Tom Wallisch has done a triple.

am i the only one who HATES when people make jokes about "future spins"? its almost as annoying as all the stupid tom wallisch name jokes
 
I honestly am having a hard time deciphering this paragraph. If somebody who's a little bit more educated, possibly with a Harvard degree in old English, could transcode this for me. That'd be great...
 
Tom started doing doubles pretty late compared to all the other pros. So don't be surprised if all of a sudden he becomes the new king of triples.
 
I'll try and break this down Simple English style.

You think that triples are unsafe.

The only way to stop triples is to ban athletes from throwing them.

This strategy won't work. It's been tried before in competition mogul skiing. The mogul circuit banned inverts, and the best athletes left and started their own sport. That new sport is freestyle skiing as we know it today.

Funny anecdote about the invert ban. Shane McConkey got banned from Vail for throwing a naked backflip in a mogul run. He was fed up with trying to play by the rules.

If triples get banned in the X-Games, sooner or later, someone is going to reenact Shane's infamous stunt. People on NS will be happy, because they want to see pro skier penis.

Progression will happen. We can't stop it.

People will get hurt, but they know the risks.

 
This is one of the better threads I've seen in a while with all the debate instead of people bitching
 
I'll be waiting.

I personally don't like triples either, but I think it's better to grudgingly embrace them, than to say they shouldn't be a part of the sport.
 
Damn, you made some good points.

The only problem with jump-size I see is the amount of calculus that will be required to design them. Just because a jump is big does not mean it will kill you. On the contrary, it does mean that you will need some very skilled mathematicians to design the angles.
 
Also, spinning horizontally is much harder on the knees than spinning vertically, its just simple human anatomy.

The problem I foresee is that very few mountains are big enough to build triple jumps.

To the comment about triples being a spectacle sport thing: thats what any sport has to do to stay alive. Look at fruit booting, its dead because everything was already done. Sure we can go back to style as long as spectators think its a new thing, but for now, lets just go big.
 
I agree so much with this way of thinking ! But on the other hand, how can you say "no" to progression ? It sure is sad to see how our sport is becoming a trend but at the end of the day it enables us to have a sick park at my home mountain when 3 or 4 years ago we struggled to convince the resort manager to rearrange the mountain in order to Freestyle a bit. And this scenario is most likely the same every where.I suggest we keep the spirit of freestyle despite all these energy drinks and sponsors who advertise the sport.
 
True, but I don't see adding another flip or adding another 180 as progression. Maybe years back when Switch 7's where winning x games, but not anymore.

Kinda weird seeing tom do triples because he used to be against them. But I guess when The North Face signs your pay check you gotta do what you gotta do.
 
This, from ESPN Freeskiing.

http://espn.go.com/action/freeskiing/blog/_/post/5455567

"I haven't tried a triple yet. I haven't found a jump good enough that I'd like to do one on, and there's still a lot of doubles I want to do first. We only started doing double corks because we'd pretty much done all the single cork tricks. I feel there's no reason to push into triples until we've done all the doubles, and there's still countless doubles left." Tom Wallisch

Since this article was published over a year ago, Tom's has probably exhausted all this double combinations with perfection. Along with that, maybe he found the perfect jump to throw one, and it was time to push himself to try something new. As The North Face says....."Never Stop Exploring"!
 
That's the very definition of progression. Doing something new that other people haven't done yet. It's a gradual increase in difficulty over time.

It sounds like you want to see innovation, which is not the same as progression.

 
This thread is the same as every other triple thread. Some people like them, some people hate them, others don't give a shit. All these threads are the same.
 
I love how some people want the sport to be how it was 5 years ago. R u joking? 5 years ago people wanted the sport how it was 5 years before that. Youre not providing any insight whatsoever by saying the sport isnt "pure."

If you were 18 5 years ago like i was, you wouldve realized if anything, the sport is way more pure these days. This is tom wallisch, a skiier who earned his fame through Level 1's superunknown? Do you remember the day he became famous? I do. And I can tell you it was "super core," definitely a grassroots phenomenon that took place here on NS. Now he is arguably the biggest name in skiing, or at least arguably "the best." I don't know how much more "pure" you want the sport when an undiscovered kid can ascend to stardom through the "underground" community.

On the flipside, 5 years ago (which was 2007), simon dumont was the most famous skiier. That baby blue oakley put out for the 2008 winter was the hawtest thing on the market and Salmon dumonts and giro g10s were super in. Simon also wore his goggles on the outside of this helmet. No one knew what a pretzel was. Jon olsson's kangaroo flip (no offense to jon) was the best thing. Keep in mind jon is a rich, racing oriented skiier sponsored by J Lindeberg and lamborghini. I don't know many people who would consider 5 years ago to be "pure."

If you want the sport to be one way, set out and make your conception of the sport so cool it draws people in. People are rational actors and we live in more or less a free country. If you don't like the sport, you're not going to change it by trying to tell people what they have decided is stupid. You gotta incentivize your version. Make it cooler. Ironically, however, once people like your vision, you have become mainstream, and other idiots will think you are "unpure."
 
I'll find future flips cool with they do a triple cork 14, with a truck driver or true nose grab.

but seriously, Freeskiing is... free.

We do what we want, haha
 
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You think that triples are unsafe.

I do and I don't. So this whole discussion started over Tom Wallisch's triple, now look at the jump he's hitting. How big would you say that the gap is? I say 90 ft, it resembles the Sun Valley L1 jump quite a bit. But it's dangerous, look at LJ, he hit a jump like that, he had ONE bad fall and look where he is now. He can't even walk without assistance.

However, not everyone has access to these jumps, so where do up-and-comers learn triples when they inevitably have become the new standard for competiton?

I'll tell you, right here:

When KIDS have to push themselves on small park jumps to learn a trick as the only entrance to going pro. Excuse me for being worried about the future problems riders will have with their body's.

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This strategy won't work.

Not much I can say about this. Something new will always be waiting to take the reigns just as all great things have. Freesking will always be there, it's essence might change, but it will always be there.

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Progression will happen. We can't stop it.

People will get hurt, but they know the risks.

Once again I agree, nothing we can do will change minds. But that's not what I set to do here, I'm just sharing my beliefs.

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@jumister5889

I love how some people want the sport to be how it was 5 years ago. R u joking? 5 years ago people wanted the sport how it was 5 years before that. Youre not providing any insight whatsoever by saying the sport isnt "pure."

I'm going to be honest, I definitely do not have the best insight on skiing 5 years ago, because truthfully, I'm pretty young. However that's not going to stop me from arguing my point. I don't think anything can ever be pure once the general public gets a hold of it.

Look at Grenade, if you don't know, you might want to read

this interview:

http://www.yobeat.com/2012/02/22/matt-kasss-hump-day/

That might not be skiing, but it's a perfect example of how money can and eventually will corrupt anything great. I'm worried things like that might happen with Skiing. 5 years ago, anything was cool. It didn't matter what skis you had, or what helmet or goggles. Now a days, kids my age wouldn't be caught dead with anything but Oakleys, Dragons, or Spys. I've had this conversation with quite a number of kids.

Me: K2 makes a pretty good ski

Friend: Dude K2 is fucking gay

Me: Why?

Friend: It just is...

Things like that make me hate people. Why does it matter?

That might be more of a general hippie idea, but it's something I thought I'd include.

Anyways, I'm just saying I don't want to have such absurd amounts of money that it will attract the type of people who steal companies and ruin lives. Think of that like the creation of Facebook.

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If you want the sport to be one way, set out and make your conception of the sport so cool it draws people in.

This will happen with everything, not much can be said I suppose. Something new will always be there to push out the old.
 
Yeah well as I said, freesking is becoming a trend, no more passion, no more of all that, the aim is to look good, have the skis of whatever pro skier to basically show off.After lengt and width, the next criteria is the look of the ski.

What I hate above all is to see kids, 12/ 13 years old with jester 13's or 16's with the cool colors and all I think is "dude, wait and see... bindings are no joke !". Let me add that I very rarely see them on jump, I mean JUMPS !
 
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