Unpopular opinion thread skier's edition

13916658:TWoods said:
I miss 2008-2012. Hasn't been topped in terms of style and overall progression.

It's hard to top the progression when it comes to rotations/grabs and tricks you can do on rails since those things are limited in a way. But there is still progression in small scale tricks like butters and presses. Personally I actually prefer the smaller tricks you can do on the new gen of skis (like the notorious ON3Ps) over hucking myself over huge kickers and spin to win. I think there are lots of skiers with good style nowadays as well: Jake Carney, Oliver Karlberg, keegan just to name a few. The difference nowadays is that it's really hard to work on your style without having the comp training falling short since style comes from repetition and variation of tricks that don't necessarily win comps. I feel like since the overall skill wasn't as high as nowadays in the comp scene, more guys managed to do both. The result is that the comp scene gets taken over by guys like Ragettli who focused on learning the biggest tricks and I can fully understand why they do it ... at the end of the day you have to get payed as a pro athlete.
Click to expand...
 
Considering how gnarly the course was and the selection of riders that were there. The Nine Nines were a littler underwhelming this year. Not to disrespect what the riders we're doing, because Woodsys triple octos were as crazy as ever, Fabien did one of the most stylish triples ever done(th trip front) and Jespers switch loop and night run were nuts, but it feels like there has just been a lot less madness this year than usual. Overall less mind blowing tricks, but idk maybe there is still more footage that just hasn't been released
 
13916941:chicknfriedsteak said:
Considering how gnarly the course was and the selection of riders that were there. The Nine Nines were a littler underwhelming this year. Not to disrespect what the riders we're doing, because Woodsys triple octos were as crazy as ever, Fabien did one of the most stylish triples ever done(th trip front) and Jespers switch loop and night run were nuts, but it feels like there has just been a lot less madness this year than usual. Overall less mind blowing tricks, but idk maybe there is still more footage that just hasn't been released
Click to expand...

Kinda agree with this but definitely the last part about footage,if they had some sick filmers and editors who took footage from instagram and vlogs etc to create one huge recap edit it would be way better
 
13916319:MaimHelp said:
ON3P is overrated and you can get much more for less money. I do not hate ON3P at all but I feel they are a bit over rated and every new kid wants them. Also you see in almost every ski thread someone recommends ON3P without actually riding their skis. Do not get me wrong I'd want a pair but there are different options for a lot less that will hold up.

Much respect for them guys at ON3P tho.
Click to expand...

on3p are so hyped because they are literally making the best skis out there. nothing comes close. and to say lib tech are better because of their environmental aspects is a fucking cop out.
 
13916658:TWoods said:
I miss 2008-2012. Hasn't been topped in terms of style and overall progression.

**This post was edited on Apr 17th 2018 at 3:13:06pm
Click to expand...

me too...and the skis then were better for the most part. most stuff out now is made for gapes and kids who live in the backseat.
 
13916724:K-Dot. said:
Appreciate the thorough, transparent response and the fact that ON3P makes a conscious effort. Two things:

- why isn't this marketing literature easily accessible? I'm clearly not the only consumer with these concerns and I doubt most people sharing these concerns are going to read these posts

- I still see 6 reasons why I should go buy libtech instead. Picky consumers cultivate necessary businesses, my power to consume is the only way to hold ski brands accountable for their ethics or lack thereof

Still, I appreciate that ON3P makes an effort and my criticism is more broadly focused on brands who continue to do nothing whatsoever. We should all demand better from brands that need us more than we need them
Click to expand...

I'm on your side on this, but are you only going to ski tour via your Tesla? Chairlifts and resorts are also pretty fucked when you think about. Imagine how much fuel is burned to make a half pipe let alone groom a whole mountain. Mass producing most things really isn't good by any environmental aspects. Do you have any realistic ideas for ski factories to help the environment?
 
13918282:tcurle said:
I'm on your side on this, but are you only going to ski tour via your Tesla? Chairlifts and resorts are also pretty fucked when you think about. Imagine how much fuel is burned to make a half pipe let alone groom a whole mountain. Mass producing most things really isn't good by any environmental aspects. Do you have any realistic ideas for ski factories to help the environment?
Click to expand...

Environmentalism through capitalistic systems is short sighted and still incredibly problematic because of the inherent contradictions. However, something should still be done, right? You can compare what is effective and what is less effective all day long but it is missing the point that in a holistic ecological view, everything matters and should be approached with an environmentalist outlook. Even the most nihilistic ecology still arrives at being environmentally conscious as ethical and therefore necessary.

So yes, you can nit pick and say "but you probably eat meat" like that one guy did above, even though I'm vegan and don't, but in the whole scheme of things, that type of argument holds no weight. It is as silly as people who say "you hate society but you still participate in it" as if there is a choice. What I'm trying to say is that I acknowledge my own positionality, one of priveleged individualism that is frought with ecological problems that I simply can't control. But what I can control, I try my best to, whether it's recycling, not using animal products, or using public transportation as much as possible. That approach is the best we have at the moment.

All that reasoning aside, what should ski companies be doing? I don't design skis so as far as the precise details go, I don't know. All I can espouse are ideals because they're the only power I have as a consumer. An ideally environmentally conscious brand would: use completely renewable sources of energy and material, use their platform to spread awareness, politically align themselves with environmentally aware companies/politicians etc.

A fine example is patagonia. While they're far from perfect, their continued efforts towards renewable sources and taking a clear, well expressed ethical stance (bears ears for example) is what should be expected from all outdoor brands. I just scoff at how little I see in the ski industry and especially the amount of support from the consumers of ski equipment, given the fragility of the climate zones that can even support the sport
 
13918317:Rum_Ham said:
Can't be a vegan without telling everyone right?
Click to expand...

Well, the guy literally said I eat meat. If I said you drive a car as an argument when you don't even own one, it wouldn't be going ouy of your way to clarify that you don't own one.

Can't be a carnist without making it a big deal that someone's vegan, right?
 
13917378:GrandThings said:
Truck drivers are ugly for any trick not done above a rail
Click to expand...

Dear God. I have the complete opposite feeling. Infact my unpopular opinion is that grabbing ski tips or tails on rails is fucking lame.
 
13918320:K-Dot. said:
Well, the guy literally said I eat meat. If I said you drive a car as an argument when you don't even own one, it wouldn't be going ouy of your way to clarify that you don't own one.

Can't be a carnist without making it a big deal that someone's vegan, right?
Click to expand...

Shut up vegan.

Also did you just refer to yourself in the third person? Wtf

**This post was edited on Apr 23rd 2018 at 9:23:06pm
 
13918384:Nickc88 said:
Vegans are weird
Click to expand...

Vegans are weirder than people who don't have celiac disease and request gluten free food. Yeah I'm talking to all you gluten free phonies out there!
 
13918320:K-Dot. said:
Well, the guy literally said I eat meat. If I said you drive a car as an argument when you don't even own one, it wouldn't be going ouy of your way to clarify that you don't own one.

Can't be a carnist without making it a big deal that someone's vegan, right?
Click to expand...

Ok that was me and I just meant it as you seemed very focused on buying things with marginally less environmental impact and I really hoped you weren’t doing that to make yourself feel better without actually living that life. Guess I spend too much time on this website though. I still think that a durable ski (on3p or moment or whatever) that can go a season or two longer will have less impact on the environment but that’s something else.

13918507:IsitWinterYet17 said:
Vegans are weirder than people who don't have celiac disease and request gluten free food. Yeah I'm talking to all you gluten free phonies out there!
Click to expand...

That’s not true. Vegans don’t hurt anyone but all these fake gluten intolerance people really detract from people with serious illnesses like celiacs. I take it you don’t know any celiacs though. Cutting gluten from your diet does literally nothing if you’re not a celiac or gluten intolerant but vegansim has proven benefits for the environment and other things.
 
Not sure if this is an unpopular opinion or not after NS shit on him after that Slvsh game, but Alex Hall is one of the best park skiers right now. No one else is pushing the sport to the level he is.

If you disagree, look at the insta clip he posted today. What. The. Fuck.
 
13918917:Mortbrokemyskis said:
Ok that was me and I just meant it as you seemed very focused on buying things with marginally less environmental impact and I really hoped you weren’t doing that to make yourself feel better without actually living that life. Guess I spend too much time on this website though. I still think that a durable ski (on3p or moment or whatever) that can go a season or two longer will have less impact on the environment but that’s something else.

That’s not true. Vegans don’t hurt anyone but all these fake gluten intolerance people really detract from people with serious illnesses like celiacs. I take it you don’t know any celiacs though. Cutting gluten from your diet does literally nothing if you’re not a celiac or gluten intolerant but vegansim has proven benefits for the environment and other things.
Click to expand...

I believe you misunderstood my post. I know plenty of people with celiac disease. I was saying the fad no gluten diet is a joke and they're phonies. People with celiac disease actually have a medical reason to abstain. Vegans are weirder imo and I bet many people would agree with me. Doesn't mean it's right. Just that they're weird.
 
13918942:IsitWinterYet17 said:
I believe you misunderstood my post. I know plenty of people with celiac disease. I was saying the fad no gluten diet is a joke and they're phonies. People with celiac disease actually have a medical reason to abstain. Vegans are weirder imo and I bet many people would agree with me. Doesn't mean it's right. Just that they're weird.
Click to expand...

Nah to me people who choose to not eat bread and pasta are weird.
 
New fad diet, not eating anything that was living. What kind of sick soul would take an innocent life?
 
13919025:r00kie said:
New fad diet, not eating anything that was living. What kind of sick soul would take an innocent life?
Click to expand...

haha, so ignoring thousands of years of dietary evolution for a species is the way to go? Humans are meant to eat meat as well as vegetables (which are also a living organism), it is the most beneficial way for our bodies to get the proteins they need, our whole digestive tract is adapted to breaking down this food to most efficiently turn to nutrition. while you can fill the proteins through plant and nut based sources, you have to be far more careful and regimented to actually get what your body needs. to quote jim gaffigan about people trying to guilt trip him on his food selection "'Do you know what they do to those chickens?' No, but it's delicious."
 
13919263:Ryanvdonk said:
haha, so ignoring thousands of years of dietary evolution for a species is the way to go? Humans are meant to eat meat as well as vegetables (which are also a living organism), it is the most beneficial way for our bodies to get the proteins they need, our whole digestive tract is adapted to breaking down this food to most efficiently turn to nutrition. while you can fill the proteins through plant and nut based sources, you have to be far more careful and regimented to actually get what your body needs. to quote jim gaffigan about people trying to guilt trip him on his food selection "'Do you know what they do to those chickens?' No, but it's delicious."
Click to expand...

Chill, it's joke
 
13919263:Ryanvdonk said:
haha, so ignoring thousands of years of dietary evolution for a species is the way to go? Humans are meant to eat meat as well as vegetables (which are also a living organism), it is the most beneficial way for our bodies to get the proteins they need, our whole digestive tract is adapted to breaking down this food to most efficiently turn to nutrition. while you can fill the proteins through plant and nut based sources, you have to be far more careful and regimented to actually get what your body needs. to quote jim gaffigan about people trying to guilt trip him on his food selection "'Do you know what they do to those chickens?' No, but it's delicious."
Click to expand...

Here's what they do to "those chickens"

https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=asYTE_1522097431

Just googled this and thankfully due to science, by 2020 they should be able to tell the sex before they hatch so they don't have to do this. Chicken abortions yay!

**This post was edited on Apr 27th 2018 at 9:36:37am
 
13919367:IsitWinterYet17 said:
Here's what they do to "those chickens"

https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=asYTE_1522097431

Just googled this and thankfully due to science, by 2020 they should be able to tell the sex before they hatch so they don't have to do this. Chicken abortions yay!

**This post was edited on Apr 27th 2018 at 9:36:37am
Click to expand...

well that's one way to get rid of a few "bad eggs." maybe that's how the they make the pink slime for nuggets?
 
13919367:IsitWinterYet17 said:
Here's what they do to "those chickens"

https://www.liveleak.com/view?t=asYTE_1522097431

Just googled this and thankfully due to science, by 2020 they should be able to tell the sex before they hatch so they don't have to do this. Chicken abortions yay!

**This post was edited on Apr 27th 2018 at 9:36:37am
Click to expand...

Looks gorey yes but its also very humane. They die instantly, they probably don't even realize they've dropped off the conveyor belt before they die.
 
The latest ON3P edit is far too Bunch-like and 'creative' and it doesn't match with the style of skiers like Fostvedt.
 
Nick Geopper and Andri Ragetli are sick skiers, and they are way better than Henrik. Henrik only does basic tricks but Nick and Andri throw down hard. I think Jesper has super sick style too.
 
13920644:dildotester69 said:
Nick Geopper and Andri Ragetli are sick skiers, and they are way better than Henrik. Henrik only does basic tricks but Nick and Andri throw down hard. I think Jesper has super sick style too.
Click to expand...

Now that's a shit post!
 
I don’t give one shit if you are a pro skier or not

If you don’t have respect.. you won’t get respect it’s that simple! Sure your ability levels may or may not be superior to mine.. but so what, assholes will get an asshole treatment from me

Edit: I just realize my last statement came out Extremely wrong lmfao What I meant to say was if you’re an asshole to me don’t expect me to kiss ass just because you are “Pro”.. keeping the “asshole treatment” though because that made me laugh.

**This post was edited on May 3rd 2018 at 3:26:42pm
 
13920834:Segsxi said:
I don’t give one shit if you are a pro skier or not

If you don’t have respect.. you won’t get respect it’s that simple! Sure your ability levels may or may not be superior to mine.. but so what, assholes will get an asshole treatment from me

Edit: I just realize my last statement came out Extremely wrong lmfao What I meant to say was if you’re an asshole to me don’t expect me to kiss ass just because you are “Pro”.. keeping the “asshole treatment” though because that made me laugh.

**This post was edited on May 3rd 2018 at 3:26:42pm
Click to expand...

I feel like there's a story behind this
 
why did ppl down like my post? Andri can do a quad cork, Henrik cannot. I don’t know why everyone says he has sick style and is king when Andri and Nick Goepper are better than him.

P.S. I think Gus is really doing a great thing for skiing. He’s giving our sport publicity but also showing that skiers have a sensitive side to them. Gus also has way better style than Henrik and is more creative.
 
13920951:dildotester69 said:
why did ppl down like my post? Andri can do a quad cork, Henrik cannot. I don’t know why everyone says he has sick style and is king when Andri and Nick Goepper are better than him.

P.S. I think Gus is really doing a great thing for skiing. He’s giving our sport publicity but also showing that skiers have a sensitive side to them. Gus also has way better style than Henrik and is more creative.
Click to expand...

You should buttplug your mouth, too much shit is getting out of it
 
13920951:dildotester69 said:
why did ppl down like my post? Andri can do a quad cork, Henrik cannot. I don’t know why everyone says he has sick style and is king when Andri and Nick Goepper are better than him.

P.S. I think Gus is really doing a great thing for skiing. He’s giving our sport publicity but also showing that skiers have a sensitive side to them. Gus also has way better style than Henrik and is more creative.
Click to expand...

This has to be a troll
 
13920951:dildotester69 said:
why did ppl down like my post? Andri can do a quad cork, Henrik cannot. I don’t know why everyone says he has sick style and is king when Andri and Nick Goepper are better than him.

P.S. I think Gus is really doing a great thing for skiing. He’s giving our sport publicity but also showing that skiers have a sensitive side to them. Gus also has way better style than Henrik and is more creative.
Click to expand...

You put an opinion in "Unpopular opinion thread skier's edition ". So you knew it was unpopular when you posted it. I hope Ive given you enough of a clue as to why your post is disliked or " down liked ".
 
13921015:Alvaro said:
being a pro skier or surfer is pretty kook, basically means you are in it for the money.
Click to expand...

It means you're good enough that people want to associate their brand with you or want to pay to watch you. You can't get that good without passion.
 
on3p 2 was not that good

edit :

the japow segment was ill but thats about it

**This post was edited on May 4th 2018 at 12:46:47pm
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top