Trouble with cast touring system

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wildfire22123

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I mounted my cast touring setup on a pair of my pivot 18 bindings and it seems like there is a lot of flex in the toe piece of my binding. I have the alpine soles on my Roxa TI R3 130s and the Alpine AFD with my cast system. Is there a problem here or do you think it's safe to ski?
 
topic:wildfire22123 said:
I mounted my cast touring setup on a pair of my pivot 18 bindings and it seems like there is a lot of flex in the toe piece of my binding. I have the alpine soles on my Roxa TI R3 130s and the Alpine AFD with my cast system. Is there a problem here or do you think it's safe to ski?
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What do you mean there’s “a lot of flex in the toe piece”
 
Check the forward pressure and see if it’s a mounting issue.

to me, it doesn’t seem like a mounting issue but rather an AFD/boot sole interface issue. Look at how the nose of the binding is angled down. This would mean that there’s a lot of torque being applied upward by your boot. That would indicate that your AFD is acting as a fulcrum, which it shouldn’t be.

**This post was edited on Nov 29th 2020 at 3:17:08pm
 
14204366:shin-bang said:
Check the forward pressure and see if it’s a mounting issue.

to me, it doesn’t seem like a mounting issue but rather an AFD/boot sole interface issue. Look at how the nose of the binding is angled down. This would mean that there’s a lot of torque being applied upward by your boot. That would indicate that your AFD is acting as a fulcrum, which it shouldn’t be.

**This post was edited on Nov 29th 2020 at 3:17:08pm
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Very scientific and very correct. This and the fact that it seems to mounted for a smaller BSL seems to be the issue
 
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I mounted a new cast system this year and mine seemed to have the same issue. I've never used metal toe piece pivots before so I don't know what's normal but my boot will not slide in parallel to the toe piece without applying pressure. I removed my toe piece and put it up to my boot with no pressure and this is the angle it naturally sits at. To get my boot to be parallel to the toe piece I have to force it which then angles the toe piece down like OP showed in his picture.

I'm on board with the idea that its the AFD plate being to high like mentioned earlier. Then again I'm no shop tech and I'm new to metal toe pivots so if anyone has any input it would be much appreciated.
 
I'm noticing the same issue with mine when it comes to the toe piece flexing. As far as I can tell my forward pressure is set correctly but there still seems to be quite a bit of a downward angle on the toe piece from the upward pressure being put on the "wings" of the toe piece.

I'm using Salomon Shift 120 AT boots with GW soles and I have them paired with the GW AFD.
 
3 people all with the same issue...interesting. Definitely looks like either the AFD is too high or the sole on the boots is too thick...

Edit: somehow missed that the op fixed his by simple adjusting the forward pressure

**This post was edited on Nov 29th 2020 at 10:29:13pm
 
Incorrect fwd pressure could definitely be the issue, another possibility is that when you switched to the cast post that goes up into the binding, the spring blocker came loose and is not set in the toe piece properly. Im not sure if spring block is the correct term, but it is a small metal flange that sits between the spring and the post. If it is missing or not set into position correctly, the toe piece will not sit or work properly.
 
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I mounted a new cast system this year and mine seemed to have the same issue. I've never used metal toe piece pivots before so I don't know what's normal but my boot will not slide in parallel to the toe piece without applying pressure. I removed my toe piece and put it up to my boot with no pressure and this is the angle it naturally sits at. To get my boot to be parallel to the toe piece I have to force it which then angles the toe piece down like OP showed in his picture.

I'm on board with the idea that its the AFD plate being to high like mentioned earlier. Then again I'm no shop tech and I'm new to metal toe pivots so if anyone has any input it would be much appreciated.
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Email cast they'll set you straight
 
I've had this issue with the same toe pieces this year, and also a set of pivot 18's last year. The pivot 18's last year did not have the GW marked AFD originally, and Look ended up sending me a new set that did have the updated AFD and they worked perfect. Then this year I was setting up a couple sets of SPX 15's for a racer, and both sets had the same issue - no GW AFD on these either, but shouldn't be an issue with a regs alpine sole anyways... I was also setting my pivot 18's up with a Hawx Ultra.

After a bunch of back and forth with the Look rep and sending a bunch of videos to their head office, they are sending more replacements for the race bindings, so we'll see how it goes.

None were with a cast system

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I just recently did the same conversion with a GW sole. in your pic the tower seems to be sitting right. This is what my setup looks like.

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Cast is honestly a pretty garbage company. I have had many issues with their bindings and never receive a response from support. When I bought the bindings they were listed at one price on the website and then changed without telling me in the cart which is shady as hell. Emailed support about that they didn't care. I had issues with the toe pieces coming off during falls, no response.

Just look at their website says things are going to be available november 15th. It's december 3rd???

Overpriced and 0 support when their product fucks up.
 
14206587:StraightAirsOnly said:
Cast is honestly a pretty garbage company. I have had many issues with their bindings and never receive a response from support. When I bought the bindings they were listed at one price on the website and then changed without telling me in the cart which is shady as hell. Emailed support about that they didn't care. I had issues with the toe pieces coming off during falls, no response.

Just look at their website says things are going to be available november 15th. It's december 3rd???

Overpriced and 0 support when their product fucks up.
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Lmfao you just joined this forum, best advice is to not bash a company that’s very rooted in skiing and supports a whole bunch of people, not to mention sells out of product year after year. You probably don’t know shit about bindings and couldn’t set them up yourself, so you decided to shit talk them on an Internet forum ??? foh dude no one wants to listen to your whiny ass complain about a solid, reputable product ?
 
14206587:StraightAirsOnly said:
Cast is honestly a pretty garbage company. I have had many issues with their bindings and never receive a response from support. When I bought the bindings they were listed at one price on the website and then changed without telling me in the cart which is shady as hell. Emailed support about that they didn't care. I had issues with the toe pieces coming off during falls, no response.

Just look at their website says things are going to be available november 15th. It's december 3rd???

Overpriced and 0 support when their product fucks up.
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14206595:animator said:
Lmfao you just joined this forum, best advice is to not bash a company that’s very rooted in skiing and supports a whole bunch of people, not to mention sells out of product year after year. You probably don’t know shit about bindings and couldn’t set them up yourself, so you decided to shit talk them on an Internet forum ??? foh dude no one wants to listen to your whiny ass complain about a solid, reputable product ?
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[tag=276804]@StraightAirsOnly[/tag] for your information CAST doesn't make bindings... it's an upgrade kit for savy Pivot lovers who can't ski without Pivots even in the backcountry. I'm grateful that some smart ski bums are working their ass off to make something innovative without big brand support, people who use, love and support CAST just know that and are patient with them, they're doing their best and we're surly very happy they exist!

**This post was edited on Dec 3rd 2020 at 5:06:22pm
 
14206600:colorado_frenchy said:
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[tag=276804]@StraightAirsOnly[/tag] for your information CAST doesn't make bindings... it's an upgrade kit for savy Pivot lovers who can't ski without Pivots even in the backcountry. I'm grateful that some smart ski bums are working their ass off to make something innovative without big brand support, people who use, love and support CAST just know that and are patient with them, they're doing their best and we're surly very happy they exist!

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Alright binding conversion kit plus pin toe piece*

I was probably being too harsh to say "garbage company" but "bad support" is fitting. I have had CAST for a while and have NEVER got a response to my email or message even after months. I bought two pairs last year and one was defective, the locking mechanism on the toe piece doesn't hold converted pivot toe piece in when the boot come out. Extremely annoying to have to go looking for your toe piece when you eject in pow. I don't know how that could possibly be my fault as it is their base plate attached to their toe plate.

Honestly if they even responded to my messages saying sorry I would not be so annoyed with them. It's an innovative design that could be much better with a few improvements (compare their toe pieces to something like an ion and its not even close to as easy to step into, has more snow build up or the break locks that sometimes come undone while touring w.e. they are a small company I understand these more minor issues) but they should own up to their mistakes not ignore them.
 
14206656:StraightAirsOnly said:
Alright binding conversion kit plus pin toe piece*

I was probably being too harsh to say "garbage company" but "bad support" is fitting. I have had CAST for a while and have NEVER got a response to my email or message even after months. I bought two pairs last year and one was defective, the locking mechanism on the toe piece doesn't hold converted pivot toe piece in when the boot come out. Extremely annoying to have to go looking for your toe piece when you eject in pow. I don't know how that could possibly be my fault as it is their base plate attached to their toe plate.

Honestly if they even responded to my messages saying sorry I would not be so annoyed with them. It's an innovative design that could be much better with a few improvements (compare their toe pieces to something like an ion and its not even close to as easy to step into, has more snow build up or the break locks that sometimes come undone while touring w.e. they are a small company I understand these more minor issues) but they should own up to their mistakes not ignore them.
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Classic new NS member who joins and immediately shits on a cool company, then backtracks when they realize that no one will agree. There’s like 8 people that work there dude they work stupid hard to pump out as many kits as they can. Every time I reach out to them I get a response within 3-5 days which is more than reasonable. Stop whining, imagine your biggest problems being that a ski brand won’t respond to you.
 
waiting for my new boots, pivots, and cast system to ship. this thread is making me think I should have gone with shifts for my JJ UL's

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Cast support is fantastic. I have got email responses back the same day I send them, sometimes within an hour. Always get the answer to my question. Solid product, solid support.
 
14204706:HappyTreez said:
Incorrect fwd pressure could definitely be the issue, another possibility is that when you switched to the cast post that goes up into the binding, the spring blocker came loose and is not set in the toe piece properly. Im not sure if spring block is the correct term, but it is a small metal flange that sits between the spring and the post. If it is missing or not set into position correctly, the toe piece will not sit or work properly.
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This is most likely the problem, i did the toe conversion (after a few beers) and found one of the toes about 3mm lower and canted forward. When i took the toe apart again i found that i put the metal flange thing in backwards. i fixed the issue and couldnt be more happy with the setup. This setup has a lot of forward engineering that has gone into it and i would figure most people do the toe conversion themselves, keep in mind not everyone is mechanically inclined and or sober while doing this.

Ive also had no issue with CAST or their customer service, great company and really quite remarkable what they have achieved.
 
Waiting for my setup with cast to get mounted as I write this. praying the tech does everything correctly. he said he has done two pairs before. will post an update later.
 
14230490:VT_scratch said:
Waiting for my setup with cast to get mounted as I write this. praying the tech does everything correctly. he said he has done two pairs before. will post an update later.
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If he can follow directions and mount pivots he’ll be fine!! It’s a super easy conversion honestly, and super efficient!
 
14230490:VT_scratch said:
Waiting for my setup with cast to get mounted as I write this. praying the tech does everything correctly. he said he has done two pairs before. will post an update later.
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I did mine and it was just as easy as mounting pivots so you should be all good
 
Hello Everyone,

I have read this thread and just wanted to let everyone know what is truly going on here.

1. When swapping from the Look Toe Pedestal to the Cast FreeTour Pedestal there are 3 washers/spacers that need to be placed correctly. If you put one of those washers/spacers in backwards or don't get them aligned properly you will get the results you are seeing in this thread. Pull the Toe apart again and follow the directions we have on our website or in the manual we send with each kit. Once put back together I will raise the release value (DIN) to a high number to help everything set in place. I will then return the release value back to what it is suppose to be based on my weight, height, age, boot sole lenght, and skier preference.

2. The Forward pressure is the other thing that can create this. We have found, specially with GripWalk, people are setting their bindings a little too tight. Please have a certified Look Dealer do this as they know best on how tight the forward pressure should be.

3. Check to make sure your boot sole is paired with the correct AFD. We offer 3 different AFD's to accommodate most boot norms. Alpine AFD, GripWalk compatible AFD, and a WTR AFD.

4. If you are still having trouble please feel free to reach out to us at Cast@CastTouring.com. We are always more than happy to help.

Thanks,
 
14319350:Cast said:
Hello Everyone,

I have read this thread and just wanted to let everyone know what is truly going on here.

1. When swapping from the Look Toe Pedestal to the Cast FreeTour Pedestal there are 3 washers/spacers that need to be placed correctly. If you put one of those washers/spacers in backwards or don't get them aligned properly you will get the results you are seeing in this thread. Pull the Toe apart again and follow the directions we have on our website or in the manual we send with each kit. Once put back together I will raise the release value (DIN) to a high number to help everything set in place. I will then return the release value back to what it is suppose to be based on my weight, height, age, boot sole lenght, and skier preference.

2. The Forward pressure is the other thing that can create this. We have found, specially with GripWalk, people are setting their bindings a little too tight. Please have a certified Look Dealer do this as they know best on how tight the forward pressure should be.

3. Check to make sure your boot sole is paired with the correct AFD. We offer 3 different AFD's to accommodate most boot norms. Alpine AFD, GripWalk compatible AFD, and a WTR AFD.

4. If you are still having trouble please feel free to reach out to us at Cast@CastTouring.com. We are always more than happy to help.

Thanks,
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Love you ❤️
 
14319350:Cast said:
Hello Everyone,

I have read this thread and just wanted to let everyone know what is truly going on here.

1. When swapping from the Look Toe Pedestal to the Cast FreeTour Pedestal there are 3 washers/spacers that need to be placed correctly. If you put one of those washers/spacers in backwards or don't get them aligned properly you will get the results you are seeing in this thread. Pull the Toe apart again and follow the directions we have on our website or in the manual we send with each kit. Once put back together I will raise the release value (DIN) to a high number to help everything set in place. I will then return the release value back to what it is suppose to be based on my weight, height, age, boot sole lenght, and skier preference.

2. The Forward pressure is the other thing that can create this. We have found, specially with GripWalk, people are setting their bindings a little too tight. Please have a certified Look Dealer do this as they know best on how tight the forward pressure should be.

3. Check to make sure your boot sole is paired with the correct AFD. We offer 3 different AFD's to accommodate most boot norms. Alpine AFD, GripWalk compatible AFD, and a WTR AFD.

4. If you are still having trouble please feel free to reach out to us at Cast@CastTouring.com. We are always more than happy to help.

Thanks,
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nice thanks for the update and clear information, getting my first pair of CASTs in a few weeks, stoked
 
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