Toronto teen shot 9 times then tasered by cops

I think to properly assess this situation you need to look at crime on public transportation in Canada. Not too long ago there was a 23 year old kid stabbed in the heart by another kid who wanted his iPod. A few years ago another guy beheaded a dude on a greyhound bus and countless amounts of other shit. I think this was the tipping point for the cops, there fed up with people thinking they can fuck around on public transit so they made an example of this little shaver.
 
what?

just cause he shot the kid doesnt mean he was nervous or freaking out.

he specifically said drop the knife, numerous times. he then said if you take one step forward ill shoot.

thats sounds like control to me.

people are making it seem like cops are pulling you over for speeding, walking up to your window, putting a gun to your head and pulling the trigger.

kid has knife.

kid is threatening lives.

kid ordered to drop knife, doesnt.

kid ordered not to take another step or will be shot, does.

kid gets shot.

kid dies.

why give police the legal right to give orders and carry firearms if they cant fuckin use them??

"take another step and ill shoot, haha just kidding, im not allowed to use my gun, please dont stab me to death".

seriously guys.
 
Seward, I feel kinda bad. I didn't mean to call you out specifically. And you do have a point, it's impossible to understand how hard doing that job must be, and I don't envy having to make the kinds of decisions that police officers have to make. For me, personally, I don't think it's unreasonable to question the tactics in this particular situation. And I think that, unfortunately, only massive amounts of angry demonstrations drive change. So this outrage is a necessary part of looking at how different training or a reevaluation of protocol might be able to help cops do their job better by making it harder for us to bitch and thus easier for them to do their job.
 
Im not offended, therefore there is no reason to feel bad.

you have provided some of the most intelligent answers in this thread, despite having a different opinion than me, which i respect.

it is not at all unreasonable to question the tactics of police officers. infact i encourage it.

but i think not just specifically in this scenario, but most, if not all situations involving police are questioned, rallied against, demonstrated for etc not because people think the police acted inappropriately, but because people just straight up hate the police.

this is the exact fuckin reason why a special investigations unit exist in the first place.

professionals, who are legally bound not to be biased, examine every single minuscule fraction of information to determine if the actions taken by police were appropriate.

remember g20? remember the officers that removed their name badges and assaulted innocent protesters? They were processed by the SIU and legally charged for their actions.

not suspended with pay, but legally charged, which includes a discharge from Toronto police force.

those "officers" will never work in policing again, as they shouldnt, they abused their power and were caught.

the exact same thing will happen here. SIU will probe, and if it is found that the officer acted unjustifiably he will be dealt with accordingly.

all im saying, is from what i have seen, read, watched etc etc, that the officers actions are completely warranted.

however, i am not a cop nor do i work for the SIU, which is why i have absolutely no business telling other professionals how to do their job, like the rest of society feels entitled to do.

if there was a fuck up here, it will be exposed, rest assured.

i just personally dont think theyre gonna find one.
 
Good!

Saying, "Take one step forward and I will shoot", and then shooting is not control. It's just bad police work.

With the amount of officers present at the scene, they could have taken him down easily with non-lethal tactics.

 
If I'm paying someone to do something with my taxes, you can be damn sure I'd be willing to stand up and fight to make sure it's done correctly.

 
yaya.

we are going in circles here.

maybe the SIU will hire you, teenager with no expertise or experience to tell them what sloppy police work is.

really, he should have just shot the knife out of his hand, and instead of tasering him he could have judo chopped him in the jugular.

surely atleast 1 of the 22 officers on site knows kungfu.

side note:

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I looked into who the cop was a little (weight lifter, ex football player) I'm guessing he's on steroids and has some self esteem and control issues. If you've ever talked to anyone on steroids they'll tell you that it's like turning the element on a stove up a notch and it's easier to 'snap' aka roid rage. James Forcillo was probably all pumped up going to the scene and ready to shoot someone before he even got there. He told this kid if he took another step forward he would shoot, the kid called him a pussy a couple of times (not helping the situation at all, and probably enraging this cop a little more) took a step forward and got clipped. They're both at fault for being idiots - this cop should without a doubt lose his badge and definitely do some time (but he won't) and I hold absolutely no remorse for this Sammy kid.

I bet you, if they test this cop, he'll be positive for steroids.
 
last few shots (when the guy was already on the floor) seemed "a tad" extensive. everything else is judgemental, stressful situation, blablbala, but shooting a guy 5 times who already has several rounds in his body and then have the nerves to taser him (after 9 shots) is pretty fucked up
 
this is we todd did. there is absolutely zero evidence to suggest that anabolic steroids played any role at all what so ever in this shooting. i could just as easily say that he was on cocaine because he jumped the gun (no pun intended) on pulling the trigger. ridiculous speculation. nothing more.
 
lol, are you fucking serious??

hey, well we are stereotyping people; he's a cop, so he must be an alcoholic wife beater as well right?

what an absolutely ridiculous profiling and even more outlandish assumption.

seriously, re-read what you just wrote, turn off your computer, lay down in bed, and have a good cry.

Cause that might be one of the most idiotic comments i have ever read.

"going to the scene and ready to shoot someone before he even got there".

jesus herbert christ....

youz dumb
 
Why did he shoot the kid an extra 5 times? And why did this only happen now? Why not a day, or a month or a year ago? It said that this cop went from being 140lbs to 220lbs in a couple of years. I'm just putting some facts together here, no need to attack my opinion like a child.
 
you should be a judge.

haha just joking youre completely fucking retarded hahahaha jeez louise i hope youre 15 so you can still fix yourself
 
i think you are extremely confused as to what a "Fact" is.

fact:

NOUN:



  1. Knowledge or information based on real occurrences: an account

    based on fact; a blur of fact and fancy.


  2. Something demonstrated to exist or known to have existed:

    Genetic engineering is now a fact. That Chaucer was a real person is an

    undisputed fact.

    A real occurrence; an event: had to prove the facts of the

    case.

    Something believed to be true or real: a document laced with

    mistaken facts.

[*]A thing that has been done, especially a crime: an accessory before

the fact.

[*]Law The aspect of a case at law comprising events determined

by evidence: The jury made a finding of fact.



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maybe you are getting fact confused with speculation, or perhaps bullshit?

and wait.

"why did he shoot the kid an extra 5 times"?EXTRA??

so rounds 1-4 were ok, rounds 5-9 were extra?

"why did this only happen now, and not a day or a month or a year ago"?

i dont even understand what youre trying to say here.

"it said that this cop went from 140 220 lbs".

what is it??

its cool to have an opinion, i get it.

but your post is just idiotic mumbling that you keep referring to as facts.

literally it would be no different than if i were to come in here and say the only reason he shot the kid is because he is a ex-member of al-qaida. like seriously, why else does he have a goatee?

youre the same person that looks at the least flattering picture of this police officer off his facebook profile presented by the media, takes one hard look, and says "guilty".

shit doesnt work like that, kid.
 
you didn't answer the question bro, we all want to hear it, justify to us WHY you think the use of that many shots was needed. Watch the second video up there, you can see him down not moving after the very first shot, another two, then there's that break, the next shots after the pause you can see his body twitching and jolting moving him towards the door. Tell me, what did that kid do that required that many gunshots?
 
i get along with the majority of people i meet quite well.

you seem like a person who has run out of things to say....
 
i dont need to justify anything.

as i mentioned before, im not a cop, i dont have any training or prior expertise to make ANY of the decisions made that night, therefore i have absolutely no right telling anyone how many shots are needed to detain someone, especially a professional.

as i mentioned before, but you seemed to over look, the second the cop said take one step forward with that foot and ill shoot, and the suspect didnt oblige, that meant he was going to shoot him.

i dont care if its once, i dont care if its 9 times, i dont care if he used a fuckin minigun and shredded him to bits.

he had a knife, he was threatening innocent peoples lives, he was shot and killed by police.

how do people have any remorse for people like this?

serious question. what if the police only fired once, but that one bullet just happened to kill him?

would everyone be saying good job, or would it still be "Excessive" because he killed him?
 
yes there would still be the discussion. but your opinion is way too harsh and lacks any form of empathy.

there are a billion reasons that this dude was in the situation he was in. he was definitely (like by definition if you didnt get that) not right in the head, so its kinda like shooting a handicapped person.

and shooting him 9 times or once, or "using a fucking minigun and shredding him to bits" or ONCE is not the same thing.

i am, too, not a cop and wont say a thing about the first few shots, as it all happens fast and while i think its wrong to be such a loose cannon as a police officer, i will not concentrate on that because shots 5-9 were completely overboard. fact. tasering afterwards is almost a joke.

this thread is (like always) full of these conservative adult guys who saw soooo many bad things in their life and respect police no matter what they do because everyone on this fucking planet deserves to get shot and the other fuckhead side where every cop is a pig.

there is no middle ground for a legit discussion. seriously dude, you wouldnt care if he blasted that dude with a LMG? in a fucking public space? go get a reality check, this guy has as much right on a fair trial as anyone, no matter if he kills 20 or 30 (or NO) people. you and your lynching line of logic shouldnt even exist, its fucking 2013 dude, wake up.

this is not even a question of humanity or empathy, its plain and simple civilization. a judge determines whether your guilty or not, not a cop who for some reason thinks it ok to shoot someone 9 fucking times? is he a "professional" (as you state it) or what? either he is the worst shooter on earth or he enjoys putting 5 rounds into a guy lying on the floor. either way not very professional. stop defending such horseshit actions with more horseshit arguments.

"i wont care if he shredded him to bits", uganda be kidding me, internet tough guy.

 
i actually was careful with that word and i think its placed close to perfection there.

i know someone with some mental issues will go apeshit on my post. but i cannot stand people with that "much" empathy. like we dont need jails, just gas everyone who did something wrong.
 
I have no idea why he was shot 9 times. It was probably excessive. That said, anyone making judgement calls based on video footage a minimum of 20-30 feet away with traffic noise/sirens/people yelling in the background is doing so without all possible information. Believe it or not, things happen and are said in close quarters that aren't picked up by those who aren't there. I trust our police to react according to their training/policy/procedure/etc. Unless you've gone through that training/have extensive knowledge of law and police policy/procedure, you should probably refrain from judging too harshly.

And to the guy saying the officer doing the shooting did so because he's on steroids... I dont know what to say. I'm not even mad.
 
les sigh

We are going in circles here.

There is no prior evidence of any mental instability in the suspect, so no, its not like shooting a handicapped person.

Its more like shooting a fully functional, completely mentally capable, 18 year old who was threatening innocent peoples lives, with a deadly weapon, while they took public transportation.

dont be so analytical, my point of using a minigun was to emphasize the fact that im really not concerned with how many times he was shot. not that unloading a minigun on suspects in the middle of downtown toronto is solid police work or a good idea. lets use a little common sense.

lol, lynching line of logic. I like how defending the police actions in this one particular situation suddenly turns into me wanting absolutely everyone with one bad fibre in their body to be executed.

its 2013 dude, wake up, ammunitions expensive.

again, i ask, how come you are ok with the first four shots, but not the next 5-9? and why was tasering so humorous to you?

Again, i ask, if he shot once and killed him would you be ok with that?

what if he was shot 3 times? its still under 4 shots, which if im understanding correctly you are quite alright with.

its interesting that you bring up a fair trial.

its ok for Sammy Yatim to have a trial if he kills 30 people?

but its not ok for the SIU to to their jobs, and if they find evidence against James Forcillo to take him to a fair trail??

no no, he is labelled as a pig and a murderer right out of the gate SOLELY on the fact that other non-trained personel disagree with his actions.

honestly, the only information that has come out of this is from a couple witnesses reports and a few shitty cell phone vids.

We dont know for certain:

how many shots were fired.

if one cop fired every shot.

if Sammy was hit.

if a taser was even used.

etc, etc, etc

and we wont know until the SIU completes its investigation and release's their statement.

everything right now is just speculation and assumptions, tough guy.
 
well first off don't go getting an internet hard on and act like you are the lord force and your opinion reigns supreme when you can't even back up your very first argument in the first place, with an elegant counterargument as great as "i don't have to justify anything." At the time of the shooting everyone was off the bus, i didn't see one person on that bus not even the driver, and this article confirms that: http://www.calgaryherald.com/opinion/editorials/Editorial+Shooting+Toronto+teen+raises+troubling/8743902/story.htmlTherefore at the time of the shooting NO ONE was in danger not even the officers because of the fact that there was a streetcar in between them, he was inside, they were outside; he had a close range weapon, while they had multiple long range weapons including handguns and it is very hard to make the assumption none of those officers had a stun gun that was capable of taking him down from a distance. i fail to see how you can justify this move, still waiting for that one. And to answer yours no, 1 shot would not have been any better, but the 9 shots DID make it worse.
 
Why is anyone trying to "justify" anything? Who really gives a flying manatee fuck? A criminal is dead, no civilians were injured, and life goes on. Why you people are concerned over the pathetic life of some dipshit fuckface who went onto a public bus with a knife is mind-boggling. He's fucking dead, who gives a shit how many rounds it took. He would be just as dead if he was shot with one round in the head. How can you say it was "excessive force," when all of the "force" after the first round didn't do anything but add weight to a dead body? You don't even know if the first round killed him. Shit, you don't even know if the eighth round killed him. What if the 9th round fired was the money shot? Get the fuck over it, everyone. He's dead and nobody gives a fuck except for whiny piece of shit kids on the internet. Fuck.
 
This so wrong and you know it...

The shit that happened on that streetcar is horrifying. This isn't a fucking sherlock holmes case you nipwit. Heres what went down:

Knife wielding teenager + police = death
 
But then your tax dollars would be wasted on this kid instead of going towards something like infrastructure or Harper's pocket.
 
That's way too broad a statement to be made. While this may be technically true, it is simply not realistic to say/believe that.
 
Step dad is a seattle homicide detective who shot a crazy fuck recently that attacked him and tried to take his piece. I asked him why not just shoot in the leg or something, he said they are trained that if you are put in a situation where you have to use your weapon they always shoot to kill. Makes sense because even after he popped the dude point blank in the chest he was still attempting to take his weapon and kill him. The second shot finished the job. Bottom line though, if you have a weapon and a cop with a gun pointed at you says drop it repeatedly, fuckin drop it or you WILL get blasted. Seemed a bit excessive though in this case. Still, not surprised the kid got smoked.
 
When you are dealing with the police, technicalities are important. According to the law the difference between a 17 year old and 18 year old is a big deal.
 
i think north american law systems play a part in this policy.

a european policeman would never have to defend himself in court for physical damages induced via a shot in the leg.
 
agree

over here police almost never use guns, in fact they only shot one person in the whole of 2011. the man was armed with a knive and ha killed one person, threatning to kill more, the police saw it neccesary to shoot after failed attempts with usage of pepperspray and a warning shot. the man was shot in the thigh and then disarmed. the shot was non-lethal.
 
yeah i know. it's just a shame that they're stuck looking at things like everything is only black or white. because it's not - grey exists.
 
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