Two Lesbians Raised A Baby And This Is What they Got.
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cobra_commander
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"First of all, cant tell if trolling or being serious? So you're judging an entire community based on what you hear from a few people you have met and a guy posting on NS?
I have at least 9 gay friends (probably even more plus all the bisexual people I know, these 9 were just the ones popping up in my head now) and they do not fit the discription. Whatsoever. You know why? Because people are different. Its like saying "yeah well this one time I met this straight dude from Oklahoma and he was a complete douche, so all people from Oklahoma, must be douchebags".[/i]
It is called sampling. No it is not a simple random sample, but I really don't have the time, or care to meet the entire gay population of just about anywhere, or even to gather a simple random sample. As such I base my opinions off the sample, which does change. Nothing is set in stone (except death, and taxes), my opinion can change. I bet if you met 50 people from Oklahoma, and 48 of them were complete douchebags, you would probably consider Oklahomans to be douchebags.[/b]
And come on, "overly self absorbed, totally lacking in situational awareness"? And you pin point a member on this site, seriously, what is your problem? Go in any thread here on NS and you'll see basically any post could be classified as "self absorbed".[/i]
I detest most NS members as well these days. I still stand by my statement.[/b]
Your issue is that you probably havent met any homosexual people (I hate writing about "them" as they are some kind of different species), how old are you? If the kids you have met who happen to be gay fit your description its probably because they are insecure teenagers.[/i]
I have actually met a few homos in my time. One of my flatmates right now is gay, and I can't stand his piece of shit self. Going through school, work, and general day to day life, I have studied with, worked with, interacted with and otherwise had to deal with dozens of people I knew were gay, and several more who I suspected were gay. I would say the vast majority of those fit the description above. They ranged in age from 18 to older 50s.[/b]
I dont really find your argument valid at all.[/i]
I don't rightly give a fuck what you think of my argument[/b]
None of my gay friends run around telling people how awesome it is to be gay, how gay they are or in any way act like any of the stereotypic gays you see on TV (loud, flamboyant etc). Media just feeds us that image because apparently its fun. Its fun to ridicule the stylish and girly man. Most of my homosexual friends you couldn't even tell are gay from talking to them for an hour or so.[/i]
Congradulations, I bet you also have sympathy and patience for fat people, women, and hurt feelings; I don't.[/b]
You probably know more gay people than you think, they've just decided to stay in the closet a little longer because they are afraid of how people will react and judge them, something I find very sad.[/i]
I hope they stay there[/b]
Homosexuality is not illegal,[/i]
Nope, thank god we live in a country where people are free to sin in their own way. God knows I got my own sins and a closet full of skeletons.[/b]
just because gays happen to be a minority being persecuted by the church since the existance of a church does not mean it is wrong.[/i]
The church might have persecuted it because it was wrong[/b]
Also, I find it upsetting to hear that gay people are bad role models for children. I would not have mind growing up with homosexual parents, as long as I had loving parents who accepted me for who I am I would be pleased. A few people I know (including myself) have been brought up in heterosexual environments with narrow-minded parents who tell you how and what you should be like. To me, that is the biggest fault a parent ever could do, denying me who I am.[/i]
See hurt feelings comment above. If you would like I can get you a hurt feelings report for you to fill out.[/b]
If my parents could decide I know for a fact I would be a so much unhappier person than I am today, heck I would have probably gone on and killed myself back in HS.[/i]
If that is how you think, you might want to get counseling. Killing yourself, irregardless of circumstance, is a bitch move.[/b]
But then I learned its ok to be different.[/i]
Different, just like Charles Manson.[/b]
I have at least 9 gay friends (probably even more plus all the bisexual people I know, these 9 were just the ones popping up in my head now) and they do not fit the discription. Whatsoever. You know why? Because people are different. Its like saying "yeah well this one time I met this straight dude from Oklahoma and he was a complete douche, so all people from Oklahoma, must be douchebags".[/i]
It is called sampling. No it is not a simple random sample, but I really don't have the time, or care to meet the entire gay population of just about anywhere, or even to gather a simple random sample. As such I base my opinions off the sample, which does change. Nothing is set in stone (except death, and taxes), my opinion can change. I bet if you met 50 people from Oklahoma, and 48 of them were complete douchebags, you would probably consider Oklahomans to be douchebags.[/b]
And come on, "overly self absorbed, totally lacking in situational awareness"? And you pin point a member on this site, seriously, what is your problem? Go in any thread here on NS and you'll see basically any post could be classified as "self absorbed".[/i]
I detest most NS members as well these days. I still stand by my statement.[/b]
Your issue is that you probably havent met any homosexual people (I hate writing about "them" as they are some kind of different species), how old are you? If the kids you have met who happen to be gay fit your description its probably because they are insecure teenagers.[/i]
I have actually met a few homos in my time. One of my flatmates right now is gay, and I can't stand his piece of shit self. Going through school, work, and general day to day life, I have studied with, worked with, interacted with and otherwise had to deal with dozens of people I knew were gay, and several more who I suspected were gay. I would say the vast majority of those fit the description above. They ranged in age from 18 to older 50s.[/b]
I dont really find your argument valid at all.[/i]
I don't rightly give a fuck what you think of my argument[/b]
None of my gay friends run around telling people how awesome it is to be gay, how gay they are or in any way act like any of the stereotypic gays you see on TV (loud, flamboyant etc). Media just feeds us that image because apparently its fun. Its fun to ridicule the stylish and girly man. Most of my homosexual friends you couldn't even tell are gay from talking to them for an hour or so.[/i]
Congradulations, I bet you also have sympathy and patience for fat people, women, and hurt feelings; I don't.[/b]
You probably know more gay people than you think, they've just decided to stay in the closet a little longer because they are afraid of how people will react and judge them, something I find very sad.[/i]
I hope they stay there[/b]
Homosexuality is not illegal,[/i]
Nope, thank god we live in a country where people are free to sin in their own way. God knows I got my own sins and a closet full of skeletons.[/b]
just because gays happen to be a minority being persecuted by the church since the existance of a church does not mean it is wrong.[/i]
The church might have persecuted it because it was wrong[/b]
Also, I find it upsetting to hear that gay people are bad role models for children. I would not have mind growing up with homosexual parents, as long as I had loving parents who accepted me for who I am I would be pleased. A few people I know (including myself) have been brought up in heterosexual environments with narrow-minded parents who tell you how and what you should be like. To me, that is the biggest fault a parent ever could do, denying me who I am.[/i]
See hurt feelings comment above. If you would like I can get you a hurt feelings report for you to fill out.[/b]
If my parents could decide I know for a fact I would be a so much unhappier person than I am today, heck I would have probably gone on and killed myself back in HS.[/i]
If that is how you think, you might want to get counseling. Killing yourself, irregardless of circumstance, is a bitch move.[/b]
But then I learned its ok to be different.[/i]
Different, just like Charles Manson.[/b]
Jane6
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what are you talking about? So homosexual parents are "brainwashing" their kids, how? What are the techniques they use by doing this? And what are they being "brainwashed" into, being gay? Did you even watch the video?!
Homosexuality is not a cult based on something written centuries ago, just as heterosexuality isnt. They are just as normal, just two different ways of life. Religion on the other hand (it being christianity, scientology, judaism, islam) are in some ways cults, just on different levels of the extreme.
Homosexuality is not a cult based on something written centuries ago, just as heterosexuality isnt. They are just as normal, just two different ways of life. Religion on the other hand (it being christianity, scientology, judaism, islam) are in some ways cults, just on different levels of the extreme.
KAS
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You say being gay is wrong and not normal. I say being a christian along with everything they believe is wrong and not normal.
And what they says is that you will never be correct, especially not in my eyes and a lot of others.
You can keep arguing in here, but I'm pretty sure there will be someone with some logic that will make you wrong.
And what they says is that you will never be correct, especially not in my eyes and a lot of others.
You can keep arguing in here, but I'm pretty sure there will be someone with some logic that will make you wrong.
Skimmed it, felt dumber from it.
EmperorKuzco
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hahahaha this.
Maybe here but his view points are generally pretty retarded.
I might have agreed with him once or twice in the last couple years
I might have agreed with him once or twice in the last couple years
Obi-Wan-Jenobi
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Well thats your opinion and your entitled to it. But for the sake of argument say everything Christians believe is wrong is just silly. So murder is fine, stealing is fine, cheating on spouses is fine, rape seems good etc etc. Solid argument we have here.
We don't need religion to have a system of laws.
.AR6rider.
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EmperorKuzco
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Real fucking hypocritical. You're calling him an asshole yet many christians in this country are preventing normal people from getting married.
Obi-Wan-Jenobi
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I never said we did. But buddy said that he believes that everything christians believe is wrong. So i pointed out the things he believes are wrong.
fratskier69
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also alot of kids are super fucked up and their parents are straight. it doesnt really have anything to do with the sexulality of the parents.
feihlination
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christians who follow everything blindly are
1) not good christians (contrary to popular practice) because they do not use the apparently god-given gift of intelligence
2) fuckheads.
being gay involves pretty much no choice. idk if its only genetical or only social influence, probably something in between. but YOU CAN question your god damned faith that you only have because your parents have the same.
i know a thing or two about faith, and its certainly not what vinceshamwow or whatever is showing in this thread. hes blindly accepting everything, theres a difference.
the christian god doesnt want mindless sheep as followers, but educated people who choose their faith themselves. jesus fucking christ QUESTIONED god himself during the crucifixion. is there clicking something? questioning your faith is an elementary part of religion and i feel like 0% of current christians do it. i know noone who is still a hardcore christian after doing it.
and i am not even christian since a few years, but i grew up in a fairly conservative area. every religious person who can truly say that they questioned their beliefs and evaluated their validity for their personal life has my respect. all others should fuck off. and anyone who thinks otherwise too. it has nothing to do with disrespect.
1) not good christians (contrary to popular practice) because they do not use the apparently god-given gift of intelligence
2) fuckheads.
being gay involves pretty much no choice. idk if its only genetical or only social influence, probably something in between. but YOU CAN question your god damned faith that you only have because your parents have the same.
i know a thing or two about faith, and its certainly not what vinceshamwow or whatever is showing in this thread. hes blindly accepting everything, theres a difference.
the christian god doesnt want mindless sheep as followers, but educated people who choose their faith themselves. jesus fucking christ QUESTIONED god himself during the crucifixion. is there clicking something? questioning your faith is an elementary part of religion and i feel like 0% of current christians do it. i know noone who is still a hardcore christian after doing it.
and i am not even christian since a few years, but i grew up in a fairly conservative area. every religious person who can truly say that they questioned their beliefs and evaluated their validity for their personal life has my respect. all others should fuck off. and anyone who thinks otherwise too. it has nothing to do with disrespect.
feihlination
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but his words were not preserved quite well.
check paulinism or "jesus gospel" for references. look at the qu'ran if you want. jesus survived the crucifixion there. why would you even believe the bibles version and take it as gods words?
check paulinism or "jesus gospel" for references. look at the qu'ran if you want. jesus survived the crucifixion there. why would you even believe the bibles version and take it as gods words?
feihlination
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not relevant to the whole lesbian thing, but if every christian could just watch that and see who you put faith into. in this form its relevant to the thread, because WHO is telling you that homosexuality is wrong?
god?
jesus?
not at all. just some people who have known people that knew jesus. you trust your parents and your priests that things are like that. you are not trusting god. not at all.
.RYAN66
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i ment it more to pick at how he called christianity brain washes you as a child into christianity.
however, you can not say that the child is more likely to be gay then if he was raised by straight parents.
i believe there is something in genetics that pulls people to be straight gay or whatever so the child would be whatever he is supposed to be right?
wrong, i know gay people who are married and have children just to please their parents(think almost all pedophiles) they are still gay but are living this life to make someone else happy.
so would the child who is raised by gay parents want to make his parents proud by being gay as well?
now ns is made of mostly liberal and uneducated teenagers who like to post gifs and meme's and argue ignantly against something they dont have any knowledge of, but only because they are not a person of faith no one should be.
however, you can not say that the child is more likely to be gay then if he was raised by straight parents.
i believe there is something in genetics that pulls people to be straight gay or whatever so the child would be whatever he is supposed to be right?
wrong, i know gay people who are married and have children just to please their parents(think almost all pedophiles) they are still gay but are living this life to make someone else happy.
so would the child who is raised by gay parents want to make his parents proud by being gay as well?
now ns is made of mostly liberal and uneducated teenagers who like to post gifs and meme's and argue ignantly against something they dont have any knowledge of, but only because they are not a person of faith no one should be.
.AR6rider.
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Being gay isn't a choice you fucking retard. I'd guess that gay people who live straight lives are just living a lie because they're afraid of the consequences/what people will think if they come out, not to "make their parents proud". What kind of sick parents would be proud that their child is straight. It's not like it's an accomplishment. A kid wouldn't just be like, "welp, guess I'm gonna be gay now. Better start sucking dick because I have two dads!" Take your head out of your ass.
deleted2
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False, the only fact of that, is that he came and he died. The rising is just pondering more or less, i really hate when people take religion into fact. And call me hateful, but ignorant christians make me want to punch a baby, for lack of a better phrase of course. Also, I can most certainly presume that you hate any person who questions the christian faith, or is of jewish religion or muslim religion, because we came first and inspired your religion, then we told you that Jesus wasn't the messiah, but rather just a prophet, so you became butthurt and prosecuted us during the middle ages. Also, there needs to actually be separation of church and state in the U.S. rather than this "illusion" of separation, that really doesn't exist, seeing as though the presidents have to be sworn in on a bible, our laws prohibit homosexuality. Also in the in tern, the U.S. government is currently breaking the constitution because there not passing homosexuality as a true form of marriage based on no facts that it's wrong besides the bible, because in the 1st amendment of the U.S. constitution it says, "Congress shall make NO law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."
HAHAHAHA i win
HAHAHAHA i win
.AR6rider.
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You never made a point.
samsquamch
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doesn't it also promote slavery? exodus 21:20 and 21:21
navierSTOKED
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Woooaaaahhh.. there's a fucking elephant in this post
ButteredToast.
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As humans we have the ability to create and follow logical patterns of thought and reasoning that no other organism can.
In conjunction with societal norms, this is where morality comes from.
californiagrown
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sooooooo from my experience, most christians take from the religon what makes sense to them. Each individual has a personal relationship with god, and from that you develop your own unique "religon" if you will. Some people think homo is wrong, some think its all good.
the worst way to convinvce someone they are wrong is to bash the the beliefs that they hold dearest, and to try and belittle them.
being an atheist is an act of faith. it makes a helluva lot more sense to me that there is no god and my ancestors evolved from primordial soup. but others think that the more plausible answer is a supernatural being named "god/allah/budha/etc". Who the fuck cares.
however, the state shouldnt take a purely(not ethical or moral) religous ideology into account when constructing its laws. gay marriage should have all the regulations and laws that stright marriage has. Its up to the churches whether or not they want to accept it though.
But its a tricky issue.
Can someone give me a solid answer as to why polygamy and incest should be outlawed(consensual of course), but gay marriage should be lawful?
the worst way to convinvce someone they are wrong is to bash the the beliefs that they hold dearest, and to try and belittle them.
being an atheist is an act of faith. it makes a helluva lot more sense to me that there is no god and my ancestors evolved from primordial soup. but others think that the more plausible answer is a supernatural being named "god/allah/budha/etc". Who the fuck cares.
however, the state shouldnt take a purely(not ethical or moral) religous ideology into account when constructing its laws. gay marriage should have all the regulations and laws that stright marriage has. Its up to the churches whether or not they want to accept it though.
But its a tricky issue.
Can someone give me a solid answer as to why polygamy and incest should be outlawed(consensual of course), but gay marriage should be lawful?
feihlination
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well i would say that most people promoting gay marriage dont have a huge problem with polygamy. its very common in a lot of countries and idk how anyone could be pro gay marriage but con polygamy. but i think authorities should somewhat mirror the level of consens is going on in such relationships.
but the incest thing is obvious in regard to the childrens health. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incest#Inbreeding look no further than noble lineages. as an example, the austrian line of the habsburger (very powerful in europe between 1300 and 1918). a lot of children died during young years despite receiving the best medical care available during their times. a lot of kings and emperors of them were total nutjobs with serious mental issues.
but the incest thing is obvious in regard to the childrens health. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incest#Inbreeding look no further than noble lineages. as an example, the austrian line of the habsburger (very powerful in europe between 1300 and 1918). a lot of children died during young years despite receiving the best medical care available during their times. a lot of kings and emperors of them were total nutjobs with serious mental issues.
navierSTOKED
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incest - genetics
polygamy - nil
polygamy - nil
californiagrown
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I am very aware of the incest offspring issues, but should we also not let parents who have genetic disorders reproduce?
I mean if there is a 50% chance of the kid coming out fucked up it is still legal to have children. Its a slippery slope when trying to control what is the "general good" for the population.
If the reason against incest is that it CAN(not will) produce genetic issues in the offspring, then why hasnt the govt stepped in to stop parents with other genetic issue from reproducing?
I mean if there is a 50% chance of the kid coming out fucked up it is still legal to have children. Its a slippery slope when trying to control what is the "general good" for the population.
If the reason against incest is that it CAN(not will) produce genetic issues in the offspring, then why hasnt the govt stepped in to stop parents with other genetic issue from reproducing?
RockyMountnHigh
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Ya cause youre a real class act you fucking twat. Go read a book written by a bunch of robe wearing hippies and call it a "holy book", then use the ramblings of a non-existent man named Jesus as an excuse to keep people from expressing themselves in a different way. Just because you and I are straight doesnt mean that we have to make it our "holy goals" in life to stop them from being happy.
californiagrown
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keep putting people down to make up for your own lack of direction in life. you sound ignorant, dumb, bitter, and a little dull.
you need to belittle him just because he believes something you dont? he isnt belittling homos, he just wants to spread his belief, in a curteous manner, that homosexuality shouldnt be condoned. is he wrong, yes, but atleast he can have a respect filled debate...unlike you.
If you dont like christianity, why dont you try and spread the word in a curteous manner as well...you little shit head.
you need to belittle him just because he believes something you dont? he isnt belittling homos, he just wants to spread his belief, in a curteous manner, that homosexuality shouldnt be condoned. is he wrong, yes, but atleast he can have a respect filled debate...unlike you.
If you dont like christianity, why dont you try and spread the word in a curteous manner as well...you little shit head.
dubtwo
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i would just like to say that i am catholic, i go to church every sunday, i got to a catholic school, (more specifically a Jesuit school), and i believe that being gay is perfectly fine. No where in the bible does it condemn gays. I believe that everyone was created by God. Being gay is not a choice. Wouldn't that mean that God created them gay, and views them as equal?
feihlination
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so the question should be more like
incest vs genetic disorder reproduction:
allowing neither, allowing one or the other or both.
it has nothing to do with gay marriage though and its legal status.
i would tend to say that incest again is a choice, so it should not be allowed. but limiting someone who is able to reproduce feels too much like nazi-policies.
i know the reasoning behind it isnt all that bad, like trying to only have healthy kids but with the whole nazi-thing in your mind you know where that will end, so i would say that that anybody who can reproduce should be allowed to. maybe medical support should be ensured so everybody knows the consequences and raise the possibility of having a healhty kid.
incest vs genetic disorder reproduction:
allowing neither, allowing one or the other or both.
it has nothing to do with gay marriage though and its legal status.
i would tend to say that incest again is a choice, so it should not be allowed. but limiting someone who is able to reproduce feels too much like nazi-policies.
i know the reasoning behind it isnt all that bad, like trying to only have healthy kids but with the whole nazi-thing in your mind you know where that will end, so i would say that that anybody who can reproduce should be allowed to. maybe medical support should be ensured so everybody knows the consequences and raise the possibility of having a healhty kid.
californiagrown
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you been failing dem ther religon calsses aint you?
there are literally hundreds of websites with bible verses condemning homosexuals...its just that they are from super antiquated parts of the bible.
there are literally hundreds of websites with bible verses condemning homosexuals...its just that they are from super antiquated parts of the bible.
feihlination
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show me more than 3 passages that clearly state that homosexuality is wrong.
i can find any bullshit in the bible. christians should really only read the shit that is repeated three times. that could actually be a solid religion.
i can find any bullshit in the bible. christians should really only read the shit that is repeated three times. that could actually be a solid religion.
californiagrown
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you can choose who you love? especially if you have lived with them for 20+ years? Im just arguing for the sake of argument here, but its a helluva lot tougher issue to tackle than either side gives it credit.
i think everything should be judged on a case by case basis...but that is just not feasible.
i think everything should be judged on a case by case basis...but that is just not feasible.
feihlination
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how often have you been in love? with a girl who lives too far away? with a girl that you feel you cannot talk with?
i have been there and its bullshit to say that love is a one-way ticket. i will never feel love towards an 8 yr old, towards my cousin (inb4 ECB) or towards an 80 yr old (as long as i am under 60 of course). saying that i can one day wake up and be all in flames for my 5 yr old cousin is an awesome argument.
and i dont like it that gay marriage gets pulled to the same level as incestual relationships. thats like A and B.
why wouldnt you allow consensual mass suicides? why wouldnt you allow consensual murders?
just because someone wants to do it, it shouldnt be legalized. the incest example is too far off from the actual debate imo
i have been there and its bullshit to say that love is a one-way ticket. i will never feel love towards an 8 yr old, towards my cousin (inb4 ECB) or towards an 80 yr old (as long as i am under 60 of course). saying that i can one day wake up and be all in flames for my 5 yr old cousin is an awesome argument.
and i dont like it that gay marriage gets pulled to the same level as incestual relationships. thats like A and B.
why wouldnt you allow consensual mass suicides? why wouldnt you allow consensual murders?
just because someone wants to do it, it shouldnt be legalized. the incest example is too far off from the actual debate imo
californiagrown
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why do you have to take everything to extremes? thats like trying to argue against gay marriage by bringing up the fringe elements of the gay community.
what happens when a brother and sister grow up together, and realize they are in love with each other? Im talking about relatives who are in love, and it would be beautiful and socially accepted if for no other reason than they are relatives.
gay marriage is not conducive to productive reproduction, similar to incest. I think that is why, at the most basic level, so many people inherently find it wrong, and have a somewhat visceral, though mild, reaction to it.
what happens when a brother and sister grow up together, and realize they are in love with each other? Im talking about relatives who are in love, and it would be beautiful and socially accepted if for no other reason than they are relatives.
gay marriage is not conducive to productive reproduction, similar to incest. I think that is why, at the most basic level, so many people inherently find it wrong, and have a somewhat visceral, though mild, reaction to it.
feihlination
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than, contrary to homosexuality, incest is a taboo in nearly all societies.
so, i would say that most, if not all cultures, independently of religion, find incest wrong. most cases of incest in history have featured some line of nobility in order to preserve their power.
its really hard to find a border, thats your point and i acknowledge that. i just think that if you made a survey in a western country, the majority would accept gay marriage and outlaw relationships between very closes relatives.
so, i would say that most, if not all cultures, independently of religion, find incest wrong. most cases of incest in history have featured some line of nobility in order to preserve their power.
its really hard to find a border, thats your point and i acknowledge that. i just think that if you made a survey in a western country, the majority would accept gay marriage and outlaw relationships between very closes relatives.
californiagrown
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so does that make it right? whatever the ruling class deems is right is now right?
i think we should all live by Tucker Max's guidelines to life:
as longg as its safe and consesual, its all good.
i think we should all live by Tucker Max's guidelines to life:
as longg as its safe and consesual, its all good.
.RYAN66
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why is that? now i think the big issue in politics about homosexuality is whether or not to allow gay marriage.
do you need to get married? does anyone need to get married? what is marriage?
Thornton wilder once said that 1 in 1000 marriages are good, now he was referring to the wedding its self, it is something that is supposed to show commitment, but do two people that a truly in love need to have the status of marriage?
and just out of curiosity are you in favor of obama? because i believe he stands more to the right on the gay marriage issue.
do you need to get married? does anyone need to get married? what is marriage?
Thornton wilder once said that 1 in 1000 marriages are good, now he was referring to the wedding its self, it is something that is supposed to show commitment, but do two people that a truly in love need to have the status of marriage?
and just out of curiosity are you in favor of obama? because i believe he stands more to the right on the gay marriage issue.