TowRopeCalvin
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Does anybody else think Vail is ruining skiing
VAIL SUCKS
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ajerrywithstyle
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$200 for a day pass. Saviour of skiing to be honest
whackhouse
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a friend of a friend works at stowe and says now he has to run everything he does by the suits at vail, hiring liftys ect. kinda gummed up the works for a lot of people with careers at vail owned resorts.
Cheetodawg
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It ruined afton alps park. At least their jumps. That's also Minnesota tho
tsingtaofanatic
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Vail does suck
PsychicMigration
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I'v never been to "vail" but i have been to a resort run by them. They are greedily eating up the industry and slowly destroying the culture and places they buy by jacking prices for every small thing even parking. Get the fuck of the east coast vail your shit doesn't belong here.
fratskier69
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A bunch of stuff changed when they took over whistler:
negatives
-Computer systems had to get downgraded so whis would be at the same level as other vail resorts
-Long time employees were charged (without their knowledge) for their dependent's passes, which are supposed to be free.
-less free parking
-many more i am ignorant of???
-even busier on weekends
-WAY more expensive day tickets
positives
-new chairs got installed->faster laps
-way cheaper season passes (hype)
-epic pass
negatives
-Computer systems had to get downgraded so whis would be at the same level as other vail resorts
-Long time employees were charged (without their knowledge) for their dependent's passes, which are supposed to be free.
-less free parking
-many more i am ignorant of???
-even busier on weekends
-WAY more expensive day tickets
positives
-new chairs got installed->faster laps
-way cheaper season passes (hype)
-epic pass
Titus69
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Vail really only sucks cause they cause local businesses to go under, attract jerrys, and have yellow jackets and slow zones all over. Day pass prices are fucked but just get an epic pass, ski 4 days and you break even, really a good idea cause you get a shit ton of other mountains.
T.L.
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13982766:ajerrywithstyle said:
The whole point of expensive lift tickets is to encourage people to buy the epic pass and plan vacations ahead of time so that the money is in the bank before the lifts even spin in November.
If you're buying $200 day tickets to anywhere, you're most definitely a jerry.
**This post was edited on Jan 8th 2019 at 11:09:44pm
Cheetodawg
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13983124:T.L. said:
Whenever I’m there they have like a single smallish jump. They used to have a jump line with jumps that looked like park city does
Chunderface
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Im a Colorado native and I see no reason to ever ski at Vail. Maybe if you lived there for some reason, otherwise, it makes no sense.
tahoearmada20
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13982815:twea.ker said:
sounds like your friend is fulla shit, hiring for us has been sooooo much easier since vail took over because we now have local, national, and international listings... corporate doesnt have to approve any hires below the management level either
Go buy another Che tshirt from hot topic everyone. Vail is the scapegoat for everyone's problems. Pretty obvious when most of the people that say "fuck vail, it's so corporate" are also raving about the Ikon pass.
And to be honest, some small resorts have some massively shitty management. There's good and bad to everything. Probably 5% of the fuck vail people have a decent argument. The rest are just trend whores looking for something to bitch about.
And to be honest, some small resorts have some massively shitty management. There's good and bad to everything. Probably 5% of the fuck vail people have a decent argument. The rest are just trend whores looking for something to bitch about.
Vail is the worst business I have ever tried to do business with.They are about the sale God forbid you
need customer service because it’s a joke.I can’t express how much they SUCK.Now the bastards have the mountain I skied my whole life on and I feel it’s over.Man do they SUCK!!!!
need customer service because it’s a joke.I can’t express how much they SUCK.Now the bastards have the mountain I skied my whole life on and I feel it’s over.Man do they SUCK!!!!
This is a example of Vail dealing.This is how it was advertised to upgrade a Peak Pass.Once they made their sale however you found this was a lie I waited 10 days before I could even get a answer on where my refund was and then I was told oh don’t worry it will probably be in 3 weeks or so.LIES
It dawns on me now that Vail has a gang of people answering the phones who most likely have a tally sheet of sales they are making check marks on.Unfortunately it’s the same phone number they give for everything so when the agent hears you ask for something that is not going to be a sale you are sunk.Once again my first dealings with this corporation.I now understand all the SUCK talk,They do
qazwsxedc34
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I swear if Vail buys Jay Peak, I'll get a sex change. And I don't want to get a sex change. Also, they shut down the adventure center at Stowe for children in order to increase profits; suck up those pennies. They also said it wasn't shut down and lied to... suck up those remaining pennies. They de-staff locals to save a few more pennies too. I don't know what it is but vail resorts, which is sold on the NY stock exchange, effectively sucks out the local culture of mountain resorts and creates a negative atmosphere. Almost as if there is a silent, invisible war between the principalities of darkness. Idk
Now, because I believe Vail Resorts is run by people -- the higher echelon -- who could care less about skiing and more about the love of money and control, maybe they are doing a little Hegelian dialectic in the ordeal below. Here is an article about an incident at a Vail resort, Stowe.
That's Georges Dionne, a local snowboarder and someone who also acted in Hollywood for sometime.
The reason for his ban? He used obscenities when he complained about a slow lift in 2017. Nobody can independently verify his account because officials at Vail Resorts and Stowe would not answer questions about Dionne's situation, citing customer privacy. Whatever that means; certainly this Dionne would want to speak up about this ordeal.
Johnna Muscente, Vail Resorts' director of corporate communications, did issue a statement that said the company stands by its decision. Probably told by the uppers to say this. Muscente is also overly political judging by her twitter page, though I'm not one to get into politics anymore because I think it's theater for the masses, I noticed that so many of the other vail resort upper level officials and executives also delve into politics which takes up most of their social media feed. It seems as if many of them don't even ski and come straight out of NYC and Washington D.C.
Back to Mr. Dionne. Maybe Georges Dionne is acting? Apparently, he was banned from ALL Vail resorts for life because he "almost" punches someone in the face, and is known as an "irritant." Now, I don't think any of that should get you banned for life, and maybe he really wasn't banned for life, idk, but seeing as Dionne was an actor in hollywood, maybe he was used to set a precedent, I don't know? You know, powerful people do this kind of crap: Create a problem, entice a controlled reaction, provide the predesigned solution, Idk, i'm just saying, idk. COULD BE.
Key words, "tolerance." So, the guy got mad, if he is who he says he is. The point is, any intolerant behavior that Vail Resorts deems intolerant will get you banned. And it can be as small as throwing a snowball.
Well, maybe the point of this ordeal was to create the intolerance precedent, which is all too common in today's world of censorship. This man apparently was banned for this ordeal. If anything, a temporary ban would do. Forgive and forget, is what Jesus said but was then crucified by the Romans and Jews because he was too liberal. The point is this man, Dionne, supposedly assaulted a low-paid worker. But he never really did, he "almost" did. And because he never suggested he could have been wrong he was banned for that reason, apparently. Also, another KEY WORD, "low-paid worker", it''s as if this ordeal was created at the very time people were speaking up about how wages were so low at ski resorts. IDK?
So, we need to police behavior. Where have I heard that before? They have bought 19 mountains in 2019, by 2030, they'll probably have a monopoly on ski resorts. We mine as well just monopolize the world at this point.
Vail was also handing out 4 week bans to passholders who get caught ducking ropes/skiing closed trails. There was a wild thread on FB's the New England Backcountry page. I'm all set with Stowe anyways.
stowe.jpg.db69ec9df1d8c9aef307dd348a84f90e.jpg
Also, when Vail acquired Kirkwood a few years back nothing with the resort itself really changed besides ticket prices almost doubling. Vail is just another massive corporation full of greed and I don't see how anything good can come out of them acquiring Whistler, or the 19 resorts in 2019, or the thousands by 2060, if we are all not dead yet.
Vail owners are:
Robert A. Katz - According to Katz BIO: "Katz is a Jewish, self made millionaire worth 70 million dollars." Vail Resorts CEO Rob Katz - explains his companies new Epic Mix Program and how it uses RF Technology to log and track a skiers. Of course, Vail resorts loves Data and spying on people, sort of like our government. Because the more data that they can obtain -- down to outright stalking every skier -- the more human they feel, and the more spinach they make!
Oh, Katz likes to talk on the 'always truthful' Rupert Murdoch's Fox News too; wouldn't it be funny if Katz had an executive under him worth 10 million who also worked at Fox News and then Vail?
https://www.foxcorporation.com/management/board-of-directors/roland-a-hernandez/
^^^ Here he is talking about tracking skiers.
Ground breaking is it not? All Vail's doing with this is charting your chairlift rides, so it's actually how many vertical feet you rode up the chairlift, not skied down the hill. It's a complete sham. What happens if you hike? The system won't calculate that. What happens if your buddy rides up a lift and skis down to the bottom and is chillin' in the bar? The system still says he's on the mountain b/c he rode a lift. Again, it's a complete sham and pointless, if not used for other reasons.
Here is Katz talking at Daniels college, to point out their sponsors in the beginning of the video, it is all commercial banks.
A commenter had to say:
Katz also likes to say in all of his videos, "Global Reach", and "overtime we buy a resort, we look to build hotels, manage hotels, etc." as well as "synergistic", and "Vail culture", which is just another word for corporate profit making culture.
A humorous look at Vail CEO Rob Katz and Ski School director Bobby Murphy discussing ski school profits, instructor compensation and how Vail Resorts can continue to grow the bottom line by increasing the gap between what they charge customers ($850+/day for a private lesson) and pay the instructors who teach those lessons (under $70/day in some cases with an average of about $110/day), basically peasants. Funny but sad, but at least Katz and the executives under crony capitalism, not to be mistaken with classical Liberalist Capitalism can get a few extra million dollars.
He loves talking on TV and loves money speculation too:
"The $4,800,000.00 I got paid last year...."-CEO Rob Katz
This is all an obscene situation. Every worker-bee at a ski area barely survives their serf wages. Patrollers risk their lives, lifites sacrifice comfort and time at a miserable job while cafeteria workers put up with overprivileged customers with a smile.
Yet resorts have no reservations charging a week's groceries for a day pass.
For instance, this video, although it mentions Aspen Ski, Aspen ski also banned a ski instructor for passing out living wage flyers; is what exactly? And the trial date keeps rolling....
https://www.facebook.com/Stop-the-ban-Protect-our-freedom-of-speech-328716400520776/
In the US it is all about profit, and too much profit, whilst the wealth inequality keeps on climbing, whilst more people become homeless as the age of death declines too. Oligarchs and corporatists are so cool! But they work hard and the peasants at ski resorts can't possibly work as hard as them.
**This post was edited on Dec 1st 2019 at 7:04:08am
**This post was edited on Dec 1st 2019 at 7:25:53am
Now, because I believe Vail Resorts is run by people -- the higher echelon -- who could care less about skiing and more about the love of money and control, maybe they are doing a little Hegelian dialectic in the ordeal below. Here is an article about an incident at a Vail resort, Stowe.
That's Georges Dionne, a local snowboarder and someone who also acted in Hollywood for sometime.
The reason for his ban? He used obscenities when he complained about a slow lift in 2017. Nobody can independently verify his account because officials at Vail Resorts and Stowe would not answer questions about Dionne's situation, citing customer privacy. Whatever that means; certainly this Dionne would want to speak up about this ordeal.
Johnna Muscente, Vail Resorts' director of corporate communications, did issue a statement that said the company stands by its decision. Probably told by the uppers to say this. Muscente is also overly political judging by her twitter page, though I'm not one to get into politics anymore because I think it's theater for the masses, I noticed that so many of the other vail resort upper level officials and executives also delve into politics which takes up most of their social media feed. It seems as if many of them don't even ski and come straight out of NYC and Washington D.C.
Back to Mr. Dionne. Maybe Georges Dionne is acting? Apparently, he was banned from ALL Vail resorts for life because he "almost" punches someone in the face, and is known as an "irritant." Now, I don't think any of that should get you banned for life, and maybe he really wasn't banned for life, idk, but seeing as Dionne was an actor in hollywood, maybe he was used to set a precedent, I don't know? You know, powerful people do this kind of crap: Create a problem, entice a controlled reaction, provide the predesigned solution, Idk, i'm just saying, idk. COULD BE.
Key words, "tolerance." So, the guy got mad, if he is who he says he is. The point is, any intolerant behavior that Vail Resorts deems intolerant will get you banned. And it can be as small as throwing a snowball.
Well, maybe the point of this ordeal was to create the intolerance precedent, which is all too common in today's world of censorship. This man apparently was banned for this ordeal. If anything, a temporary ban would do. Forgive and forget, is what Jesus said but was then crucified by the Romans and Jews because he was too liberal. The point is this man, Dionne, supposedly assaulted a low-paid worker. But he never really did, he "almost" did. And because he never suggested he could have been wrong he was banned for that reason, apparently. Also, another KEY WORD, "low-paid worker", it''s as if this ordeal was created at the very time people were speaking up about how wages were so low at ski resorts. IDK?
So, we need to police behavior. Where have I heard that before? They have bought 19 mountains in 2019, by 2030, they'll probably have a monopoly on ski resorts. We mine as well just monopolize the world at this point.
Vail was also handing out 4 week bans to passholders who get caught ducking ropes/skiing closed trails. There was a wild thread on FB's the New England Backcountry page. I'm all set with Stowe anyways.
stowe.jpg.db69ec9df1d8c9aef307dd348a84f90e.jpg
Also, when Vail acquired Kirkwood a few years back nothing with the resort itself really changed besides ticket prices almost doubling. Vail is just another massive corporation full of greed and I don't see how anything good can come out of them acquiring Whistler, or the 19 resorts in 2019, or the thousands by 2060, if we are all not dead yet.
Vail owners are:
Robert A. Katz - According to Katz BIO: "Katz is a Jewish, self made millionaire worth 70 million dollars." Vail Resorts CEO Rob Katz - explains his companies new Epic Mix Program and how it uses RF Technology to log and track a skiers. Of course, Vail resorts loves Data and spying on people, sort of like our government. Because the more data that they can obtain -- down to outright stalking every skier -- the more human they feel, and the more spinach they make!
https://www.foxcorporation.com/management/board-of-directors/roland-a-hernandez/
^^^ Here he is talking about tracking skiers.
Ground breaking is it not? All Vail's doing with this is charting your chairlift rides, so it's actually how many vertical feet you rode up the chairlift, not skied down the hill. It's a complete sham. What happens if you hike? The system won't calculate that. What happens if your buddy rides up a lift and skis down to the bottom and is chillin' in the bar? The system still says he's on the mountain b/c he rode a lift. Again, it's a complete sham and pointless, if not used for other reasons.
Here is Katz talking at Daniels college, to point out their sponsors in the beginning of the video, it is all commercial banks.
Katz also likes to say in all of his videos, "Global Reach", and "overtime we buy a resort, we look to build hotels, manage hotels, etc." as well as "synergistic", and "Vail culture", which is just another word for corporate profit making culture.
A humorous look at Vail CEO Rob Katz and Ski School director Bobby Murphy discussing ski school profits, instructor compensation and how Vail Resorts can continue to grow the bottom line by increasing the gap between what they charge customers ($850+/day for a private lesson) and pay the instructors who teach those lessons (under $70/day in some cases with an average of about $110/day), basically peasants. Funny but sad, but at least Katz and the executives under crony capitalism, not to be mistaken with classical Liberalist Capitalism can get a few extra million dollars.
This is all an obscene situation. Every worker-bee at a ski area barely survives their serf wages. Patrollers risk their lives, lifites sacrifice comfort and time at a miserable job while cafeteria workers put up with overprivileged customers with a smile.
Yet resorts have no reservations charging a week's groceries for a day pass.
For instance, this video, although it mentions Aspen Ski, Aspen ski also banned a ski instructor for passing out living wage flyers; is what exactly? And the trial date keeps rolling....
https://www.facebook.com/Stop-the-ban-Protect-our-freedom-of-speech-328716400520776/
In the US it is all about profit, and too much profit, whilst the wealth inequality keeps on climbing, whilst more people become homeless as the age of death declines too. Oligarchs and corporatists are so cool! But they work hard and the peasants at ski resorts can't possibly work as hard as them.
**This post was edited on Dec 1st 2019 at 7:04:08am
**This post was edited on Dec 1st 2019 at 7:25:53am
qazwsxedc34
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The highest executives and owners are Robert Katz, a Jewish self-made millionaire worth a measly 70,000,000 dollars, who formerly worked at Apollo Global Management.
The next is, Joshua Harris, the former Vail Resorts CEO, who now controls and owns the interests on Vail Resorts and is one of the largest shareholders. Harris is a self made Jewish Billionaire worth 4,500,000,000 dollars, not that much.
Vail Resorts also has Marc J. Rowan, a self-made Jewish billionaire worth 3,600,000,000, also not that much, formerly worked at Apollo Global Management and is a shareholder for Vail.
Leon Black, the owner of Apollo Global Management, a Jewish self-made billionaire worth 7,800,000,000, also, not that much, de-stressed the debt for Vail and was the former boss for Katz. He currently has a large amount of shares in Vail Resorts but under the others below.
Black's father was CEO of the fruit company which is now named Chiquita during the scandal where they payed foreign terrorist groups to kill local people in order to farm and privatize the land.
Other uppers at Vail and those with stock in the corp include:
Michael Foss, a self-made Jewish multi millionaire.
As well as the Gart Brothers who have a large share in Vail. They are all self-made Jewish multi millionaires.
As well as David Shapiro, Executive Vice President, General Counsel & Secretary at Vail.
As well as Michael Barkin from Belarus: Mr. Barkin currently serves on the board of directors of CLEAR, the secure biometrics identity company,.
Patricia A. Campbell, who seems to be the only cool person in the upper echelon.
Kirsten A. Lynch another upper at Vail served as Executive Vice President and Chief Marketing Officer since July 2011.She formerly worked at the wonderful PepsiCo, Inc., where she was Chief Marketing Officer of the Quaker Foods and Snacks Division from 2009 to 2011, leading the brand marketing, consumer insights and shopper marketing organization for the alway nutritional food, yum. From 2007 to 2009, she was Vice President of Marketing for Kraft Foods Group, Inc.’s Cheese and Dairy Business. Also, good in nutrition /s. Ms. Lynch had worked for Kraft Foods since 1996, holding various marketing positions for the company’s product divisions, including Senior Marketing Director of Kraft Mac & Cheese and Family Dinners, as well as Senior Brand Manager and Brand Manager for product lines such as salad dressings, barbecue, DiGiorno Pasta & Sauce and Miracle Whip. Ms. Lynch started her career with Ford Motor Company in marketing and sales. Ms. Lynch is also a member of the board of directors of Stitch Fix, Inc., a publicly traded ecommerce company focused on personalized data-driven fashion.
Some other Vail shareholders include:
T. Rowe Price Associates, Inc. owned by Bill Stromberg : Former NFL football player, and Catholic worth millions.
https://www.troweprice.com/corporate/en/home.html
Ronald Baron/Baron Capital Management, Inc. owned by Ronald S. Baron a self-made Jewish Billionaire worth 2.3 billion. He has a beautiful 28,000 square foot house, and it's design is actually pretty cool.
The Vanguard Group, Inc.
and
BlackRock Inc. known as the shadow bank.
**This post was edited on Dec 1st 2019 at 8:53:51am
T.L.
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14082805:ParryWithAnA said:
There's not enough professionals in the industry with the expertise to replace them all so the majority of them should still be around unless they don't want to fall in line with best practices and SOPs that will be coming down the line for them next season.
You'll likely have to deal directly with corporate contacts in order to organize anything officially so I'd probably reach out now and get that in the works.
Shit, when I was at the other "Creek", Shane just hit me up on facebox and I was like "yeah, dope, we'll get ya whatever you need." Working for VR now it's a way different atmosphere to get anything done. VR doesn't like big parks, social media, comps, events.. any of that cool shit so.. I'm really curious how they're going to handle places like carinthia and big boulder moving forward since that's pretty much what they've been all about for the last 10-15 years.
qazwsxedc34
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14082789:SkiBum. said:
Do you read books? THe post isn't that long, and it proves that these people care only about profits. They love money, and hoard it by the millions and billiosn the complete opposite of what Jesus preached. That and they have screwed with ski instructors wages to obtain some more money for their hefty salaries and bonuses as well as money speculation. Vail Resorts, the corporate side of the company is a parasite and no different than parasitic money speculators on wall street.
PeppermillReno
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13983139:skeirman said:
It’s not an easy mountain to get to coming from somewhere nearby in Colorado ie Summit/Denver or west/south. Different bus system than Summit Co hills. Pretty long bus ride from wherever is free to park. 50 bucks a day in the village with a long walk carrying skis. Pain in the ass.
But it’s fun intermediate skiing. I’ll have free access to it this year and IDK if I’ll ski at all there. Probably only if I can afford a dank hotel and a couple benders.
Ive also never skiied it if it wasn’t a powder day.
Emma_Watson
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13983261:theabortionator said:
i got my che t-shirt from a real militant during my study abroad my parents paid for so ha take that u smelly capitalist
b0ss
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13982856:DummyBears said:
This "culture" you speak of is stronger than ever in other resorts.
Vail resorts simply has a different vision of skiing. And honestly if they can bring rich people into the industry to spend 200 on day passes and 600 on the brands I like. Thats all good to me, laat time i checked research and development is expensive and needs funding. Felt smart might delete this later
Vail does it again my buddy upgrade to Epic Pass from Peak with the promise you get all the benefits you had with your peak for this year....oh except any buddy pass or discount for a friend!Vail is ridiculous such liars.Why is my question they are big enough to do it right but would rather screw over the little guy
CaptainObvious.
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14102193:Pyduck said:
Shut the fuck up and stop bumping this thread.
BigPurpleSkiSuit
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As a Jew, I can tell you Vail is simply an extension of the branch that is the elders of zion, we like skiing, and while I think bios are the coolest rotation, the elders seem to think it's a a switch 5 dub japan.
14082737:greaterisrael said:
14102426:ShadowXVX said:
You didn't go to beaver creek
14102429:ShadowXVX said:
Then you suck at finding good terrain. Plenty of the good terrain is jerry free. Also holds snow in good sections weeks after storms sometimes. I get wanting to hate vail, but saying that beaver creek has no good terrain is just dumb imo.
Idk plenty of other "core" mtns you can go to that sound cooler to talk about I guess.