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Alright...first of all..communism is essentially the same as socialism. The USSR was socialist. It was called the Union Of Soviet Socialist Republics. Socialism is just a modified communism! Its that simple!

'a dictator is any1 with absolute power in government, if you dont think bush has any power to put down anything that lies ahead u are extremely naive.'

No I'm sorry. Bush isn't 'any1' with absolute power. Once again I don't know if you've ever heard of the constitution. If you haven't its a great read and could inform you that you're stupid propaganda is just completely wrong. I don't know how you can say ' Bush is a dictator' you're completely ignoring the two other parts of our government. He doesn't have absolute power! He can't declare war without congress's approval. Now you messaged me and said ' he had plans to go to war' First of all...where's your evidence that he did? And second of all, it wouldn't matter if he had plans to. I could have plans to go to war!! But I can't! And neither could he. Congress has to approve a war....as they did...making him not a dictator. He can't pass any legislation alone. Not since FDR he can't. And if he's bad enough...he can be impeached!! So he's not a dictator. He's not anywhere near one either!

If you wanted a dictator of course you could look at your socialist/communist buddies like Cuba, or take a trip back in time and live under Stalin. I mean communism/socialism is so great right? And it produces wooonnderful results!! Look at Russia's economy!! Socialism sure worked for them!!!

Taxxxes oohh boy.

'Capurnicus, i'm gonna go on a limb here and assume that u are well off financially. Not everybody is, is that fair?'

No its not fuckin fair. LIFE ISN'T!! My parents worked their asses off in highschool,college, medical school and 8 years of residency. Thats 20 years of hard hard work. So they developed a skill and got good jobs. My dad works 6 in the morning to 8 at night with taking call once a week which means sleeping over and just working through the next day. He works 80+ hours a week. Thats a lot. He makes a shitload of sacrifices. So in fact it is fair. He does the time he gets the money. Look this society isn't 'happy-go-lucky everyone's equal' It doesn't happen...It doesn't work!! If someone works harder and has better skills...then hell! he deserves the money he makes. Its not right so say ' well thats not fair because I'm a lame ass bum, but its still not fair because i deserve the same thing'

Society doesn't work on an equal, government controlled basis...it doesn't.

'This isnt helping the majority of ppl, its helping the RICH minority become richer. While the poor are going to become poorer because of this decision.'

Ok? Winston Churchill said:

' Socialism is equal sharing of misery, while democracy is unfair sharing of blessings'

Sure it could be equal...we could all be really poor! Would that be better?

'What difference does it make if a ceo has 1 billion, or 2 billion dollars, URE STILL FUCKING RICH, AND CAN BUY ALMOST EVERYTHING'

Not too many people make a billion dollars....most 'rich' people don't. Most of them worked hard and to get the skills they have to get the jobs they work.

- Patrick·patproductions.com

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Alright...first of all..communism is essentially the same as socialism. The USSR was socialist. It was called the Union Of Soviet Socialist Republics. Socialism is just a modified communism! Its that simple!

'a dictator is any1 with absolute power in government, if you dont think bush has any power to put down anything that lies ahead u are extremely naive.'

No I'm sorry. Bush isn't 'any1' with absolute power. Once again I don't know if you've ever heard of the constitution. If you haven't its a great read and could inform you that your stupid propaganda is just completely wrong. I don't know how you can say ' Bush is a dictator' you're completely ignoring the two other parts of our government. He doesn't have absolute power! He can't declare war without congress's approval. Now you messaged me and said ' he had plans to go to war' First of all...where's your evidence that he did? And second of all, it wouldn't matter if he had plans to. I could have plans to go to war!! But I can't! And neither could he. Congress has to approve a war....as they did...making him not a dictator. He can't pass any legislation alone. Not since FDR he can't. And if he's bad enough...he can be impeached!! So he's not a dictator. He's not anywhere near one either!

If you wanted a dictator of course you could look at your socialist/communist buddies like Cuba, or take a trip back in time and live under Stalin. I mean communism/socialism is so great right? And it produces wooonnderful results!! Look at Russia's economy!! Socialism sure worked for them!!!

Taxxxes oohh boy.

'Capurnicus, i'm gonna go on a limb here and assume that u are well off financially. Not everybody is, is that fair?'

No its not fuckin fair. LIFE ISN'T!! My parents worked their asses off in highschool,college, medical school and 8 years of residency. Thats 20 years of hard hard work. So they developed a skill and got good jobs. My dad works 6 in the morning to 8 at night with taking call once a week which means sleeping over and just working through the next day. He works 80+ hours a week. Thats a lot. He makes a shitload of sacrifices. So in fact it is fair. He does the time he gets the money. Look this society isn't 'happy-go-lucky everyone's equal' It doesn't happen...It doesn't work!! If someone works harder and has better skills...then hell! he deserves the money he makes. Its not right so say ' well thats not fair because I'm a lame ass bum, but its still not fair because i deserve the same thing'

Society doesn't work on an equal, government controlled basis...it doesn't.

'This isnt helping the majority of ppl, its helping the RICH minority become richer. While the poor are going to become poorer because of this decision.'

Ok? Winston Churchill said:

' Socialism is equal sharing of misery, while democracy is unfair sharing of blessings'

Sure it could be equal...we could all be really poor! Would that be better?

'What difference does it make if a ceo has 1 billion, or 2 billion dollars, URE STILL FUCKING RICH, AND CAN BUY ALMOST EVERYTHING'

Not too many people make a billion dollars....most 'rich' people don't. Most of them worked hard and to get the skills they have to get the jobs they work.

- Patrick·patproductions.com

Looks like rain to me.
 
bush is a fascist. you cannot deny this. other than that, i don't really want to get into american politics. it goes nowhere and only functions to enrage people.

one example though, of how backwards society has become -> think about where your produce comes from. it comes on a truck from across the continent. but, why aren't our fruits and vegetables locally grown/cultivated/bought? why do we need to burn thousands of tonnes of fossil fuels in order to transport produce to a region that is able to grow its own crops?? this makes me just as furiated as phrosty would be if somebody called him a left winger.

 
silly bush hes an axe handle, but yeah if by fascist you mean having balls, hes a fascist

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of course bush has balls, all males have testicals, jeeze. but he still is a fucking idiot

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Sweetcoz you're right on that. Its pretty rediculous to have fruit imported from places like South America. Not only are not supporting local farmers, you're spending a portion of the price you pay on shipping and such.

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Obviously there is no system that is perfect, anyone who has done any small level of economics at school or Uni would know this. Each system has its drawbacks. Its suggested that the best mix is a 75% free market/capitalsit and 25% government intervention. So that includes countries like America, Canada, Australia and New Zealand and since many of us live in these countries we know our standard of living is generally a lot better off than those with more socialist/communist/government involved such as China, Russia. China is improving only because it is allowing more capitalist style policy. Sure the ideals of socialism might be good but in reality (and as history shows) they don't work.

As for Brands, they are actually good (like marketing in general) because they inform the consumer about the product. If you here the word Coke you instantly have a view/attitude about them, its not necessarily good or bad. The only downside to a brand is when you have a view about a brand that has been formed by misleading information. So it isn't the big brand that is bad but the misleading information their executives feed you.

 
its like an ecosystem every thing depends on every thing else and if something is disrupted it could end with horrible consiquence so if big buissnesses and advertising allows us, the consumer, to have are lives run smoothly i say hurray

 
I'm not saying that I'm an expert in this field or anything, but it is blatenly obvious that some of you have no clue what you're talking about! I won't give you a big long speach though cause that's Capurnicus's job...

If you want a real website go to www.takebackthemedia.org, it's hardcore!

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perhaps south americans have the higher output potential for fruit than we do...the global economic system works that way...it's the basis for specialization and trade...I suggest to some of you to take a class in economics...educate yourself and then you may see things differently...correctly...too many of these radical idealists are out there fighting for something when they really know nothing but the propaganda and basic information on a situation. It needs to change

I was born, a six gun in my hand...they call me Bad Company

We're the dream warriors! Don't wanna dream no more!--Dokken
 
Has anyone read the book 'no logo' by naomi klein? i purchased it today, and the girl at the register asked if i was taking political science at a local college. I said no, and asked why. She said it was suggest reading for that course. Nothing in the book will be tested on in the course, it was just suggested reading. Im hoping this will give me a well rounded opinion on the things i argue about.

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Bent Films

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That 'take back the media' website is stupid, you're dumb. Yeah I've read no logo. Have you read Lasn's book Culture Jam? Its kinda stupid. A lot of professors of political science probably teach the book. My uncle is a professor of political science and he does. But that doesn't mean that they're festering dirty washed up hippies.

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That 'take back the media' website is stupid, you're dumb. Yeah I've read no logo. Have you read Lasn's book Culture Jam? Its kinda stupid. A lot of professors of political science probably teach the book. My uncle is a professor of political science and he does. But that doesn't mean that they're not festering dirty washed up hippies

- Patrick·patproductions.com

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hahahha^ dude i love the way you can back your shit up, but you gotta stop being so childish with stuff. i bet people would take you more seriously if you didnt call people names.. but yea, my girlfreind has culture jam, and she raves about how sick it is, so im gonna deal with it after no logo.... what didnt you like about it?

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Bent Films

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I've read most of No Logo (got a bit boring towards the end). Its quite interesting but it is really from the one perspective, and it doesn't really devle into the economics of it. While it has some statistics it still doesn't quite cut it

I think she has also written another book, although I can't remember its name.

 
FUCK. how is economics the 'RIGHT' way?! you're missing the goddamn point. current economic practices don't take into account long term effects such as depletion of natural resources, etc.. does this make sense to you? think about how misconstrued the ever-holy (sarcasm) GDP of the USA is. it's like saying, 'well, today i can run three miles, so i will always be able to run three miles, no matter what'.

also, i wasn't talking about importing produce from another continent, i meant, and i think most interpreted what i said correctly, as purchasing produce from a far away region, all the while being able to grow and cultivate such produce in one's hinterland.

 
my sister is like lisa simpson. at christmas, she tells everyone not to get her gifts and shes a vegetarian, so i get her a gift certificate to MacDonalds every year.

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I JUST LOVE BIG CORPORATIONS.

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'Avi!'

'Shutup and sit down, you big-balled fuck.'

 
I think maybe something that we all might want to think about is that there is a differnce between being a corporation grassroots, successful or otherwise and being a responsible corporation.

Lets face it, like it or not, we live in an industrial/corporate society, and it would take an event of apcolyptic porportions to put us in a state where we could survive off of an agrarian neo socialist or communist system. Capitalism and Corporations are here to stay (pending that disaster of course).

What we should hope and strive for is RESPONSIBLE business - which is something realistic that we can directly infulence though our buying habbits. Don't like the Gap? Great - buy from the American Apparel company - steatshop free threads from the US. Don't like Starbucks? Buy your coffee from Bridgehead or Oxfam, and be sure to ~tell~ the company that you are displeased with what you are doing and why.

Ceasar Chavez organized the United Farm Workers in California through the 70s and 80s in California and organized a hugely succssful boycott of California Grapes due to the pesticides that were being used.

Buy from corporations that you respect. Exercise your rights with your credit card and cash.

 
beautifully said. In times where its impossible to simply flick mcdonalds, etc. off the face of the earth, just spend wisely, be openminded with what you see... if enough people do it, you never know what might happen

Bent Films

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we could all sit next to each other in one big circlejerk, McD's employees and canonriders all together...

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NS Special Education

Long is the way. And hard, that out of hell leadsup to light.
 
ive never read a better arguement on NS. both sides put up a great fight, but ihave to side with capurnicus, capitalism just makes more sense. if you go to to school and work hard to get a good job you deserve to make big bucks, and if you coast throuh life and get a shitty job, you deserve to make shitty wages.

 
Yeah, that's the way it is supposed to work though! what about the people that work three jobs and live in the ghettos?! Capiatalism is really becoming an excuse for rich people to become richer and poor people to become poorer... although it's more like the government is getting richer and wasting the money and we're all getting poorer... haha, that was so fucking random and stuff and so like it's funny cause it makes sense in a way but like at the same time it has nothing to do with nothing and its funny...

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I don't know about capitalism making sense or not - nothing in its extreme does. A healthy and ballanced dose of 2 opposites usually works best. The Taoists were pretty smart. Picture a capitalist society with the heart of a welfare state - welfare meaning taking care of core essential thing like health care, day care, social services, public transportation, etc...to a worthy and respectible level. Individuals are free to pursue lives of personal gain, earning the bucks if they have the skills and the moxy to do so, but those who do not or cannot are looked after by the state.

The key here once again is that those who are in a position of private and public sector power use that power responsibly.

 
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