Torn ACL has me rethinking my bindings

[Surfboard]

So after swearing by my Jesters for years, I tore my ACL due to the lack of a forward release. I've been looking at the Fks/Pivot as a possible preventative solution and I'm just wondering whether the 140 or 180 would be more safe/successful at preventing future injury, knock on wood.

FYI: I'm 5'11 185 lbs very aggressive (also a racer) and would be using these for both of my setups (park: These and Slats, and my patrons)

Thanks for any help

 

[shin-bang]

honestly i would go for the 18s, but ride at your normal din. the 18 has a metal toe compared to teh 14s plastic toe. so if youre willing to sacrifice some weight for durability i would go with the 18s, just by how much you weigh and your aggressiveness

 

[.lencon]

Look at the STH as well. It has more elasticity and more adjustment in pretty much all areas compared to FKS making it a bit safer.

 

[grifrowl]

Find 155s.

 

[HuckNorris44]

Knee Bindings

AH.......just kidding, they're a fucking joke.

 

[Surfboard]

honestly i would go for the 18s, but ride at your normal din. the 18 has a metal toe compared to teh 14s plastic toe. so if youre willing to sacrifice some weight for durability i would go with the 18s, just by how much you weigh and your aggressiveness

Look at the STH as well. It has more elasticity and more adjustment in pretty much all areas compared to FKS making it a bit safer.

Weight isn't an issue with me, I'm just a little worried about being on the lower end of that din range, especially for park. And I'll look into the STH, but I have a coach who tore his ACL on Sollys ( a little unsettling)

 

[.lencon]

Weight isn't an issue with me, I'm just a little worried about being on the lower end of that din range, especially for park. And I'll look into the STH, but I have a coach who tore his ACL on Sollys ( a little unsettling)

B Gillis is right. Also there's a lot of Salomon binders out there so it might nit have been sth in the first place.

 

[Surfboard]

B Gillis is right. Also there's a lot of Salomon binders out there so it might nit have been sth in the first place.

It was an STH 16, while I know your statement is true, He had over four injuries all on sollys... I'm just a little more confident in the time tested design of the FKS which seems to be reliable... My original question was 14 or 18 anyways. Thanks for the info tho

 

[.lencon]

It was an STH 16, while I know your statement is true, He had over four injuries all on sollys... I'm just a little more confident in the time tested design of the FKS which seems to be reliable... My original question was 14 or 18 anyways. Thanks for the info tho

Alright man, didn't know that. Confidence is a huge part of injury so if the fks make you feel safe then go for them. I guess go fks 18

 

[Surfboard]

Alright man, didn't know that. Confidence is a huge part of injury so if the fks make you feel safe then go for them. I guess go fks 18

thanks m8, can anyone tell me of any risks of riding at the lower end of the din range on an 18 (like an 8 or 9)?

 

[Caucasian_Asian]

Weight isn't an issue with me, I'm just a little worried about being on the lower end of that din range, especially for park. And I'll look into the STH, but I have a coach who tore his ACL on Sollys ( a little unsettling)

I toasted my ACL on a pair of ninja 916s. Any other alpine binding and I would have still blown my knee.

Salomon 916s are the alpine binding I trust the most, period. I own 12 pairs of them.

 

[BlackcountryBill]

thanks m8, can anyone tell me of any risks of riding at the lower end of the din range on an 18 (like an 8 or 9)?

There is absolutely no problem with riding a binding at the bottom of its din range. Those numbers are cheeked and certified to release as specified. Riding those bindings at 8 is perfect if you want to.

 

[grifrowl]

thanks m8, can anyone tell me of any risks of riding at the lower end of the din range on an 18 (like an 8 or 9)?

None. Just make sure the shop actually tests the release torque values, as the resolution gets smaller down low.

If you want lower then 8 din try to find some 155s.

 

[Surfboard]

None. Just make sure the shop actually tests the release torque values, as the resolution gets smaller down low.

If you want lower then 8 din try to find some 155s.

Thanks, and 8.5 or 9 is what I usually ride so I think I'll go 180 just because of the metal toe piece

 

[Pac2]

To be honest with you you can tear your acl with any binding idc what they tell you but thankfully, some do help this issue. If you're an aggressive skier don't get the knee binding. I have Rossi fks 140s and they are amazing I swear sometimes if I didn't have them my knees would have gotten fucked. I've never felt torque on my knees ever from this binding and it really releases when it needs too. So I would go with Rossi or pivot whether you choose the 140 180 r whatever just make sure you have it set on the proper din because your din setting is what will greatly increase or decrease injury so I'd just make sure you have the proper din to be honest.

 

[TOAST.]

Knee Bindings

AH.......just kidding, they're a fucking joke.

Have you used them? I have heard that a few ski teams use them and they love them.

 

[veng_m]

don't get your finger stuck dude

 

[Surfboard]

To be honest with you you can tear your acl with any binding idc what they tell you but thankfully, some do help this issue. If you're an aggressive skier don't get the knee binding. I have Rossi fks 140s and they are amazing I swear sometimes if I didn't have them my knees would have gotten fucked. I've never felt torque on my knees ever from this binding and it really releases when it needs too. So I would go with Rossi or pivot whether you choose the 140 180 r whatever just make sure you have it set on the proper din because your din setting is what will greatly increase or decrease injury so I'd just make sure you have the proper din to be honest.

Read the thread befor you post, but yeah the whole no torque on my knee is pretty much what I'm looking for.

 

[Surfboard]

don't get your finger stuck dude

Yeah I've heard haha

 

[kemosabe]

fks is the way to go, definitly get the 18 din youre a big dude

also the if you have the rossi slat then you have to get the orange fks, its just a must do ya know

 

[Lucas]

Weight isn't an issue with me, I'm just a little worried about being on the lower end of that din range, especially for park. And I'll look into the STH, but I have a coach who tore his ACL on Sollys ( a little unsettling)

You can tear your ACL on any binding. Also, being at the lower, or upper end of the din range isn't a bad thing, its a common myth that was probably made by some shop dude trying to sell the more expensive binding.

 

[Surfboard]

fks is the way to go, definitly get the 18 din youre a big dude

also the if you have the rossi slat then you have to get the orange fks, its just a must do ya know

yeah totally, Slats are for next season... Was going to just remount the jesters but I just can't trust them after this. The orange on orange would be sexy but I'll just go with pivots if I can find a better deal.

 

[Surfboard]

You can tear your ACL on any binding. Also, being at the lower, or upper end of the din range isn't a bad thing, its a common myth that was probably made by some shop dude trying to sell the more expensive binding.

And yeah I know that, I thought my Jesters were super safe but then this happened... I'm really just looking at the Fks because of the more consistant release and vertical

 

[Session]

You're a fucking retard if you think any binding will make a difference. Mechanically your ligaments will go before any binding acts in any "preventative" manner. You should delete this thread before it convinces any more fucking dummies that ant bindings are safer.

 

[BenWhit]

I'm 6'2", 215 and ride FKS 120s with no issue. If you wanna drop bills on the 18s, go for it, but they were worth my $

 

[ghosthop]

You're a fucking retard if you think any binding will make a difference. Mechanically your ligaments will go before any binding acts in any "preventative" manner. You should delete this thread before it convinces any more fucking dummies that ant bindings are safer.

Lower your din or expect knee injuries. Its not the arrow.

 

[dbchili]

You do not need 18's at all

Why on earth would you go for a high din binding when you're trying to avoid knee injuries?

You shouldn't really ride bindings at the very low end of a din setting, therefore the lowest you could ride the 18's at logistically is 9 or 10 (given the range starts at 8).

I'm 6'1, about 200. I've been riding fks 14's at a din of 9 for about 10 years now (i have 5 pairs at present) and they've always been good to me. The din setting never releases when it shouldn't, and never stays on too long. You should know what din is appropriate for you, and then buy a binding where that din is in the middle of the range, best way to judge if the binding is appropriate.

People buy 18's for the most part because they're trying to tell themselves they're good enough to need them. If you're honest with yourself, you'll buy 14's. If you're trying to tell yourself you're on a level you're not and would like another knee injury, you'll buy 18's and ride a din past what is appropriate for you.

 

[BlackcountryBill]

You shouldn't really ride bindings at the very low end of a din setting, therefore the lowest you could ride the 18's at logistically is 9 or 10 (given the range starts at 8).

Where are you getting this misinformation? In order to have that number 8 on the binding they have to undergo stringent TUV and ISO tests confirming that they release properly inside the presumably, very tight, tolerances stated by the DIN standard.

I can post the DIN standard to confirm this if you really want but I doubt you can be bothered to read that.

Stop selling misinformation please.

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Nothing wrong with the 18s as long as you normally ride at DIN 8 or higher. I much prefer the way the metal toe releases, however I'm light so have to search for old 155 toes.

Good luck bro!

 

[s-hand]

Getting FKSs will not make your knees any safer than another standard binding on the market. They all (with the single exception of Knee binding) abide by the exact same standards as far as release is concerned. People on this site seem to think that without fail, FKSs are safer than other bindings. Sure they offer a higher level of elasticity which allows you to ride at your proper din setting without fear of prerelease. However, current bindings are designed to prevent you from breaking your let, NOT to prevent ACL tears. There are two major "injury mechanisms," as they are called, that can lead to ACl tears.

1)The phantom foot. This is when, in the midst of a crash, forces act on the area of the ski behind the binding heelpiece. In the general case, a skier falls backward and catches an edge as he puts all his weight on the inside of the downhill ski. This causes a moment to act at the heelpiece, but since there is no lateral release mechanism there, the ski cannot release, and the forces "travel" (for lack of a better way to explain it) up your leg to the next easiest way to diffuse the force: your knee ligaments.

2) Anterior drawer. Usually occurs when a skier lands super backseat off a jump. As he lands, his legs straighten out instinctively, resulting in a landing on the tail of his ski. The ski, in combination with the stiff boot, causes a moment about the axis in line with the lower leg. Since most bindings have no way to sense this kind of force, the binding will not release, or will release too late. The force pushes the tibia forward in relation to the femur which tears the ACL.

Skiing FKSs, or ANY other "regular" binding on the market for that matter, simply is not designed to react properly to the types of forces involved in ACL tears. It is a very common misnomer that bindings are designed to save your knees. They are not. Not FKSs, not Markers, not STHs, not any other standard binding. The design intent is purely to prevent lower leg fractures. So sure, using FKSs will potentially be a little safer in terms of less risk of broken bones, it will do nothing to reduce risk of an ACL tear. Unfortunately, the only solution out right now to combat this type of injury by reacting to the ACL tear injury mechanism forces is the Knee binding.

 

[Surfboard]

Getting FKSs will not make your knees any safer than another standard binding on the market. They all (with the single exception of Knee binding) abide by the exact same standards as far as release is concerned. People on this site seem to think that without fail, FKSs are safer than other bindings. Sure they offer a higher level of elasticity which allows you to ride at your proper din setting without fear of prerelease. However, current bindings are designed to prevent you from breaking your let, NOT to prevent ACL tears. There are two major "injury mechanisms," as they are called, that can lead to ACl tears.

1)The phantom foot. This is when, in the midst of a crash, forces act on the area of the ski behind the binding heelpiece. In the general case, a skier falls backward and catches an edge as he puts all his weight on the inside of the downhill ski. This causes a moment to act at the heelpiece, but since there is no lateral release mechanism there, the ski cannot release, and the forces "travel" (for lack of a better way to explain it) up your leg to the next easiest way to diffuse the force: your knee ligaments.

2) Anterior drawer. Usually occurs when a skier lands super backseat off a jump. As he lands, his legs straighten out instinctively, resulting in a landing on the tail of his ski. The ski, in combination with the stiff boot, causes a moment about the axis in line with the lower leg. Since most bindings have no way to sense this kind of force, the binding will not release, or will release too late. The force pushes the tibia forward in relation to the femur which tears the ACL.

Skiing FKSs, or ANY other "regular" binding on the market for that matter, simply is not designed to react properly to the types of forces involved in ACL tears. It is a very common misnomer that bindings are designed to save your knees. They are not. Not FKSs, not Markers, not STHs, not any other standard binding. The design intent is purely to prevent lower leg fractures. So sure, using FKSs will potentially be a little safer in terms of less risk of broken bones, it will do nothing to reduce risk of an ACL tear. Unfortunately, the only solution out right now to combat this type of injury by reacting to the ACL tear injury mechanism forces is the Knee binding.

How many times do I have to say this... After tearing my ACL on a marker in a situation where there is NO reason they shouldn't have released makes me want to give another one a try! This isn't at all the first time I've injured my knee from the same exact situation happening. From my personal experience, the bindings just don't release in a forward type of fall. All I'm saying is that I'd rather give another binding a try than risk having to go through another surgery and 6-9 months of rehab. Get off your high horse. If you don't like the tread, good for you, leave.

 

[Surfboard]

^^^I meant to quote this^^^

You're a fucking retard if you think any binding will make a difference. Mechanically your ligaments will go before any binding acts in any "preventative" manner. You should delete this thread before it convinces any more fucking dummies that ant bindings are safer.

 

[Surfboard]

And I got 140's Btw

 

[Park.]

I have never seen an 18 release vertically... I own pair and don't see how it would happen. I'm pretty sure 14s are the highest din for fks/picot that have vertical release.

If anyone knows for sure, enlighten me.

Also to OP you will be stoked on the 14s but tyrolia 13 din Mojo's have the release you are looking for that prevent acl tears. A better option than knee binding if you fit within the din rangd

 

[Surfboard]

I have never seen an 18 release vertically... I own pair and don't see how it would happen. I'm pretty sure 14s are the highest din for fks/picot that have vertical release.

If anyone knows for sure, enlighten me.

Also to OP you will be stoked on the 14s but tyrolia 13 din Mojo's have the release you are looking for that prevent acl tears. A better option than knee binding if you fit within the din rangd

Thanks, +k, I already bought two pairs of 14's