Two Lesbians Raised A Baby And This Is What they Got.

A little. It could possibly get back into full swing.

The next 25 posts are crucial though. We won't know for sure until after that.
 
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I haven't read this entire thread, but I have up until this, which I'm quoting. By your logic, this rule is to help Christians stay healthy, and perhaps propagate. The same could be said of the passage condemning homosexuality; gays could not produce children back then, and each individual Christian was more important to the religion's survival. Since Christianity as a whole is one of the largest religions in the world, the outdated idea of condemning homosexuality can be ignored along with the one condemning shellfish consumption. Either that, or neither can be thrown out, and you're just as morally reprehensible by Christian standards as a man who's just been sodomized by another man.

I'm honestly intrigued to see what your response to this is. I admire that you've kept calm and fairly respectful throughout this thread, despite many people assailing your beliefs, by the way.
 
Im gonna leave this little quote here. it is from one of my inspirations in life, and applies to my life everyday. I believe a lot of people can learrn from it.

Anyone know who said this?

“Be honest with yourself about who you are, and have the courage to be that person. If you want to fuck, then go fuck. If you want to get drunk, get drunk. And there is nothing wrong with sucking a dick. If someone tries to judge you or shame you for doing safe, consensual things that make you happy, I can guarantee you they’re a bad person–tell them to lick the dark part of your ass and cut them out of your life. No one has it all figured out, especially not the people who are acting like they do and judging you because of it. Pretending to be something you aren’t because you’re trying to please a bunch of judgmental hypocrites and shitheads is not the way to be happy; living the life you want to live is.

It’s that simple.”
 
oh and i believe that a hetero couple will be better parents than a homo couple, all ofther things being equal. I think that their should be a masculine, and feminine influence in everyones life.

That said, there are a ton of homo couples that will be better parents than a ton of hetero couples. so judge it on a case by case basis.
 
One could very easily argue that the christian bible condones child sacrifice, slavery, abusing your spouse, public executions, war, rape and killing for revenge. In the old testament, if you go strictly by the words, God is one vengeful motherfucker on everyone, even the people who believe in him. I dont see why there is such a movement among christians to stick with these conventions, as I cant imagine living in a world that was 100% conformed to the world the bible idealizes.

But christians arent harping to bring back slavery anytime soon. Almost nobody outside of Alabama wants the ten commandments to be put into law. True, we have a separation of church and state, even though gray the line sometimes may be, but I think the real reason christians arent backing archaic social behaviors is because the human moral compass shifts over time. We realized how bad slavery was, fought a civil war, and humanity shifted its view, even though hardliners kept up with discrimination for another century. And what happens to the holy texts that have written so clearly under the eye of god that condone this behavior? Oh thats right, we can interpret it in a different context, they dont mean "Slavery" by race or skin color, its instead just giving instructions for the old social ladder. Its fine, we can just ignore that part now.

Texts are the last, most stalwart edifices obstructing change. With half the country now in favor of legalizing gay marriage, I do think there will be eventual change, because yet have I to find one non-religious based reason why it should not be the case. You can bet that the people holding aloft texts penned thousands of years ago in ancient antiquated societies will be the last to modernize their point of view.
 
So yeah, on behalf the father, son, and myself, Christian zealots, way to misinterpret us. I don't know why we tried to help you, Really rethinking that whole bible thing. We just didn't really think anyone would take "be nice" seriously.
 
Tucker Max, though I thought it was Carlin at first. RIP -

"Religion has convinced people that there’s an invisible man…living in the sky, who watches everything you do every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a list of ten specific things he doesn’t want you to do. And if you do any of these things, he will send you to a special place, of burning and fire and smoke and torture and anguish for you to live forever, and suffer and burn and scream until the end of time. But he loves you. He loves you and he needs money."
 
As far as i know (and im no old testament expert) the rule was there to encourage spiritual cleanliness, just like alot of the other rules (dont have sex with your wife when shes perioding etc) because in order to enter the temple you had to be clean. The reason for entering the temple was to seek forgiveness for sins. But because Jesus dies on the cross for the worlds sin, enter the temple is no longer required. Thus the law about shellfish and pork etc is no longer required. And it is true that he died for all sin (homosexuality included) but that doesnt mean we should just keep sinning intentionally because its all forgiven. But thats just from a quick internet search on the subject so i apoligize if its not fully correct because i probably should be alot more well informed in this area if were gonna discuss this tsuff. And thanks for the complainment I admire the fact that you put forth a decent question. thanks
 
Conveniently choosing to dismiss one piece of scripture but not another? That is adding your own personal interpretation, something I don't see god liking.
 
I see no reason why having gay parents would be harmful to a child in any way. I have seen no evidence to support the fact that having two mothers or two fathers is severely detrimental to the development of a child. However, I have known and heard of many good people who have gay parents. I realize that this is anecdotal evidence, but it is at least a valid example, whereas the religion argument holds no water.
 
I think the only detrimental affects the children of gay parents may face are those imposed by a society constantly telling them their parents are wrong, and that they don't fit in. I don't see how all the gay jokes could not have an affect on them.
 
I did not dismiss one conveniently. i told you why i believe that law no longer applys. I also pointed out that just as many people who believe in evolution and the big bang theory dont spend their lives studying that stuff i dont spend mine studying th eold testament. But both them and me still have faith that its true. Even though we dont know everything there is to know about them.
 
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you're still saying while this part of the old testament doesn't matter any more this other one does.

But anyways, why should your belief take precedent over the freedom and rights of others?
 
It shouldnt by all means do whatever you want in your own house and in private, dont bring it in public, and dont push it on to other people.
 
Just because these things are bad (cept killing for revenge, thats pretty damn sweet) does not mean that two boys fucking are going to create a healthy, safe or in any other way good environment for a child to grow up in.

As I said in the thread on this 10 months ago, I would hate to have grown up with out a father figure of some kind, just as much as I would have hatted to grow up with two fathers.

Before you get side tracked, I understand the current social issue with divorced, separated, and missing parents. Many of children who grow up under these unfortunate and tragic circumstances develop into good citizens. If you were to ask them however, my guess is that most would prefer to have grown up with both their father and their mother. I see no reason why we should encourage, or even to adults to go out of their way to force a child into those conditions.

Yes, undoubtedly a child would be better off growing up with responsible and caring homosexual parents then abusive heterosexual ones. There is no good way however to insure that the homosexual adoptive (or artificial insemination) parents will be either responsible or caring.

Fact of the mater, all kids deserve to grow up with both a father and a mother. Tragically, not all are afforded that opportunity. I see no reason to increase that number.

Other arguments aside, my personal opinion follows, which is sure to be attacked and condemned by the progressive and 'with it' members of this website.

I do not trust homosexuals to raise children. I find most homosexuals I meet to be overly self absorbed (Ninja_Steeze example here), totally lacking in situational awareness, and otherwise unable to comply with societal standards. I do not want the gay community to have a large influence over children's lives. I fear the results it will have on our society.

ex: http://www.news.com.au/world/well-stop-puberty-so-tommy-can-become-tammy/story-e6frfkyi-1226169281540

I doubt that would have happened in a heterosexual household.
 
But why should you be able to push those beliefs on them? What makes you better? Especially in a secular society. How do their actions directly affect you?
 
I havent once asked anyone or anything like that. The threads about gay marriage and effects on kids, i gave my views, that doesnt mean you have to listen.
 
because their actions are not morally or ethically correct in his eyes. he wants to live in a moral society, and so he will vote a certain way, so as to try and ensure that it is. Many peoples moral compass is guided in large part by the bible. It is hard for a non believer to understand how a true relationship with god affects ones actions and belief system. It is almost as if you are solely here to do gods will, which is the path of good and rightousness.

I grew up lutheran(aka Catholic Light), and am now a firm atheist, but i completely understand where most people are coming from in regards to religon affecting their beliefs. Im probobly not explaining this well, so here is a fun little comparison:

Why should your beliefs take precedent over his?

Do you believe that polygamy and incest should be legal? if not, then you are taking away the rights and freedoms of those people.
 
What a great speech that guy made. I skipped all of the flaming in between the OP and here, however I did see a post by cobra_commander I agree with.

I've never understood how people can say that gay people can't properly raise a child, when there are so many straight parents that are awful parents. Who cares what your sexual orientation is, it all comes down to whether or not you are a good parent.
 
Why Thank you. And see Ninja's not straight and i have no problems with him. I might not think what hes doing is right, but thats not between me and him. And he doenst always bring it up and force it on me, so +k to you to.
 
If you have no problem with him, why why wouldn't you let him marry who he pleases? Or raise a child of his own?

If every ones moral beliefs are equally valid, why should yours be able to take away his right to be a parent, while his has no direct affect on you?
 
Because i believe it to be wrong, of course im going to say something about it. People were skinning animals for coats for years. But did this have any affect on people who lobbied to stop it? No. BUt they still did. Everyone can Believe what they and vote for what they want thats the beauty of democracy, you get to choose. So i choose to vota against gay marriage. You choose to vote for it. Whats wrong with that?

 
Your example is fucking retarded.

And though the majority rules, they aren't allowed to trample the rights of others.

51% of the people can't vote blacks back into slavery.
 
I should really re-read my posts before posting my grammar is bad sometimes. I disagree that any rights are being trampled and agree with the guy who said privileges are being trampled. And that is always the excuse for gay rights black people and slavery. But any way im tired from paddling through this shet storm. Im going to sleeep.
 
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