Vail resorts pass pulled?

[Static]

Switch skiing, jumping off stuff, and skiing fast is significantly more dangerous than standard psia taught skiing haha. Those folks don't want that atmosphere. They want a safe, pampered, upper crust experience. Otherwise, why wouldn't they save a couple bucks and go ski atvtge more laid back resort with better terrain?

I think the split we have now is great. The shitty, flat resorts are the pretentious, upper crust spots, and the laid back resorts generally have the rad terrain. They like their culture and we like ours. If either of us wants a taste of the others resort and culture we are more than welcome.

Yea, there's a divide now, but it's going away. Vail's operations plan is the future of lift accessed skiing in the US at least, apparently you don't give a shit, some of us do. But don't act there's something wrong with calling these shitty companies and their shitty practices out.

 

[californiagrown]

Yea, there's a divide now, but it's going away. Vail's operations plan is the future of lift accessed skiing in the US at least, apparently you don't give a shit, some of us do. But don't act there's something wrong with calling these shitty companies and their shitty practices out.

Why is your way the absolute right way? Do you not think many people enjoy and appreciate the way Vail runs their resort?

 

[Static]

Do you not think many people enjoy and appreciate the way Vail runs their resort?

They do, and luckily for bible belt families every resort will be run that way eventually, that's the point I was making in response your your "2 types of ski areas" theory. You know of any ski areas without SLOW signs?

 

[californiagrown]

They do, and luckily for bible belt families every resort will be run that way eventually, that's the point I was making in response your your "2 types of ski areas" theory. You know of any ski areas without SLOW signs?

IDK, i never have issues at Kirkwood(at vail resort), Crystal, Alpental, or targhee. I also never see slow signs anywhere except at the base.

I guess i dont see the problems you see because i dont ever go to the "other" resorts, intentionally. And honestly, if i did, id have no issue with folks wanting me to slow down near groomer intersections, or in busy areas.

But really, you all are bitching about "freeskiing" not beeing free at highly regulated resorts. Duh! If you want to actually be free, starp some skins on or fire up a sled.

 

[W.park]

After reading the whole thread, there probably isnt much I could say to change anybodys mind, but as a full time patroller Ill say a few things just for some insight. DISCLAIMER: I do not patrol at a vail resort so I cant really attest to why the patrollers there seem to have such shitty attitudes, but I can say that every rule is there for a reason.

1. Every rope, slow sign, no jumping sign, closed sign or caution sign is most likely there because of some previous accident where someone was seriously injured. Patrol doesn't gather in the locker room plotting the best ways to ruin the locals days. Our main goal is, believe it or not, to help.

2. Skiing switch(no matter how much I like doing it) is ABSOLUTELY reckless skiing. You do not have near as much control as when you are skiing forwards and you have a major blind spot in the shoulder you are not looking over.

3. No jumping signs are usually on cat tracks or knolls in high traffic areas. When you are in the air you have ZERO control of your direction and speed, leading to more accidents. There are plenty of places to get air on the mountain with a less likely chance of hitting some soccer mom with tunnel vision.

4. Slow signs are there for a reason as well. Do you really need to go mach 10 on the green or blue run that is in between the park and the lift? Just slow down. Nobody will pull your pass.

5. Dont duck a rope, it does not take that much time out of your day to go around to a gate or another trail.

To OP: Warnings stay on the computer for more than just one year. Im not exactly sure how long, but it ensures that nobody acts like a dumbass towards the end of the season and comes back next year with a clean slate.

 

[dan4060]

After reading the whole thread, there probably isnt much I could say to change anybodys mind, but as a full time patroller Ill say a few things just for some insight. DISCLAIMER: I do not patrol at a vail resort so I cant really attest to why the patrollers there seem to have such shitty attitudes, but I can say that every rule is there for a reason.

1. Every rope, slow sign, no jumping sign, closed sign or caution sign is most likely there because of some previous accident where someone was seriously injured. Patrol doesn't gather in the locker room plotting the best ways to ruin the locals days. Our main goal is, believe it or not, to help.

2. Skiing switch(no matter how much I like doing it) is ABSOLUTELY reckless skiing. You do not have near as much control as when you are skiing forwards and you have a major blind spot in the shoulder you are not looking over.

3. No jumping signs are usually on cat tracks or knolls in high traffic areas. When you are in the air you have ZERO control of your direction and speed, leading to more accidents. There are plenty of places to get air on the mountain with a less likely chance of hitting some soccer mom with tunnel vision.

4. Slow signs are there for a reason as well. Do you really need to go mach 10 on the green or blue run that is in between the park and the lift? Just slow down. Nobody will pull your pass.

5. Dont duck a rope, it does not take that much time out of your day to go around to a gate or another trail.

To OP: Warnings stay on the computer for more than just one year. Im not exactly sure how long, but it ensures that nobody acts like a dumbass towards the end of the season and comes back next year with a clean slate.

Good advice.

I do wonder about bombing down green/blue runs that are crowded. Does that really add that much fun to the day? I ski resort steeps, not the park, so my favorite parts of the day at Mammoth are spent in the noids and hangman's and other places like that. Bombing down a green or blue run should not be a big deal, don't park guys get more enjoyment out of hitting kickers? I'm not blaming people if bombing through slow zones is the best part of the day, just saying that it does not matter to me. For me the groomers are just a way to get to the good stuff, so going mach 10 does not do that much for me. Don't get me wrong, I like super g turns as much as the next guy, but it is not worth it for me to do that in a slow zone. I don't see the big deal about going slow in a slow zone. I will also throw out the disclaimer that I ski at Mammoth, not a Vail resort, so it is very possible that things are excessive at Vail, I don't claim to know, but at Mammoth I only see slow signs where they are completely reasonable.

And to reiterate what others have said, regardless of whether or not a slow sign should be there, you simply have to obey them if you want to ski on the mountain. I also would not run, you might get away but if you get caught I would think that would be an automatic suspension (maybe the troller above can weigh in) which is a whole lot worse than a warning. I don't see that as worth the risk. Once again, the mountains have rules, right or wrong, and you just have to obey them. Otherwise you will continue to have difficulties.

 

[W.park]

I also would not run, you might get away but if you get caught I would think that would be an automatic suspension (maybe the troller above can weigh in) which is a whole lot worse than a warning.

Where I work we are told not to chase people, it is a waste of time. In a situation where someone is injured, they are the priority, not the person breaking the rules.

Some mountains may instruct their patrollers to call down to security though, in which case the punishment will be much more severe.

 

[dan4060]

Where I work we are told not to chase people, it is a waste of time. In a situation where someone is injured, they are the priority, not the person breaking the rules.

Some mountains may instruct their patrollers to call down to security though, in which case the punishment will be much more severe.

Very interesting. Thanks for the info.

 

[crawley]

2. Skiing switch(no matter how much I like doing it) is ABSOLUTELY reckless skiing.

There it is. Hands down the dumbest thing I've ever read on NS.

 

[californiagrown]

There it is. Hands down the dumbest thing I've ever read on NS.

you want to be Ignant, NOT Ignorant. You got those two mixed up.

 

[W.park]

There it is. Hands down the dumbest thing I've ever read on NS.

Really? Thats the dumbest? Ok.

When you can turn your head 180 degrees and make your knees bend the other way I will agree with you.

 

[Nicholas.Suchy]

They don't do shit like this in Europe because no one goes sue happy over there.

Kid, you broke the rules, that you obviously knew, 3 times. You're a dumbass and deserve your pass pulled.

Hahaha -75 ^^ shows you how much NSers hate you lol

I totally agree. You know the risks when doing dumb shit. We've all done it.

You too ^

 

[scratchskier321]

After reading the whole thread, there probably isnt much I could say to change anybodys mind, but as a full time patroller Ill say a few things just for some insight. DISCLAIMER: I do not patrol at a vail resort so I cant really attest to why the patrollers there seem to have such shitty attitudes, but I can say that every rule is there for a reason.

1. Every rope, slow sign, no jumping sign, closed sign or caution sign is most likely there because of some previous accident where someone was seriously injured. Patrol doesn't gather in the locker room plotting the best ways to ruin the locals days. Our main goal is, believe it or not, to help.

2. Skiing switch(no matter how much I like doing it) is ABSOLUTELY reckless skiing. You do not have near as much control as when you are skiing forwards and you have a major blind spot in the shoulder you are not looking over.

3. No jumping signs are usually on cat tracks or knolls in high traffic areas. When you are in the air you have ZERO control of your direction and speed, leading to more accidents. There are plenty of places to get air on the mountain with a less likely chance of hitting some soccer mom with tunnel vision.

4. Slow signs are there for a reason as well. Do you really need to go mach 10 on the green or blue run that is in between the park and the lift? Just slow down. Nobody will pull your pass.

5. Dont duck a rope, it does not take that much time out of your day to go around to a gate or another trail.

To OP: Warnings stay on the computer for more than just one year. Im not exactly sure how long, but it ensures that nobody acts like a dumbass towards the end of the season and comes back next year with a clean slate.

I disagree with #2, just because you feel reckless and have a massive blind spot when you ski switch... Doesn't mean I do.

 

[californiagrown]

I disagree with #2, just because you feel reckless and have a massive blind spot when you ski switch... Doesn't mean I do.

um, yes you do have a ,massive blind spot haha.

 

[K-Dot.]

1. Every rope, slow sign, no jumping sign, closed sign or caution sign is most likely there because of some previous accident where someone was seriously injured. Patrol doesn't gather in the locker room plotting the best ways to ruin the locals days. Our main goal is, believe it or not, to help.

2. Skiing switch(no matter how much I like doing it) is ABSOLUTELY reckless skiing. You do not have near as much control as when you are skiing forwards and you have a major blind spot in the shoulder you are not looking over.

1. I know patrollers put ropes, signs, etc. up for a purpose. I'm glad they do. However your insight is really quite useless because yellow jackets are not patrollers. I value and appreciate all that patrollers do but what do yellow jackets do for me? Scare me? They sure as hell aren't making sure I don't accidentally fall off of a cliff. Every other resort is fine with just using patrollers to regulate things. These guys are literally given the job of standing around in anticipation of power tripping on anyone that they deem "unsafe". As I said in one of my earlier posts, its really hard to understand what it's like if you haven't spent much time at a vail resort.

2. Skiing switch CAN be reckless, but so can Jerry on his first day out on vacation. To categorize all switch skiing as reckless is so archaic and unfounded. You don't have blindspots, if anything you have just as much vision as forward skiing. Proper switch skiing, which despite all of park skiings perceived short comings, means you swivel your head as you turn. And guess who the best people at skiing switch on the mountain are? You guessed it, the same park rats getting profiled. Albeit, switch skiing in busy areas isn't always smart, and there are many instances where you shouldn't do it. However, those instances deserve a warning, not the pulling of a pass.

Should we pull the passes of snowboarders because they have a blindspot on their back edge?

 

[PeppermillReno]

I think its pretty lame that people are getting their pass pulled for very minor shit and aren't trying to find out the dickhead who did it to them's personal info to get some revenge.

You better believe some motherfucker would be eating his food out of a straw if they did that to me.

 

[leprechaunsissy]

I think its pretty lame that people are getting their pass pulled for very minor shit and aren't trying to find out the dickhead who did it to them's personal info to get some revenge.

You better believe some motherfucker would be eating his food out of a straw if they did that to me.

Why would you want them to eat of a straw?

 

[hemlockjibber8]

What is the JH rope policy you of?

Soft closures are fair game to ride, hard closures are a no go. They make the definition with signage and the number of ropes. Basically if you can duck the rope, ride it. If there are two or three ropes and you just cant ride under, its a hard closure.

Kicking Horse has the same policy. And what the fuck is a no-air zone? These resorts sound lame. Ski with common sense. I find the less shitty skiers at a hill the less patrol does for baby sitting. There are probably 5 signs at Kicking Horse and I don't think ski patrol has ever pulled a pass that didn't have to do with avalanche terrain.

 

[hemlockjibber8]

After reading the whole thread, there probably isnt much I could say to change anybodys mind, but as a full time patroller Ill say a few things just for some insight. DISCLAIMER: I do not patrol at a vail resort so I cant really attest to why the patrollers there seem to have such shitty attitudes, but I can say that every rule is there for a reason.

1. Every rope, slow sign, no jumping sign, closed sign or caution sign is most likely there because of some previous accident where someone was seriously injured. Patrol doesn't gather in the locker room plotting the best ways to ruin the locals days. Our main goal is, believe it or not, to help.

2. Skiing switch(no matter how much I like doing it) is ABSOLUTELY reckless skiing. You do not have near as much control as when you are skiing forwards and you have a major blind spot in the shoulder you are not looking over.

3. No jumping signs are usually on cat tracks or knolls in high traffic areas. When you are in the air you have ZERO control of your direction and speed, leading to more accidents. There are plenty of places to get air on the mountain with a less likely chance of hitting some soccer mom with tunnel vision.

4. Slow signs are there for a reason as well. Do you really need to go mach 10 on the green or blue run that is in between the park and the lift? Just slow down. Nobody will pull your pass.

5. Dont duck a rope, it does not take that much time out of your day to go around to a gate or another trail.

To OP: Warnings stay on the computer for more than just one year. Im not exactly sure how long, but it ensures that nobody acts like a dumbass towards the end of the season and comes back next year with a clean slate.

Everything you said is quite legit. Except for switch skiing. It is not always reckless, just as forward skiing is. To give a warning solely for the fact that someone is skiing switch is bullshit. How about you wait for them to do something reckless then give them a warning. You should be able to see everything in front of you and a very large peripheral view, then you turn the other way, rotate which shoulder you look over and see everything else, including what's behind you. You can't see what's behind you when you ski forwards, sounds reckless. Snowboarders have a blindside, sounds reckless. I hope you are able to think about this properly next time. I also recommend heading to a quiet run and figuring out how to ski switch properly.

 

[californiagrown]

Everything you said is quite legit. Except for switch skiing. It is not always reckless, just as forward skiing is. To give a warning solely for the fact that someone is skiing switch is bullshit. How about you wait for them to do something reckless then give them a warning. You should be able to see everything in front of you and a very large peripheral view, then you turn the other way, rotate which shoulder you look over and see everything else, including what's behind you. You can't see what's behind you when you ski forwards, sounds reckless. Snowboarders have a blindside, sounds reckless. I hope you are able to think about this properly next time. I also recommend heading to a quiet run and figuring out how to ski switch properly.

Difference is, skiing switch is choosing to have significantly less control, and significantly worse sight. Both are choices the skier is making .

Jerry, and snowboarders aren't choosing to have less control and poorer sightlines.

 

[hemlockjibber8]

Difference is, skiing switch is choosing to have significantly less control, and significantly worse sight. Both are choices the skier is making .

Jerry, and snowboarders aren't choosing to have less control and poorer sightlines.

Yes, I agree that skiing switch is more difficult. I do not believe it SIGNIFICANTLY reduces your ability to avoid dangers, but yes, you do have a harder time. Just like you do when you have super fat skis, goggles that are too tinted on a foggy day, boots that are ill fit and just choosing to ski on an icy day. My point still stands that skiing switch in itself is not grounds for punishment.

 

[californiagrown]

Yes, I agree that skiing switch is more difficult. I do not believe it SIGNIFICANTLY reduces your ability to avoid dangers, but yes, you do have a harder time. Just like you do when you have super fat skis, goggles that are too tinted on a foggy day, boots that are ill fit and just choosing to ski on an icy day. My point still stands that skiing switch in itself is not grounds for punishment.

And it never is. It gets punished when folks do it on crowded runs or in crowded areas.

 

[theabortionator]

Yea, there's a divide now, but it's going away. Vail's operations plan is the future of lift accessed skiing in the US at least, apparently you don't give a shit, some of us do. But don't act there's something wrong with calling these shitty companies and their shitty practices out.

Vail is so shitty. It's so lame that they generally have 5 or so of the top 10 parks in the world every season. They suck so much.When I go to vail resorts I don't even hit the parks because I don't want to touch my skis to their corporate rails.

I'd much rather ride some inferior park in a place nobody has ever hear of because it's so underground, untapped, and so fucking core.

 

[theabortionator]

I also would not run, you might get away but if you get caught I would think that would be an automatic suspension (maybe the troller above can weigh in) which is a whole lot worse than a warning. I don't see that as worth the risk. Once again, the mountains have rules, right or wrong, and you just have to obey them. Otherwise you will continue to have difficulties.

Well, if you ignore them and leave you keep ignoring them. You don't suddenly stop and say here is my pass. They can't just grab you. Don't be a douche but just walk away and leave for the day. or just ski away from them in control and then leave at the bottom.

For the most part though if you aren't bombing down slow trails, jumping marked rollers, or ducking ropes you have nothing to worry about.

It's really not hard to avoid any confrontations at all. With the volume of people at some of these resorts and the ridiculous amount of lawsuits for everything these days, it blows my mind that people can't grasp why a company would try to limit any of that and keep things safer.

" Oh my god, vail doesn't do everything the way I want, they're so shitty!" " Fuck vail, I'm totally good at skiing and in control"(Something that even the sketchiest gaper would say)

 

[hemlockjibber8]

And it never is. It gets punished when folks do it on crowded runs or in crowded areas.

Fair enough. His story makes it sound otherwise. That being said, like you, I don't ski at shitty hills with these problems.

 

[UilyJeff]

Hahaha -75 ^^ shows you how much NSers hate you lol

You too ^

Yeah because why use common sense.

 

[Static]

Vail is so shitty. It's so lame that they generally have 5 or so of the top 10 parks in the world every season. They suck so much.When I go to vail resorts I don't even hit the parks because I don't want to touch my skis to their corporate rails.

I'd much rather ride some inferior park in a place nobody has ever hear of because it's so underground, untapped, and so fucking core.

No one is complaining about their parks, or their high speed lifts or their fleet of snowcats, or even their popularity. Not sure what the point of your sarcastic little was.

 

[theabortionator]

No one is complaining about their parks, or their high speed lifts or their fleet of snowcats, or even their popularity. Not sure what the point of your sarcastic little was.

So Vail is really legit? But everyone just wants to bitch because they got yelled at for doing something dumb?

Amd I getting closer