended up with him threatening to pull my pass for the rest of the season because I was shaking my head at him. I was pissed by the way they handled it and the fact that 8 people were needed to talk to me. I submitted a written statement of what happened to customer service and later to management just to have my side of the story on the record.

Fast forward 3 weeks to this weekend and I walk into to ski patrol at about 10 in the morning, introduce myself to the head of ski patrol and tell him that I was told I could pick up my pass there. He immediately tells me that he got my statement and that there is no such thing as a minimum 2 week suspension and that I wasnt told any such thing. Then before I can answer he says that Vail policy is that I have to watch a 27 minute video before they can return my pass to me and that they dont have time to do it that day because there is a ski race going on. I told him that all I was told was that I could pick up my pass here in two weeks. He ends up losing his shit and yelling at me that I have to watch the fucking video and that I have to set up an appointment to do so because they dont have the time to do it. And then goes on to say that he has a bunch of complaints from his ski patrollers about me complaining about Vail fucking up the mountain (which is true) and how he doesnt even have to give me the pass back. I ended up just turning around and walking out mid way through his tirade before I felt inclined to hit the fucking guy. I went back to the customer service desk and told them I wanted to see the GM because this was getting out of hand.

I ended up sitting down with the GM and telling him pretty much the exact same story as told above. I explained I didn't give a shit about my pass being taken but the way both ski patrollers I spoke to had acted was fucking ridiculous. I asked him to just tell me how I could get my pass back and I'd be on my way. He said he would speak with ski patrol and get back to me as soon as possible.

The next day (today) I show up to the customer service desk and tell the guy that ski patrol told me I needed to set up an appointment to watch a video and asked him if he could find out how I could do it because theres no way in hell I'm going back to talk to those peices of shit. He gives ski patrol a call and tells them the situation. The patroller on the other end of the line says that they need a 24hour notice for the appointment, they dont have time today, and that the GM had contacted me to tell me that (he did not)...

ended up getting a day ticket and skiing and when I get to the top of the lift, theres 6 fucking ski patrollers sitting on their asses sunbathing outside the lift shack... no time my ass
 
That's absolutely fucked, literally makes no sense considering I recall Calvin barrettes insta story with a 2 week pull for speeding I think. Vail just makes the employees blow I guess, scanners and parking managers nagging about where to go like it all matters, I suggest immediately changing your kit too to lower your chance of issues.
 
Eewwww that sounds like the actual worst. Vail sucks, we need to sign a petition for them to shut down haha
 
The signs all over breck say minimum 4 weeks not 2. Call the corporate office though. One time I ducked a rope to get to class on time and they suspended my pass for 2 weeks (before the 4 week min) and I called and was super apologetic and they got me scheduled for the class like 2 days later. I literally took an EpicMix photo with the douche who pulled my pass and his bull dog that weekend. They don’t want to hear you complain about their employees. They wanna hear that your not going to be a future liability and that your sorry.
 
American ski partrol sounds like the fuckin gestapo. in Switzerland they'll only fuck with you if you're ducking ropes when theres high avalanche risk, or you're ducking ropes looking like a total tourist, otherwise they're the chillest
 
anyone else get visions of this when reading this?

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Sorry to hear that OP. unfortunately thats the world of Vail Resorts. either deal with it (stop ducking ropes and complaining) or go to another resort.
 
That's such bullshit, all those patrolers sound like such assholes. Also where is their evidence, how can they take your pass like that after just riding the lift, none of them caught you doing it clearly and they had no visual evidence? Makes no sense how that whole reaction was justified.
 
14016134:freeskibum82 said:
anyone else get visions of this when reading this?

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Sorry to hear that OP. unfortunately thats the world of Vail Resorts. either deal with it (stop ducking ropes and complaining) or go to another resort.

Did you even read his post ... he said he didn’t even duck any ropes
 
Just to clarify, I have ducked ropes this season just not on the weeks they say I did. There wasn't even snow off the trail it was either bare ground or solid ice.

Still isnt an excuse for them to give me such a hard time about the pass... either tell me how I can get it back and actually let me do that, or just tell me to fuck off
 
14016252:uturn said:
Just to clarify, I have ducked ropes this season

I had a feeling there was something missing here...

You broke the rules and got caught, you didn't want to accept the consequences and Vail didn't like that. Watch the video, do what they ask and move on bruh, or ski somewhere else.
 
14016258:eheath said:
I had a feeling there was something missing here...

You broke the rules and got caught, you didn't want to accept the consequences and Vail didn't like that. Watch the video, do what they ask and move on bruh, or ski somewhere else.

I dont really give a shit that they took it in the first place, if that's what they felt they had to do than so be it.

I'll watch the video, I'll stand on my head for 10 mins, I'll clean the fucking grease vat in the kitchen with my toothbrush if that's what they want me to do. The fact is that they keep telling me something different every time I try to comply.

I've skied this mountain most every weekend for going on 15 years and I live less than a quarter mile away so finding a new place to ski doesn't make all that much sense to me

**This post was edited on Mar 25th 2019 at 1:19:56pm
 
14016287:freeskibum82 said:
if you've been skiing that mountain for 15 years.. you know the rules by now

one would think...

Vail bought it in September/October of 2018... the most a ski patroller has ever said to me before this year was "c'mon man you know better". And that was when he caught me actually removing a rope and a set of bamboo poles
 
14016294:uturn said:
Vail bought it in September/October of 2018... the most a ski patroller has ever said to me before this year was "c'mon man you know better". And that was when he caught me actually removing a rope and a set of bamboo poles

I'm going with there's something missing in this story. That said if it actually happened its fucked, but honestly if I were in that situation I'd ski off to alta or some shit and change my skisuit
 
I got my pass pulled at Kirkwood for skiing in a closed area (the cirque) 2 weeks ago and they said 4 week suspension and mandatory safety class, which I assume is the same 27 minute video. I feel like for a one time offense these punishments are a little harsh and vail should have a better policy rather than just one and done. thoughts???
 
14016304:benf_chs said:
I got my pass pulled at Kirkwood for skiing in a closed area (the cirque) 2 weeks ago and they said 4 week suspension and mandatory safety class, which I assume is the same 27 minute video. I feel like for a one time offense these punishments are a little harsh and vail should have a better policy rather than just one and done. thoughts???

DON'T DUCK ROPES ARE YOU KIDDING ME?
 
14016294:uturn said:
Vail bought it in September/October of 2018... the most a ski patroller has ever said to me before this year was "c'mon man you know better". And that was when he caught me actually removing a rope and a set of bamboo poles

Damn, removing ski patrol closures?

Sounds like you duck rope all the time, got caught, and are angry because they have punishments to go with the rules.

Also plenty of non vail places would take your pass for a few weeks if not the season for ducking ropes. All deoends on the place but it's certainly not a vail thing.

But yeah, the fact that you're saying you've gotten caught removing closures, ducking regularly makes it seem fairly likely this story isn't exactly what happened.

It's not like any of us are going to get your pass back. Why such a need to try and convince us to be on your side?

Don't duck ropes in the future?
 
14016306:eheath said:
DON'T DUCK ROPES ARE YOU KIDDING ME?

Where I skied down was between 2 cliffs and it was roped off with an opening above pretty much the only way to ski down so i thought it was ok to go down and I knew there was a patroller watching me. I didn't I would get my pass pulled for skiing it and I wont be skiing anything that could be closed again. I just want to go skiing and they should take your side of the story before banning you for basically the rest of the season. (Also that day was my first day really skiing hard after breaking my kneecap 7 months before)

**This post was edited on Mar 25th 2019 at 2:08:58pm
 
14016308:benf_chs said:
Where I skied down was between 2 cliffs and it was roped off with an opening above pretty much the only way to ski down so i thought it was ok to go down and I knew there was a patroller watching me. I didn't I would get my pass pulled for skiing it and I wont be skiing anything that could be closed again.

Bruh, you're just like OP, you have a story but there is always something missing. Every time someone makes a thread about being pissed at ski patrol or whatever, there is always something being left out. If you really "didn't know" and "a patroller watched you" then wouldn't you be able to explain to the patroller what happened in the present moment?
 
14016314:eheath said:
Bruh, you're just like OP, you have a story but there is always something missing. Every time someone makes a thread about being pissed at ski patrol or whatever, there is always something being left out. If you really "didn't know" and "a patroller watched you" then wouldn't you be able to explain to the patroller what happened in the present moment?

Toasted him
 
14016243:Biffbarf said:
You think people would do that? Just... go on the internet and tell lies?

The president of the U.S. does. What's to think average citizens wouldn't?
 
buddy got his pass pulled by patrol in Breck because he said, "bitch please" in the lift line. Wasn't directed at the patroller. Just said those words and lost his pass for a week. You reading this Sandie? Fuck you.
 
14016314:eheath said:
Bruh, you're just like OP, you have a story but there is always something missing. Every time someone makes a thread about being pissed at ski patrol or whatever, there is always something being left out. If you really "didn't know" and "a patroller watched you" then wouldn't you be able to explain to the patroller what happened in the present moment?

Yes i did explain it to him and he said he didn’t want to pull my pass but the mountain manager saw it and he was ordered to take it because of vail’s policy. I have nothing against the patroller he was a cool guy- i just do not think the one and done policy is very just that’s all I’m saying.
 
as a european skier i can only say i had a hard time making it to the end of your post. i have never witnessed or even heard of anything remotely close to that. you get your pass pulled if you enter the wildlife zone, otherwise this never happens. what the hell is wrong with ski patrol over there, it's their job to rescue tourists or make sure avy endangered slopes are closed.

why? this whole thing seems so unreal to me, i cannot grasp how this is a thing.

probably not helping your story, but this has been on my mind for a while seeing all these stories pop up on ns.
 
14016389:prettygood said:
as a european skier i can only say i had a hard time making it to the end of your post. i have never witnessed or even heard of anything remotely close to that. you get your pass pulled if you enter the wildlife zone, otherwise this never happens. what the hell is wrong with ski patrol over there, it's their job to rescue tourists or make sure avy endangered slopes are closed.

why? this whole thing seems so unreal to me, i cannot grasp how this is a thing.

probably not helping your story, but this has been on my mind for a while seeing all these stories pop up on ns.

Honestly it's not hard to ski in the states without issues. Generally at best there's more to all these stories and people are butthurt they lost their pass.

That said rules are rules. If they didn't enforce them what would be the point of having them. Sure it sucks to lose your pass but I get annoyed with all these people trying to convince people the mtns are out to get them. 99% of the time, that's not the case.

Also in a lot of these cases, people dig themselves a hole by being assholes when confronted. Sometimes cases where people were legit just going to give them a warning but the person was such an asshole they decided not to be so nice.

The "Ski patrol is out to get everyone" idea that you might take away from these threads is bullshit though. Don't believe it.
 
damn thats fucking wack dude. I work at one of the most hardo vail resorts and I don't know a single patroller who would fuck someone over like that, we don't even pull passes at ours. Sorry that happened bro. If you're in Utah and want some half off passes to make up for it lmk. I hate when patrollers go on power trips like that.
 
Kids who try to talk shit when caught ducking ropes should have to spend a day side stepping runs and marking obstacles with ski patrol. I can't get my head around ducking a rope, you want uncontrolled environments and risk ski in the backcountry. No pass to pull if you don't need one
 
14016294:uturn said:
Vail bought it in September/October of 2018... the most a ski patroller has ever said to me before this year was "c'mon man you know better". And that was when he caught me actually removing a rope and a set of bamboo poles

When you ski the same place for multiple years in a row and keep fucking with patrol shit, their gonna remember your a douche bag skier who fucks their shit up.

Or maybe it’s because your not 13 anymore patrol is treating you like an adult.
 
You sound like a massive asshole. Sunapee is better off without your lying, scummy, rope-ducking dickhead.
 
Just got a warning from a hot patroller for skiing down the side of a beginner run where a fucking whiteboard has foot traffic only written, done it about 10 times while other employees saw. Guess I need to read the signs more, ya know the cheap Walmart whiteboard ones and not the legitimately made signs that resorts own.
 
14016128:p-didddddy said:
American ski partrol sounds like the fuckin gestapo. in Switzerland they'll only fuck with you if you're ducking ropes when theres high avalanche risk, or you're ducking ropes looking like a total tourist, otherwise they're the chillest

Yeah up in verbier you never see the ski patrol except when a) they're bombing terrain, b) someone injured c) level 4+ avi risk
 
14016479:ElizabethWarren said:
So you’re tell us you’ve never ducked a rope in your entire life?

When I was a kid sure, but never into an area that is closed due to avalanche danger, just like dumb out of bounds areas to build jumps and shit in trees. But as you grow up you understand that ski patrol isnt trying to fuck with you, they're just keeping you safe so now I will absolutely not duck any rope.
 
14016484:eheath said:
When I was a kid sure, but never into an area that is closed due to avalanche danger, just like dumb out of bounds areas to build jumps and shit in trees. But as you grow up you understand that ski patrol isnt trying to fuck with you, they're just keeping you safe so now I will absolutely not duck any rope.

Yuhp, ducking ropes is wack. You never know if there is a winch-cat or some other fuckery going on beyond the ropes.
 
14016314:eheath said:
Bruh, you're just like OP, you have a story but there is always something missing. Every time someone makes a thread about being pissed at ski patrol or whatever, there is always something being left out. If you really "didn't know" and "a patroller watched you" then wouldn't you be able to explain to the patroller what happened in the present moment?

I feel like you have a sticker that says blue lives matter, stop sucking patrol cock

**This post was edited on Mar 25th 2019 at 10:58:03pm

**This post was edited on Mar 25th 2019 at 11:00:52pm
 
14016484:eheath said:
When I was a kid sure, but never into an area that is closed due to avalanche danger, just like dumb out of bounds areas to build jumps and shit in trees. But as you grow up you understand that ski patrol isnt trying to fuck with you, they're just keeping you safe so now I will absolutely not duck any rope.

Respectable

**This post was edited on Mar 25th 2019 at 11:34:17pm
 
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