i have reno jibs mounted with z12 lightets pair of skis ive ever skied or held at that the top sheet is holding up a lot better than i thought it would, just becasue of what ever one talkes about, the bases are pretty much bombproof i used em to ski neck deep on mount mansfield like a month ago, they sucked haha but thats besides the pont there not a pow ski but aweom ski all around i little stiff my slaomon thrusters and brothers walls are a lot softer if your looking for a comparison awesom ski though all around