Two Lesbians Raised A Baby And This Is What they Got.

Marriage is just a title on a piece of paper to me. The whole concept is very grandiose and unnecessary. Have a series of house parties throughout a week or something instead if you still want to celebrate.
 


what the fuck. the point in this argument is really this.. it doesnt matter who your parents are it matters how they take care of you and the kind of environment they give you to grow up in. and straight people have a pretty good reputation for fucking up the lives of their children. just take a look at our prison system... why dont you wander in there and ask them how many of their parents are gay. it doesnt fucking matter if its 2 men or 2 women.. or 1 man and 1 woman.. as long as those 2 people are taking care of you and raising you with the love and devotion a child needs then things will be ok.
 
In a general sense that's true, but marriage also brings a lot of fiscal and basic rights to couples. I could pull up the whole list if you want, but overall, gays are getting fucked over by not being allowed to marry
 
Why shouldn't they be allowed to? I don't give a fuck about being married, but I should have the right if I want to at some point.

And Obama sucks, but at least he doesn't think gay people should burn in hell like some of the republicans. Listening to some of the debates mad me rage.

 
idk about the us, but in middle europe the benefits of a marriage i can think of off the top of my head:

1) when someone is in the hospital and has life-threatening diseases/injuries, only children/parents or spouses are allowed to see them, or have a right of information.

2) or when one of them dies and the house/whatever belongs to him. then the spouse can inherit the property at no cost, even if there is no last will.

these two are, to me, legit factors.

and youre whole "whats marriage" point is also questionable. the argument is that normal people (=everybody) should have the same treatment. call it differently, but the benefits should be the same.

in austria there is now such a thing as "registered life partnership". this allows homosexuals to have all the same rights as a man-woman marriage.
 
Very well said.

My views on gay marriage have certainly shifted over the years, even though I consider myself to be a Conservative Republican. His speech was very well written and wonderfully spoken, I can only hope that those who watch this video see the topic of gay marriage with a more open heart and mind.
 
I'm a republican.

At the same time I can't stand most of the stuff the republican party of today comes up with. Listening to the debates where most of the candidates talk about how wrong being gay is and how we need to protect their kids makes me rage.

And despite what a few people were saying in this thread, this issue actually does come up a bunch. Some people in here were saying that nobody was arguing that gay people can't raise a child, that is exactly what a shit ton of religious fanatic republicans are arguing. My parents send mad $$$ to fight any bit of progress through legislation. For every decent bill that comes up, their are millions of idiots ready to open their checkbooks.

It's unreal to me that people that ignorant are being seriously considered as good presidential candidates and they are on the fucking news as such.

The sanctity of marriage is such horseshit. People just like to find ways to justify their ignorance and bigotry.
 
I'm going to say this as simply as possible

1. Being gay is not a choice. It happens to people as a result of hormones. According to the Christians who are against homosexuality, this is gods fault as he created man. In fact he created man in his image, and yet he condemns them. Therefore God is either an idiot or gay.

2. Some guys who wrote a book hundreds of years ago to try and prove to themselves that they have meaning in life have no right to tell people who to love. And neither do any of you.

There is no legitimate way that you can argue against homosexuality. If you're not gay then that's fine. It doesn't affect you so leave it at that.
 
I'm all about being with someone if you love them. If its a gay relationship, ok...go with it. If it's straight, then that's cool too.

And for having kids...if you're a qualified parent, then go for it. I've seen straight couples that are terrible parents, and gay couples that are great. It's all about personality/ability to care for a child, not sexual orientation.

What I don't like are people who try to force views on others. The really religious kid in here who's name I can't remember has been pretty good overall. States his beliefs, and from what I've seen, will explain them. No need to call him on that. I've got the same view on religion as i do on relationships. Have at it however you please, but don't throw it at me or anyone else.
 
I see no problem at the same time mentioning that they're wrong.

Hell, if my religion thought that black were disgusting I doubt people would simply tell me "Good for you man, I'm glad you stand up for your beliefs".
 
From John 8:3-11 paraphrased

And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a man caught in homosexuality
and when they had set him in the midst,
They say unto him, "Master, this man was taken in homosexuality,
in the very act, Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned to death: but what sayest thou?"
This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him.
But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground,
as though he heard them not.
So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them,
"He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at him".
And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience,
went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last:
and Jesus was left alone, and the man standing in the midst.
When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the man,
he said unto him, "Man, where are those thine accusers?
hath no man condemned thee"?
He said, "No man, Lord."
And Jesus said unto him, "Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more!"
 
thats a horribly narrow view. The candidates run on a platform that they think will get them elected. who elects them? the random american.

a candidate sure as hell doesnt believe everything that he runs on, he just believes a good part of it, and the rest is there to help him get elected.

Thats why so many candidates get in trouble for being wishy washy in their voting history.

the majority of americans are undereducated, and undercultured...and that is sad. we really have very little foreign influences on our culture anymore, so we have become stagnant.
 
"thats a horribly narrow view. "

I don't really see what's wrong with it

Why is that not a good reason to hate on them? I like people that stand for what they believe in, make it clear, and stay consistent.

Most of the candidates every year are a fucking joke. At leats half of america is also a fucking joke when it comes to politics and voting.

Even some politicians I disagree with, I respect the fact that they've stayed consistent and don't just change with every election. (unfortunately that's few)
 
you can believe that, as foolish as it may seem...but provided you don't stand outside on the road with signs condemning them or publicly calling for violence and such, what can anyone do?
 
Seems like the breakdown of NS is simply about 10% skiing, 5% chad's gap, 15% random trolling, and 70% religious debates started by said trolls.
 
Although i still don't beleive they should pass any of these bills, i live in ct and nothing has changed, and this guy literally took a nice piping hot dump on these guys chest haha
 
It is my opinion, just so is everything you are saying is yours. Now I am a little wrong in saying everything that religion believes in is wrong, but that a lot of what is argued over, is wrong. That being my thoughts, means it's obviously not yours and it most likely won't change it, just like how you won't change non religious peoples views.

I just hate when religious freaks try so hard to prove people wrong with a lot of bullshit. I just really can't stand religious people being in your face trying to change your entire life, because THEY THINK it's wrong, with no real proof.
 
good point. "we" at least can resort to logic and scientifically proven (although not everything is proven) and repeatable facts.

so i feel like i have the right to impose "my view" on others. because i am not choosing which religion is right and i am not choosing how much of the religion is acceptable for me. i just let all of this out of my way.
 
true.

I've had so many people try to save me. Or pray for me. Went to church over the summer for the first time in liek 5 years, and that was just for a day then. But friends of our family were staying at our house and leaving not long after church so I went with them to see them for a little bit before they peaced.

After church the pastor was talking to their kids and me, asking about where were all in faith. Asked me something about there, not there, looking, or something ish like that. I told him that I didn't believe in it and probably never would and wasn't "searching" for anything. Also my friends mom was so excited that she had gotten me to go to church. I was trying to in a nice way say "bitch i just came to be nice and see you guys for a few minutes before you left. You aren't getting any fucking trophies in heaven. Religion is a joke, so GTFO"

/ cool story hansel. But yeah prolly the last time I'll go into a church again. Shit sucked. It was depressing. I wanted to kill myself
 
I went to church once because I had to film a choir singing. I had to sit through the whole service thing, it made me feel very uncomfortable in a way I have never been before. Especially the priest, the way he thanked me and shook my hand seemed phony and unnatural. His eyes gave a terribly wild look, as if he was on drugs or something.
 
True. It's def a weird fucking vibe. At a place where at least as far as beliefs go you'd expect open and exacepting people you find really change fake judgemental bigots.

Strange creatures they are. I went every week until I was 14 then went whenever I could get out of going and go work at the mountain. Then around 17 I completely stopped. Until then I was basically forced to go. I hated it. Shit was hack.

It takes some time to get over all the brainwashing and bullshit. It took me till mid highschool to be pretty much 100% over it. That just made going more awkward.
 
i hate these threads.. it always turns into the few most opinionated voices debating each other and then the posts from other people just go totally ignored... even though often time those people have some of the most intelligent or interesting points to make. bla.
 
Haha, you're banned, stupid fool.

OT: That guy should run for president. Talking about charisma and naturally gifted speakers, damn!
 
gays can get married, they have the same rights as every other american. ive really never gotten why gays think they are having their rights taken away. if they want to get married, its completely legal for a gay man to go marry a woman, or woman a man. as far as marriage goes, they have the same rights as everyone else.

im not one bit religious, but i can completely understand religious peoples concerns when gays say they want to get married to the same sex. marriage is and always has been between a man and a woman in pretty much any religion for ever. and now gays want to be told what they want is considered marriage too.

if they want to come up with their own non religious related word to join them together then fine. if they wnat a domestic partnership with all the benefits of a married couple i am completely for it.
 
Holy shit, are you serious?

Sure they can get married to the opposite sex. I'm STRAIGHT, and I feel like MY rights are taken away because if I wanted to, I should be allowed to marry a man. They realize your point, but that point is dumb because the rights apply to everyone. Your rights have been taken away too.

Furthermore, the whole "religious institution" thing is stupid. Marriage is controlled by the state. We have a separation of church and state (or at least we should). Therefore marriage has nothing to do with religion on the government aspect. If the people want to get married in a church, by a priest, so be it, but that doesn't mean same sex couples have to name it something different to accommodate for a certain group.
 
our rights arent being taken away, this is something that has never been a right, and now in the last about half century, people have started to feel that it should become a right. marriage has never been between the same sex. i dont see how its taking away your rights in any way, when its really not a right in the first place.. I happen to agree that marriage is something that comes from religion. and i can completely understand why religious people have a problem with it. if you are a christian, for example, and believe that homosexuality is a sin, and marriage is a "sacred" thing, i can see why that would piss you off. its pretty insulting to take something that stems from religion, and turn it into something that many religions are strongly against.

Im not saying that i agree with any of those religious views, but they have a very good point. call it a domestic partnership, dont involve any church or anything related to religion and they have no reason to complain. even then its still going to offend people, and people arent going to like it, but it would be a lot better, and it sure makes a lot more sense.

 
Even though I'm totally for gay marriage and I honestly think gays should have the right to marry, I have agree with this guy on this one point. I'll sit there and argue in favor of gay marriage all day but if somebody starts talking about how gays' rights are being violated or taken away, that's when I know they really don't have much of an idea of what they're talking about. It's like abortion. If the government were to outlaw abortion today, I'd understand when women started to claim their rights were being violated. But back before Roe v. Wade, abortion was a new right that people were fighting for, and back then if a woman were to claim that her rights were being violated because abortion was illegal, she'd lose a lot of credibility with me.
 
okay, i agree that the rights we never had can't be taken away. I was just using that language to get the point across that all of us should have the right to marry whoever the fuck we want as long as they are of age and there is mutual consent.

Once again the accommodate for religion argument is stupid. I also can see why religious people would be pissed, but that is their problem. MARRIAGE IS NOT A RELIGIOUS INSTITUTION. It is a state institution. That is why it should be called marriage.
 
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