U.S.A Gun Laws?

[Barfblitz]

Its easier in the U.S. to purchase an assault rifle than to obtain a driver's license. There's 10x more oversight and regulations on owning a car than an assault rifle and yet plenty of people still own/drive cars.

The reason why nothing gets done is because our country is full of fucking idiots who think common sense gun regulations = complete ban on all firearms. You can blame the fear mongering Republican party sucking at the NRA's tit for that bullshit.

May I have the source for these claims? I'm interested and would like to read them. Many Republicans are for gun control. I personally wouldn't mind seeing mental health become a big deciding factor for those who would like to purchase a gun. Chronic mental check ups should also be a thing. I also support the proposed regulation of mag capacity... the more times the shooter has to reload = more chances to intervene. Those regulations are in no way infringing the second ammendment. If you would like gun control to happen, I suggest working together with your fellow republicans and democrats instead of jabbing at their views and making fun of them.

 

[eheath]

May I have the source for these claims? I'm interested and would like to read them. Many Republicans are for gun control. I personally wouldn't mind seeing mental health become a big deciding factor for those who would like to purchase a gun. Chronic mental check ups should also be a thing. I also support the proposed regulation of mag capacity... the more times the shooter has to reload = more chances to intervene. Those regulations are in no way infringing the second ammendment. If you would like gun control to happen, I suggest working together with your fellow republicans and democrats instead of jabbing at their views and making fun of them.

The only republicans that matter are completely controlled by the NRA, I'd be surprised if we pass any gun regulations while Trump is president.

 

[.frenchy]

Lemme correct that for people...

"Proud fucking idiot ready to waste money in the name of gun manufacturers at the expense of us gun owners! I buy big loud bang bang toys! NRA loves me cause I support guns! dey love me which is why dey makin us gun owners seem like complete fuck asses!"

bitches love my 2,750$ AR-15 set-up tho, bitch!

 

[GayWolf420]

why are we relying on the government to make change? dead kids arent enough to influence the wallets of lawmakers in the US.

 

[IHUFFPAINT]

It's hard to understand the whole thing as people get fired up about the whole thing regardless of what side you are on. A lot of people are tired of guns because of how much they seem to be in the news. Other people are mad because people that shouldn't have guns get em and fuck it up for everyone who can actually handle a gun and use it properly and keep it locked up when its not being used. I own a few guns and we shot em up here in the mountains of Colorado with nobody around and we usually just shot cans or other stuff. I know plenty of people that hate guns and that's fine by me im not gonna get all pissed about that. The main reason in my opinion that people like the carry guns is that they feel safer with one of them on them at all times. I personally dont carry a gun or open carry so I cant help you there.

 

[iH8pow]

I like guns own a few including those controversial ones so I’ve been pro 2nd ammend but i’m for stricter control. Catch 22 wtf am i to do. My guns are locked safely away and no kids in my house, but what am i to do with gun owner guilt? Sell them to potentially end up with a nut? Destroy them and torch thousands of dollars? US is a heartless war economy since early-mid 20th century doesnt matter who’s being killed by the guns the country still profits which is all that matters at the end of the day. Need a gun coin. Ill let you destroy most of my guns for 10 litecoins.

But the other solution is overly prescribed ADD and psych meds. No country has the “diagnosis” and treatment rates as the U.S. does. And i like to point out that these school shootings show the other side of the socioeconomic spectrum. Kids in poverty and in the ghetto are more likely to dabble in theft and other crime because they are the product of the environment. School shooters? Prefominantly white boys. White boys with do-gooder parents who wonder why Jimmy falls short of their grade expectations in schools, or why he acts a little different. Solution is always meds, fucks the kid up, too easy access to guns/money to buy guns..

**This post was edited on Feb 27th 2018 at 1:26:10am

 

[skierman]

bitches love my 2,750$ AR-15 set-up tho, bitch!

When your dick is the size of a firing pin, you have to impress them somehow, I guess.

 

[TheDoughAbides]

bitches love my 2,750$ AR-15 set-up tho, bitch!

cmon frenchy! dollar sign goes before the amount!

 

[r00kie]

Never would have thought NS would be where I would see the most civilized discussion on guns.

Forget that, it went to shit

**This post was edited on Feb 28th 2018 at 4:38:57pm

 

[Parches]

cmon frenchy! dollar sign goes before the amount!

Not sure if trolling or not....

 

[XtRemE11]

The reason im so resistant to changes in gun control is because the people upset about it, the ones who are proposing these gun control regulations, are completely emotionally motivated and are not coming at it from a logical, educated view.

YES i think we need to actually be effective in enforcing the regulations we already have, and YES im open to new gun control ideas to keep guns out of the hands of the wrong people.

I know it sounds bad, but AR-15's accounted for something like 150-300 deaths per year over the last couple year (ill try to find where i saw that statistic) a decent chunk of those deaths were mass shootings. but in the grand scheme, that is absolutely nothing. mass shootings are shocking, and tragic, and 1 mass shooting is too many. but if we are to go purely by statistics, its almost a non issue. AR's are an extremely popular gun, for how widespread they are, that statistic makes AR's look pretty good actually.

Theres this huge outrage, people calling out rednecks in the middle of bum fuck nowhere, that have absolutely nothing to do with these shootings for "caring more about their guns than kids lives" and if you arent for banning AR's, you want kids to die. People have a reason for not wanting to give up their rights to make people feel better.

If they really cared about gun related deaths they'd be focusing on inner city crime, which is largely gang related, and accounts for around 80% of gun related homicide, but thats mostly black people so they wont touch it. its not even acknowledged. even though its by far the largest problem.

if you're going to ban any gun, why not pistol's? they account for MUCH more death than rifles in general, especially AR's.

but the MSM doesnt tell you to be pissed about that so we focus on AR's and demonize anyone who can think critically and disagrees. and now we're even talking about banning bump stocks even though they account for literally zero deaths. Again, focus on the scary emotional thing, ignore real issues.

you dont need an AR to commit a mass shooting, in a place like a school, pistols could be just as effective, which they have been used for in plenty of shootings and ended up in just as many or more deaths, you could be effective with any kind of gun other than a muzzle loader or maybe bolt action.

so, say we ban "assault rifles" school shootings will still happen, but the shooter will use a pistol instead of a rifle, but at least the gun used doesnt look scary and isnt falsely labeled "assault rifle" so people will feel better, but kids are still being shot. there is no dent in our gun homicide rate, now what?

I just dont feel like the people wanting to ban AR's are really thinking this through.

**This post was edited on Feb 28th 2018 at 11:06:10pm

 

[TheDoughAbides]

MAGAchuds, how do you feel about your boy Don T trying to take your guns away without due process?

 

[Lonely]

Lol no its not. Assault rifles have been banned since the 80's. Just another lib who has no idea what hes talking about. Ugh, when will you all do basic research and learn.

All of these points have no relevance to making schools safer which is basically the only reason any one gives a shit about gun control in the first place.

So... youre an idiot? Dead ass used to be a big skiermann fan but apparently your trolling was actually just your incredibly low IQ.

What would you suggest we do to make schools safer?

 

[Turd.Ferguson]

What would you suggest we do to make schools safer?

lets make every teacher have a gun because a school with 100 armed staff members is totally feasible and wouldn't make me scared for my life.

 

[270on420out]

All of these points have no relevance to making schools safer which is basically the only reason any one gives a shit about gun control in the first place

Wait you actually think none of those points have no relevance to making schools safer?

Of course you don’t. Whenever mass shootings happen all you retardlicans just spout the same dumb bullshit. “AR doesn’t stand for assault rifle lol dumb libtard”.

 

[Rum_Ham]

Dude background checks absolutely need to be stronger. I'm pro gun but I support stronger background checks 100%

 

[iced]

cmon frenchy! dollar sign goes before the amount!

fuck you he has freedom remember

 

[Barfblitz]

Dude background checks absolutely need to be stronger. I'm pro gun but I support stronger background checks 100%

I agree, but what do you mean by "stronger"?

 

[Rum_Ham]

I agree, but what do you mean by "stronger"?

Better record keeping, integration of psych evaluations in background checks, firearm safety training for first time purchasers etc

 

[Lonely]

Treat them like airports, court houses, etc etc. Walls, gates, and security. Is that really that challenging to understand?

Hey man, no need to get your holster in a bunch. It was just a honest question.

It sucks to think about but my thoughts are the same. Metal detectors and such might need to become a thing. They already are at nearly every major landmark and you're a lot more likely to get killed in a school shooting than a terrorist attack.

 

[skierman]

Lol no its not. Assault rifles have been banned since the 80's. Just another lib who has no idea what hes talking about. Ugh, when will you all do basic research and learn.

All of these points have no relevance to making schools safer which is basically the only reason any one gives a shit about gun control in the first place.

So... youre an idiot? Dead ass used to be a big skiermann fan but apparently your trolling was actually just your incredibly low IQ.

The Assault Weapon ban was lifted/expired in 2004.

Those points were about the NRA being assholes and how pathetic gun control is in this country.

You are a massive fucking idiot. Why is it the people who are against gun control are also the most uninformed about gun control?

 

[Rum_Ham]

The Assault Weapon ban was lifted/expired in 2004.

Those points were about the NRA being assholes and how pathetic gun control is in this country.

You are a massive fucking idiot. Why is it the people who are against gun control are also the most uninformed about gun control?

None of the guns banned were assault rifles technically. Just semiautomatic rifles with pistol grips and such. That's why mini 14s were so popular during the ban. They function in a very similar manner being a semi automatic magazine fed rifle. The mini 14 just looks like a normal hunting rifle.

 

[skierman]

ahahaha dude im dying. The Irony is painful rn. Please refer to the post directly below yours to take the air out of your overinflated sails.

"I SAW A HEADLINE ONE TIME AND DIDNT DO ANY RESEARCH ABOUT IT AFTER SO IM RIGHT FOREVER" ahahah kills me. Keep livin that sheep life baby, maybe one day you'll be able to articulate a semi-informed opinion.

**This post was edited on Mar 5th 2018 at 11:34:58pm

Where did I post the AR-15 was ever fully banned? All I did was show that you're an idiot because you had no idea when the assault weapons ban was enacted and that you had no fucking idea that expired 14 years ago.

Just a piece of knowledge, even with the assault weapon ban it only had to do with accessories (2 to be exact, 1 being A FUCKING GRENADE LAUNCHER) for it to be banned. Its another pathetic and glaring example at our country's pathetic attempts at common sense gun control.

 

[skierman]

"The AR-15 used to be illegal. President Bill Clinton’s assault weapons ban, which was in effect from 1994 to 2004, banned the AR-15 and other guns that were too similar to military-style weapons. However, this law did not prohibit Americans from owning semi-automatic weapons;1 it capped how many military features an individual gun could have. During the ban, a semi-automatic rifle like the AR-15 could legally have any one of the following features, as long as it didn’t have two or more of them: a folding stock (making the gun slightly easier to conceal), a pistol grip (making the weapon easier to hold and use), a bayonet mount, a flash suppressor (making it harder to see where shots are coming from), or a grenade launcher."

 

[Rum_Ham]

"The AR-15 used to be illegal. President Bill Clinton’s assault weapons ban, which was in effect from 1994 to 2004, banned the AR-15 and other guns that were too similar to military-style weapons. However, this law did not prohibit Americans from owning semi-automatic weapons;1 it capped how many military features an individual gun could have. During the ban, a semi-automatic rifle like the AR-15 could legally have any one of the following features, as long as it didn’t have two or more of them: a folding stock (making the gun slightly easier to conceal), a pistol grip (making the weapon easier to hold and use), a bayonet mount, a flash suppressor (making it harder to see where shots are coming from), or a grenade launcher."

All cosmetic features

 

[TheDoughAbides]

lets make every teacher have a gun because a school with 100 armed staff members is totally feasible and wouldn't make me scared for my life.

hey at least theyll be able to really fight for those raises finally eh?

 

[TheDoughAbides]

fuck you he has freedom remember

Treat them like airports, court houses, etc etc. Walls, gates, and security. Is that really that challenging to understand?

sounds like you subconsciously long for the comfort and security of police state, my friend!

 

[Barfblitz]

Lmaoooo at you thinking I was unaware of the pretend ban that bill made ahahahahahahah

I was referring the actual banning of automatic weapons (1986 hotshot) since an ASSAULT RIFLE must have the following characteristics and have all been banned since 1986:

"short, compact, selective-fire weapons that fire a cartridge intermediate in power between submachine gun and rifle cartridges."[16] In a strict definition, a firearm must have at least the following characteristics to be considered an assault rifle:[2][3][4]

It must be capable of selective fire.

It must have an intermediate-power cartridge: more power than a pistol but less than a standard rifle or battle rifle, such as the 7.92×33mm Kurz, the 7.62x39mm and the 5.56x45mm NATO.

Its ammunition must be supplied from a detachable box magazine.[5]

It must have an effective range of at least 300 metres (330 yards).

Rifles that meet most of these criteria, but not all, are technically not assault rifles, despite frequently being called such.

For example:

Select-fire M2 Carbines are not assault rifles; their effective range is only 200 yards.[17]

Select-fire rifles such as the FN FAL battle rifle are not assault rifles; they fire full-powered rifle cartridges.

Semi-automatic-only rifles like the Colt AR-15 are not assault rifles; they do not have select-fire capabilities.

Semi-automatic-only rifles with fixed magazines like the SKS are not assault rifles; they do not have detachable box magazines and are not capable of automatic fire.

SO I ask again, how does your little speech above address any of the issues? youre mad about mods but none of these events happened with modded weapons. You're mad about legal gun sales but none of these weapons were purchased through any of the loop holes.

This whole "ban the mods" "ban the purchase" bs is laughable since youre not addressing the actual issues.

So again, do some research, get back to me, use your brain a lil bit, and yea, maybe you'll have an informed opinion after all that.

And for the record, I think that the FBI should absolutely be more proactive and responsible, and I think background checks should be stricter, and the age of purhase should be 21. But all the points you made do nothing to quell the school shooter/mass shooting shit so yea.

Also just LOL at the guy saying I support a police state because I think that our PUBLIC soft targets should have security at them. I'm cool with the gov protecting a place that I pay taxes to run, so yea, build a wall, make a gate. Big difference between walls to keep people out and walls to keep people in genius

I said the exact same stuff to skierman before and he quit replying. When faced with the facts he just leaves.

 

[skierman]

Lmaoooo at you thinking I was unaware of the pretend ban that bill made ahahahahahahah

I was referring the actual banning of automatic weapons

"Lol no its not. Assault rifles have been banned since the 80's."

You are next level idiotic.

 

[TheDoughAbides]

Also just LOL at the guy saying I support a police state because I think that our PUBLIC soft targets should have security at them. I'm cool with the gov protecting a place that I pay taxes to run, so yea, build a wall, make a gate. Big difference between walls to keep people out and walls to keep people in genius

Public soft targets? what about grocery stores!?! and parks!? hell, what about bars and restaurants!? why dont we protect those with with militarized policemen and walls and metal detectors too!

Sure there's a difference between walls meant to keep people in and those meant to keep people out: the people sitting on top of them!

as soon as they decide that they're having a bad enough day, they get to take everyone in the building hostage and protect themselves thanks to your tax dollars!

omg like just LOL

 

[mulchbrain]

Got another question here. Its a little off topic but still a bit of a hard one for me to understand.

So. Most of the argument against gun regulation is based around the constitution and how strong and seemingly sacred it is to the US. I understand that , its something most people from the US seem to agree on and support rigidly. Especially the second amendment . The thing i dont understand is if its so important why are not all the amendments not strictly held up in the same way?

For example :

Amendment VIII

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

The excessive bail part. Its so excessive business are making money from it . Obviously not all states do this but it seems to me that's enough to undermine the amendment .

Keep in mind im not living in the US so this is all based of research and unfortunately the media . So please inform me

 

[skierman]

Got another question here. Its a little off topic but still a bit of a hard one for me to understand.

So. Most of the argument against gun regulation is based around the constitution and how strong and seemingly sacred it is to the US. I understand that , its something most people from the US seem to agree on and support rigidly. Especially the second amendment . The thing i dont understand is if its so important why are not all the amendments not strictly held up in the same way?

For example :

Amendment VIII

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

The excessive bail part. Its so excessive business are making money from it . Obviously not all states do this but it seems to me that's enough to undermine the amendment .

Keep in mind im not living in the US so this is all based of research and unfortunately the media . So please inform me

Its because they don't use fucking logic. They're snowflake sheep that believe any baseless, paranoid assumption and they can only use fallacies devoid of facts to defend their position. When you call them out on it and they cannot defend it, they attempt to derail the conversation completely using semantics that have nothing to do with the discussion. You can see classic examples of this throughout the thread.

All the responsible gun owners I know including myself support more gun control because we're not idiots and we know it will never affect us or our rights to own a firearm as granted to us by the Constitution.

 

[TheDoughAbides]

Are you dim? You seem rather dumb. As it turns out, not all "public places" are state operated, or recognized as a "public places". In fact, most of those places are PRIVATE BUSINESSES. So crazy how that works out huh?

When was the last time you walked into a state owned grocery store? State owned bar? State owned restaurant? Oh wait, you never have.

State owned schools, courthouses, and other INSTITUTIONS OF THE STATE, are operated by the state. Private citizens can choose to secure their locals in whatever way they choose, like at bars where they employ security guards (cant tell if ur serious with your post).

Also in regards to parks, Park Rangers... r u fucking serious with this shit?

"as soon as they decide that they're having a bad enough day, they get to take everyone in the building hostage and protect themselves thanks to your tax dollars!"- You mean like every school shooter that has no resistance due to gun free zones and laughably ineffective current security measures?

This is why I think liberals are a joke. "WE NEED TO KEEP EVERYONE SAFE" "well maybe we should have more cops... "WE CANT TRUST COPS" "Well I still have a gun for self defense" "WE NEED TO TAKE THE GUNS AWAY FROM EVERYONE BUT COPS TO KEEP EVERYONE SAFE... BUT THEYRE STILL PSYCHOTIC MILITARIZED NAZIS"

^lol hes bringin the caps out!

I don't want your guns taken away brah. I don't think it will fix the problems in our country that are at the root of all this sickness. Bringing in more guns definitely won't fix it either, though. Building schools like prisons, regardless of intent, sets a shitty precedent to how the supposed greatest country in the world deals with its issues. Privately owned establishments still adhere to local, state, and federal regulations.

Also I hope you realize that public education is not a right and is not guaranteed anywhere in any legislature that exists in the united states right? so this meme makes literally no sense.

It effectively is under the 14th amendment. But you're right, it's not explicitly stated. Might partly explain why our public education system is so pathetic compared to other core counties.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure the freedom they were referencing was the freedom to own weapons without respect for their capabilities and largely regardless of one's mental health.

 

[H_up]

OP, I’m impressed. When I clicked on a thread about a charged political topic on Newschoolers, I was wary but it is actually a really good discussion

 

[skierman]

That hotdog clown who doesn't know the difference between "automatic" and "assault" should be the mascot of the NRA and gun nuts. He's a classic case of the jackasses who only derail conversations with nonsense because he doesn't have a single good reason to defend his position. This is the gun control debate in a nutshell.

 

[Barfblitz]

That hotdog clown who doesn't know the difference between "automatic" and "assault" should be the mascot of the NRA and gun nuts. He's a classic case of the jackasses who only derail conversations with nonsense because he doesn't have a single good reason to defend his position. This is the gun control debate in a nutshell.

I had very nice points in previous threads. You quit replying. Also, when asked to back up your claims you also failed to reply.

 

[Lonely]

Also I hope you realize that public education is not a right and is not guaranteed anywhere in any legislature that exists in the united states right? so this meme makes literally no sense.

Yes. You make that quite evident

 

[Lonely]

lmao, i provided the only facts in the thread, the rest of you just cried about your emotions.

Issa joke

 

[Casey]

Got another question here. Its a little off topic but still a bit of a hard one for me to understand.

So. Most of the argument against gun regulation is based around the constitution and how strong and seemingly sacred it is to the US. I understand that , its something most people from the US seem to agree on and support rigidly. Especially the second amendment . The thing i dont understand is if its so important why are not all the amendments not strictly held up in the same way?

For example :

Amendment VIII

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

The excessive bail part. Its so excessive business are making money from it . Obviously not all states do this but it seems to me that's enough to undermine the amendment .

Keep in mind im not living in the US so this is all based of research and unfortunately the media . So please inform me

Well after 9/11 we passed an emergency measure commonly known as 'the Patriot Act' that nullified various protections afforded in the bill of rights. Right to due process, right against unreasonable searches, right against cruel and usual punishment the duty of congress to declare war, etc. all went out the window.

To your specific question about bail, it's a little bit unfair to hold up the Constitution as written and say, 'well what about this' - there has been 200 years of interpretation by the supreme court that goes into how things work. It doesn't mean it's right, but it's likely been litigated.

 

[skierman]

Well after 9/11 we passed an emergency measure commonly known as 'the Patriot Act' that nullified various protections afforded in the bill of rights. Right to due process, right against unreasonable searches, right against cruel and usual punishment the duty of congress to declare war, etc. all went out the window.

To your specific question about bail, it's a little bit unfair to hold up the Constitution as written and say, 'well what about this' - there has been 200 years of interpretation by the supreme court that goes into how things work. It doesn't mean it's right, but it's likely been litigated.

QUIT USING COMMON SENSE AND LOGIC! THE FOUNDING FATHERS WERE ALL-KNOWING BEINGS AND COULD PREDICT EVERY SITUATION THAT COULD HAPPEN 200 YEARS FROM NOW! ITS NOT LIKE THEY COULD MAKE A MISTAKE RESULTING IN AMENDMENTS OR ANYTHING!!! OH WAIT WHAT THE FUCK

 

[Twinjibber77]

This is odd.... where are all the hippies? There are like a dozen gun owners in this thread, times are a changin'!

 

[Alaskanforlife]

I would definitely agree that criminals would still have guns for a while at least. But could it not be argued that in time guns will be harder and harder to acquire meaning less people having guns and then less gun violence.

I do see your point with your mother. But could laws be changed on what types of guns are allowed and who can own a gun?

And in regard to a national consensus . Would a vote work? I guess something has to be drafted to vote on and that's the issue??

In terms of laws for what kinds of guns are allowed there are a lot of factors that go into it such as subsistence use, custom weapons, and gun type and caliber.

**This post was edited on Mar 14th 2018 at 5:23:35pm

 

[iFlip]

In terms of laws for what kinds of guns are allowed there are a lot of factors that go into it. A very common and dangerous type of gun are handguns and semi automatic pistols which have all kinds of designs and calibers. Same with the rifle, which range from a .22 hunting rifle to assault rifles (including the ar-15 which has been made infamous for unfortunate events) and all the way up to 50 cal sniper rifles. So to limit what guns are sold you would have to consider quite a few different things such as custom weapons, indigenous peoples (such as the Alaska Natives from where i live) who hunt for subsistence purposes, and what is an acceptable and effective design and caliber for self defense. Just thought I’d put that out there

Interesting first post on this site. How did you find this place? Much of what you just said is either incorrect or has already been posted. There are calibers smaller than .22. There are also calibers significantly larger than .50. ARs are NOT assault rifles. Please stop perpetuating that media-crazed lie.

Also, you posted that handguns and semi-automatic pistols (which is as stupid as saying ATM Machine) are dangerous. Any firearm in the hands of someone with ill-intent is dangerous. No firearm is dangerous in its own right. It's the individual, not the firearm. My handguns have as little chance of being "dangerous" as my shotguns. In fact, my shotguns have killed far, far more things than my handguns. There are a heck of a lot of ducks, geese, and turkeys out there that would make the argument that my shotguns are far more dangerous.

 

[JakeDalBon]

this thread went to shit after 1 page.

 

[Liam_j10]

There would always be criminals who obtain guns illegally. Do we really want the law-abiding citizens to be the ones with a disadvantage?

Anyways as far as the whole theory to stop mass shootings: would making certain weapons illegal really help that much? Now I do think it would only be beneficial to create more strict processes towards obtaining guns (tests, record checks, etc.), but like I said before preventing them completely would be impossible. If someone is crazy enough and determined enough to commit these acts then they would undoubtedly find a way to obtain a gun. These people basically devote their lives to these acts; do you really think they would say change their minds because they can't walk into a store to pickup a gun?

 

[1776]