US government planned attacks against America (false flag operations)
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Mr.Panda
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no it doesnt upset me at all... i feel that as an american it is my job to QUESTION the governments decision but not make up this crazy shit that they attack us. if it turns out to be true, who gives a shit i cant do anything about the past, and one person cant do anything by themselves anyways in this country anymore so it isnt worth it to worry about it.
call me a cynic, douchebag, unamerican ass all you want but i dont care. i choose to believe that on subjects like 9/11 and other such things there are no conspiracy theroies.... because to me, conspiracy theories are made by people who are bored out of their minds at 3 in the morning and make them up to get attention. ill give an example, Jack Ruby shot Oswald... now, you could choose to believe that the CIA did in fact want JFK dead and hired Oswald to shoot JFK then Ruby to shoot Oswald, OR, you can choose to believe as i do that Ruby was a hardcore JFK supporter and was super pissed at Oswald and wanted revenge.
9/11, you can choose to believe that the government planned it and shit like some people here in NSG have kinda hinted at, or, you can believe that YES, there are actually people out there that hate the USA so much that they wish to see us wiped off the face of the earth....
personally, what i believe is what i believe and there arent any real way that these consipracy theories and "proof" that will make me think otherwise... im sorry.
call me a cynic, douchebag, unamerican ass all you want but i dont care. i choose to believe that on subjects like 9/11 and other such things there are no conspiracy theroies.... because to me, conspiracy theories are made by people who are bored out of their minds at 3 in the morning and make them up to get attention. ill give an example, Jack Ruby shot Oswald... now, you could choose to believe that the CIA did in fact want JFK dead and hired Oswald to shoot JFK then Ruby to shoot Oswald, OR, you can choose to believe as i do that Ruby was a hardcore JFK supporter and was super pissed at Oswald and wanted revenge.
9/11, you can choose to believe that the government planned it and shit like some people here in NSG have kinda hinted at, or, you can believe that YES, there are actually people out there that hate the USA so much that they wish to see us wiped off the face of the earth....
personally, what i believe is what i believe and there arent any real way that these consipracy theories and "proof" that will make me think otherwise... im sorry.
your writing skills are rather poor,
1) do you think the Northwoods Documents are fake?
2) did you consider the changes in your legal rights stemming from things like the patriot act?
3) no one can do anything about the past, but if you forget about the past the government will keep using the same tricks to fool people in here and now.
4) would you give a shit if you or a loved one got killed because of a false flag attack?
1) do you think the Northwoods Documents are fake?
2) did you consider the changes in your legal rights stemming from things like the patriot act?
3) no one can do anything about the past, but if you forget about the past the government will keep using the same tricks to fool people in here and now.
4) would you give a shit if you or a loved one got killed because of a false flag attack?
Mr.Panda
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my writing skills may be poor but i dont need some idiot on the interweb to tell me what he thinks of them because my college profs say i write DAMN well so fuck off
1.)yes i do, cause like i said, conspiracy theories are created by bored people
2.)yes i did, and dont give a shit because i have nothing to hide
3.)while that could be true, IF they are indeed doing that then there is a secret police and all other sort of shit just like in V For Vendetta and outside of killing all the politicians and blowing up the White House we cant do anything to change that
4.)i would, and probably would go a little crazy and go out guns blazing.... but since i dont believe in so called flase flag attacks i couldnt give two shits right now.
1.)yes i do, cause like i said, conspiracy theories are created by bored people
2.)yes i did, and dont give a shit because i have nothing to hide
3.)while that could be true, IF they are indeed doing that then there is a secret police and all other sort of shit just like in V For Vendetta and outside of killing all the politicians and blowing up the White House we cant do anything to change that
4.)i would, and probably would go a little crazy and go out guns blazing.... but since i dont believe in so called flase flag attacks i couldnt give two shits right now.
well you yourself are now a conspiracy theorist. you believe that the national archive (in case you dont know what that is, its part of the federal government) posts fake documents on its website (the content of which is controlled by the government).
It posts fake documents which states that parts of our government plans attacks against our own country.
or is your conspiracy that a hacker has created this document and somehow managed to sneak it onto the national archives website and its gone undetected for 12 years.
which one?
It posts fake documents which states that parts of our government plans attacks against our own country.
or is your conspiracy that a hacker has created this document and somehow managed to sneak it onto the national archives website and its gone undetected for 12 years.
which one?
Mr.Panda
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dont patronize me you shit. i know what the national archiveS (there is an 's' at the end of the word archive you dipshit) is....
and from what i learned in my political scinece classes in school (granted i only went through one year of it so far so im not calling myself on expert) is that the national archives are required to hold onto and catalogue anything even REMOTELY related to our government... from the JFK conspiracies, the moon thing, and everything else.
i will say this, i think reading about them in books and stuff is a great time consuming activity for when im stuck with idiot coworkers i dont want to deal with, on a plane, or a bus ride from Bellingham, WA to Spokane (6 hrs)... but as far as believing anything? i guess im like house, i need the proof (like hard solid, here is the gun you can hold it) type proof for me to believe just about anything.
so, im not saying you are an idiot for believe this sort of stuff, it just isnt for me and i cant understand how people seem so quick to want to think the government planned stuff like 9/11 and other things.
and from what i learned in my political scinece classes in school (granted i only went through one year of it so far so im not calling myself on expert) is that the national archives are required to hold onto and catalogue anything even REMOTELY related to our government... from the JFK conspiracies, the moon thing, and everything else.
i will say this, i think reading about them in books and stuff is a great time consuming activity for when im stuck with idiot coworkers i dont want to deal with, on a plane, or a bus ride from Bellingham, WA to Spokane (6 hrs)... but as far as believing anything? i guess im like house, i need the proof (like hard solid, here is the gun you can hold it) type proof for me to believe just about anything.
so, im not saying you are an idiot for believe this sort of stuff, it just isnt for me and i cant understand how people seem so quick to want to think the government planned stuff like 9/11 and other things.
ok lets stick to the northwoods documents for this moment.
you said they were fake. you offered no explanation as to why.
i laid out two possibilities. Do you like either of them? why do you think it is fake.
to me the is proof beyond any doubt that our government has planned attacks against american citizens
you said they were fake. you offered no explanation as to why.
i laid out two possibilities. Do you like either of them? why do you think it is fake.
to me the is proof beyond any doubt that our government has planned attacks against american citizens
Mr.Panda
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i dont remember saying outright they were fake but i could be wrong, i worked 10 hours today and have been up for over 20 hours now so im probably wrong.
i personally think they are fake cause i find it really REALLY hard to believe that the government would attack its own people. and please dont start screaming that "AW MAN!!! BUSH WOULD TATALLY DO DAT!!!!" and shit, just leave the political party screaming out of it please. im not denying that the government lies to us sometimes, bends the constitution pretty far (especially as of recent times... BOTH Bush and Obama), and that altogether the only people i trust are personal friends and the ONLY reason i vote is so i have a right to bitch.
i personally think they are fake cause i find it really REALLY hard to believe that the government would attack its own people. and please dont start screaming that "AW MAN!!! BUSH WOULD TATALLY DO DAT!!!!" and shit, just leave the political party screaming out of it please. im not denying that the government lies to us sometimes, bends the constitution pretty far (especially as of recent times... BOTH Bush and Obama), and that altogether the only people i trust are personal friends and the ONLY reason i vote is so i have a right to bitch.
hahahaha scroll up a few posts, i asked 1) do you think the northwoods documents are fake?
you responded 1)yes i do, cause like i said, conspiracy theories are created by bored people
so again, i call YOU the conspiracy theorist. please offer your reasoning for why its fake. find me a fake website with a .gov. find me another fake document.
of course you find it REALLY hard to believe. i am guessing your only news sources are mainstream media. and if they dont tell you something you wont believe it.
you have two options at this point. admit you are a conspiracy theorist (and offer your reasoning for these documents appearing on this site) or admit that on one occasion the government planned to attack its own citizens (then ask yourself if they only did this once)
whats it gunna be?
you responded 1)yes i do, cause like i said, conspiracy theories are created by bored people
so again, i call YOU the conspiracy theorist. please offer your reasoning for why its fake. find me a fake website with a .gov. find me another fake document.
of course you find it REALLY hard to believe. i am guessing your only news sources are mainstream media. and if they dont tell you something you wont believe it.
you have two options at this point. admit you are a conspiracy theorist (and offer your reasoning for these documents appearing on this site) or admit that on one occasion the government planned to attack its own citizens (then ask yourself if they only did this once)
whats it gunna be?
Mr.Panda
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if i believe that Al Qaeda attacked us on 9/11, that we did indeed land on the moon, that Oswald was a nutjob and decided to off JFK, and that the US doesnt attack its own citizens and that makes me a conspiracy theorist then so be it... but to be honest, your logic is a little off because it is the National Archives job to literally hold EVERYTHING that has ever been published whether its true or not...
you are avoiding the discussion, stick to the northwoods documents. youre right the national archives holds everything, including a plan drafted by the joints chief of staff signed by its chairman Lyman Lemnitzer. this wasnt written by a janitor on a napkin.
i hate to drop down and use language like this, but stop being a pussy and answer my questions. defend yourself in claiming its fake, or admit this is real
i hate to drop down and use language like this, but stop being a pussy and answer my questions. defend yourself in claiming its fake, or admit this is real
Mr.Panda
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i have family in the military, believe me, i know what it means for the timing of attacks and such... dad served in vietnam, grandfathers two older brothers died on Guadalcanal and Iwo (the japanese side of my family) so i know the idea from a situational point of view... yes the fact they planned is scary but in all of your other searching did you find anything else? kinda doubt it... the cold war was a strange time where everyone was scared of their own shadow.
well this hands down the most concrete evidence.
unfortunately it would probably upset your dad to find out that people in the military and government have admitted that the gulf of tonkin incident didnt go down as initially reported (its the incident that got us into the vietnam war)
its really hard to find documents on a .gov website to begin with. Most confessions/alternative reports that come out are released through "minutes" and memos that are released though unofficial sources.
the number of high ranking officers in the military that come out and contradict official versions of events is surprisingly high
unfortunately it would probably upset your dad to find out that people in the military and government have admitted that the gulf of tonkin incident didnt go down as initially reported (its the incident that got us into the vietnam war)
its really hard to find documents on a .gov website to begin with. Most confessions/alternative reports that come out are released through "minutes" and memos that are released though unofficial sources.
the number of high ranking officers in the military that come out and contradict official versions of events is surprisingly high
was it really any different from situations leading to WW II, the vietnam war, and our current "war on terrorism"????
each event we got attacked first, so our citizens and the international community would support a retaliation.
Northwoods shows how this works.
we want to get involved with certain countries/people/land
so we stage an attack that makes it look like that very country attacked us
they appear to be the aggressor so there is huge support for war
we attack and we get what we want.
each event we got attacked first, so our citizens and the international community would support a retaliation.
Northwoods shows how this works.
we want to get involved with certain countries/people/land
so we stage an attack that makes it look like that very country attacked us
they appear to be the aggressor so there is huge support for war
we attack and we get what we want.
Twinjibber77
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Idk about this shit but i think it's really dumb that a majority of American people have no idea that the US funded the various groups they waged war against. Viet Cong, Taliban.If people weren't fucking retarded i think that a lot of shit would be considered. People need to open there eyes to more than what the media wants them to believe. And fucking vote for someone based on principals and not other bullshit.
T.L.
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Money is power, and power is everything to those with the addiction. If people think that the people in power don't have alternative motives to some of the things they do they must be high on crack.
FACT: 6 months before the attacks on the WTC the 99 year lease holder Larry Silverstein took out a HUGE insurance policy on the towers of 3.55 billion with a clause what covered total destruction. After the towers fell he claimed since it was two different plane crashes that he wanted pay out for 7.1 billion. Courts ruled that he couldn't have all 7.1 billion so they gave him 4.57 billion instead. Sucks right? He only made 1.2 billion dollars off of the deaths of thousands of Americans.
Most people in the world is out to get theirs. If you think otherwise you have a lot to learn.
FACT: 6 months before the attacks on the WTC the 99 year lease holder Larry Silverstein took out a HUGE insurance policy on the towers of 3.55 billion with a clause what covered total destruction. After the towers fell he claimed since it was two different plane crashes that he wanted pay out for 7.1 billion. Courts ruled that he couldn't have all 7.1 billion so they gave him 4.57 billion instead. Sucks right? He only made 1.2 billion dollars off of the deaths of thousands of Americans.
Most people in the world is out to get theirs. If you think otherwise you have a lot to learn.
1080ski
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ha! your the one who has begun 1/2 your posts in this thread with an insult to the person you are quoting.
i havent read the article/watched the videos. there are people in the room sleeping and i have no headphones. I think that you shouldn't believe a youtube video though. Sure, maybe it is true, but how do you know that they are giving you the whole story? for me to believe something like this, i would have to read the document myself. its too easy to find parts of the document and piece them together to make it sound like it means something, when it really means something else.
if somebody wants to prove something, they will find the information necessary and prove it, even if it isn't true (by ignoring other info).
i am not saying this is false, i am just saying that to believe something so hardcore, you may want to take a look at the actual documents first hand.
i havent read the article/watched the videos. there are people in the room sleeping and i have no headphones. I think that you shouldn't believe a youtube video though. Sure, maybe it is true, but how do you know that they are giving you the whole story? for me to believe something like this, i would have to read the document myself. its too easy to find parts of the document and piece them together to make it sound like it means something, when it really means something else.
if somebody wants to prove something, they will find the information necessary and prove it, even if it isn't true (by ignoring other info).
i am not saying this is false, i am just saying that to believe something so hardcore, you may want to take a look at the actual documents first hand.
well i called him a conspiracy theorist, and told him that his writing was poor, didnt call him a fucking retard and then exit the thread.
secondly, go ahead and click on the links i posted for the meat of the document.
thirdly, ask and you shall receive. Here are the links to the entire document (in order)
http://media.nara.gov/media/images/36/15/36-1463a.jpg
http://media.nara.gov/media/images/36/15/36-1464a.jpg
http://media.nara.gov/media/images/36/15/36-1465a.jpg
http://media.nara.gov/media/images/36/15/36-1466a.jpg
http://media.nara.gov/media/images/36/15/36-1467a.jpg
http://media.nara.gov/media/images/36/15/36-1468a.jpg
http://media.nara.gov/media/images/36/15/36-1469a.jpg
http://media.nara.gov/media/images/36/15/36-1470a.jpg
http://media.nara.gov/media/images/36/15/36-1471a.jpg
http://media.nara.gov/media/images/36/15/36-1472a.jpg
http://media.nara.gov/media/images/36/15/36-1473a.jpg
http://media.nara.gov/media/images/36/15/36-1474a.jpg
secondly, go ahead and click on the links i posted for the meat of the document.
thirdly, ask and you shall receive. Here are the links to the entire document (in order)
http://media.nara.gov/media/images/36/15/36-1463a.jpg
http://media.nara.gov/media/images/36/15/36-1464a.jpg
http://media.nara.gov/media/images/36/15/36-1465a.jpg
http://media.nara.gov/media/images/36/15/36-1466a.jpg
http://media.nara.gov/media/images/36/15/36-1467a.jpg
http://media.nara.gov/media/images/36/15/36-1468a.jpg
http://media.nara.gov/media/images/36/15/36-1469a.jpg
http://media.nara.gov/media/images/36/15/36-1470a.jpg
http://media.nara.gov/media/images/36/15/36-1471a.jpg
http://media.nara.gov/media/images/36/15/36-1472a.jpg
http://media.nara.gov/media/images/36/15/36-1473a.jpg
http://media.nara.gov/media/images/36/15/36-1474a.jpg
Twinjibber77
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Look it up. Do you have a history teacher that's not a fucking retard?
settle down buddy, were having a misunderstanding. I would probably agree with your stance on the overwhelming majority of historical events.
But how did you come to these views that are either little known fact or ones that contradict official versions and popular public beliefs?
I would guess from teachers, books, doing your own research etc..... but what I am driving at, is have you ever seen official government documents about us funding (using your example) the viet cong? i am guessing probably not, you have learned of this through unofficial/semi official reports. (no i am not getting into an argument about whether this happened or not, stay with me) So thats all it took for you to have your stance on the matter.
Yet in this case, you have concrete proof of what the government planned listed on official government sites and you can not bring yourself to admit this is real. I am having a hard time understanding that reasoning. can you explain?
(and if you do know of more damming documents on official .gov websites please share)
But how did you come to these views that are either little known fact or ones that contradict official versions and popular public beliefs?
I would guess from teachers, books, doing your own research etc..... but what I am driving at, is have you ever seen official government documents about us funding (using your example) the viet cong? i am guessing probably not, you have learned of this through unofficial/semi official reports. (no i am not getting into an argument about whether this happened or not, stay with me) So thats all it took for you to have your stance on the matter.
Yet in this case, you have concrete proof of what the government planned listed on official government sites and you can not bring yourself to admit this is real. I am having a hard time understanding that reasoning. can you explain?
(and if you do know of more damming documents on official .gov websites please share)
Twinjibber77
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I see where your going with this. Vietcong. . . no. Taliban . . . . yes.My Gov teacher was fucking boss and i highlighted out the outline of the Taliban funding from back when they were fighting Russia. We gave them millions in cash.I can't show you a literal document about the Viet-cong but i've read enough unoffical shit to believe it. I mean it really makes sense if you think about it but i do not have the proof of a gov document about vietcong. "We funded vietcong to defend themselves against Japanese, we fund Taliban against Russians"- That is pretty much the basis of it.
Twinjibber77
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Oh hell yeah i think that's real.A friend facebooked it to me a few months ago and i skimmed through it and thought it was and i'll stick by that. McNamara said in an interview that it was someplace i saw right before he died! I remember that distinctively.
Mr.Panda
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i sense i might start a flame war with this but i figured it could be somewhat relative to this discussion. im watching O'Reilly's show (yes i know, you people hate him but i dont care) and he mentioned something about how the IED's (improvised explosive devices) in Iraq and Afghanistan may have components in them that were sold/created by American companies... yes, i realize it could be totally by chance but i thought it could create a good discussion.
Twinjibber77
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Oh, well i was retarded then. Maybe i read it wrong. Go with the opinion of my last post.lol
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