Tobacco in skiing

Why be against it; its a choice no one forces people to smoke cigs, I in my self did not start smoking because I saw a peer doing it, or someone I looked up to. No one made me. Those adds, no one is making younger kids go "OH ITS SO COOL TO FUCKING SMOKE" Its been in this worlds culture for how long you think your going to say what hasn't been said? People want to kill themselves with cancer, people want to kill their liver? Let them they will learn their lesson in the end and maybe pass on the message when they actually learn it themselves.
 
lol i love how some ppl are acting as if its impossible to resist the urge to start smoking. Look at all the people out there, who have grown up when cigarette companies were allowed to advertize as much as they wanted, and yet still do not smoke (I being one of them). If it is possible for those people to not start smoking after all that shit, why would it be impossible for a few kids who saw one day that a few things/people in the ski industry are sponsored by a tobacco company? Get real people, it's really not a big deal if they sponsor this shit.
 
Ok it isn't about looking at it and being like "OHHHH SICKKKK, PETE OLENIK CHEWS, I'M GONNA TOO!!!"

You look at professional athletes thinking, this person has their shit together, they probably keep it real mellow as far as drugs and alc go. Like B- Brown for example, Look at this kid see what he can do, and think there is no way in hell that kid can do anything but work out and ski, if I saw him tokin a doobie, I would think well fuck I guess it doesn't really matter gettin ripped and goin skiing.

Obviously it's ignorant to think that pretty much anyone in extreme sports is straight edge, but when your a little kid you have that impression, just because you don't know any better, then to see someone like Olenik not only doing it, but advertising it as awesome. It is like ok well i guess they are just people, not the athlete gods we deem them as. Seems like it would be almost a hinderance to the sport.

And that bullshit about "a drug is a drug." This makes me laugh, tob is so chemically enhanced your not even smoking a plant, you get cancer from the chemicals not necessarily the smoke. Smoke is bad in general from weed, tob, crack, but some forms are definitly worse then others.

A drug is a drug, marijuana= heroine?

I think this is the first time the people who know what their talking about are retards, and the 14 year old tomtitutes are on the money
 
Kids give into advertising more than adults to. This site is full of kids. Skiing is full of kids. Tobacco kills kids. Lets kill tobacco.
 
statistically skiing has way more people over the age of 18, so they are not marketing to kids, kids just happen to see an adult ad. does it matter if this site is mostly underage? sense there are no tabacco ads on here. and think about it, if tabacco was made ilegal, think how much our economy would suffer. the government makes a ton of money of the always rising tax and tabacco and liquor
 
Okay well i'm 18; super soaker commercials were huge back in the day I didn't get one. Miller commercials were all over and budweiser, Didn't ever try either because of the ads. When you were young, what did you give into just because you saw it advertised? How many things did you buy because of the items themselves and not care about the commercials.

You watch an add, it shows you an item; you don't give a shit

You go to a store and see a quality item, then see a commercial for it, you don't give a shit.

 
pot is illegal because it alters your state, tobacco does not. alcohol can be tested immediately to see if you're drunk just by exhaling. to test positive for marijuana you need to do a blood test which takes time and costs money. i think that's simple enough to keep it illegal. i don't care really if people want to use drugs or whatever, the problem is containment. it's hard because there's always at least one person who abuses everything and ruins the fun for everyone else. and that percentage is way to high for any government to want to risk lives and taxes on even if it were 5%. that is why drinking and driving is illegal.
tobacco used to be glorified in all advertisements until about the later 1980s or early 1990s when the health craze/trend started. richard simmons, jenny craig, leg warmers and head bands, aerobics. all that stuff became popular then, and advertising smoking became illegal or discouraged in places.(i'm not sure on the exact rules behind it.) and then, we found out of the poisons and toxins in tobacco, and all the negative health risks as well. tobacco sold 100 years ago was probably a lot healthier than it is right now.
yes most teens smoke because their peers do it, or because they were pressured, or because it was what the older cool kids too. it's really easy to disregard that children actually do mimmic adults. m parents are smokers, and i used to pretend i was smoking all the time when i was a kid and i thought likely that i was sexier or more sophisticated because a lot of that was representation i got through tv and cinema. smoking and drinking and dressing premiscuously or growing your first beard and whatever guys do, swear and fight, makes you feel more adult, when in fact, i've learned now as an adult, that i look at these kids and think of what a fucking loser i was trying to impress people twice my age.
cool kids are the kids who are carefree, laugh all the time and are super down to earth, not the kids in real life and on this site who push people around, and try to act tough and tell people off to impress their friends. just be yourself and people will like you for who you are. all that cheesy shit is true. but you know, i gotta admit, if you all stopped being wankers, klazo and others would have no one to troll.
besides, smokings expensive as shit. you look at spending like 10$-50$ a week, depending on where you live and what the extent of your habit is. add that up annually, and that's a down payment on a sick car or something like a wii.
anyways.
 
you have never smoked a cig before then. dont even get started on pot being illegal, i and i'm sure a large portion of the people on here can go for days with why its the worst law that has ever been established
 
well that's fine, but if you read my statement, it makes perfect sense and i clearly say i have no problems with people who smoke pot.
 
UM..... well, uh..... yyyyyeeeeeaaaaahhhhhhhhh.......

I got stumbling almost drunk-state from smoking a very VERY packed bowl of shisha in my hookah....
 
i have passed out from smoking to much hookah, hell my friend has a video of me just standing up randomly, walking to the bathroom and falling asleep on the toilet, and i dont remember doing that.

and let me clear one thing up, sense i have gotten a few PMs bitching to me about what i've been saying.

DO I SUPPORT TABACCO IT SELF? NO, DO I SUPPORT THE MONEY IT GENERATES FOR OUR SPORT AND ECONOMY, YES

our world revolves around money, tabacco generates a lot of that, that is why its still legal, that is why they run ads in magazines, that is why its one of the largest crops produced on earth. if you dont like money, then go live in the forest in montana, if you do, get use to ads for very unhealthy products
 
Who cares if kids see tobacco ads in freeskier, they'll eventually see one of these adds and they'll think twice about smoking.

 
i know you might be tempted not to take this seriously, but please look at it logically. supposed heroin was legal and i ran an ad for it in a magazine, and supported our sport with heroin, would you still agree? i have a feeling you'll say yes...but anyways. should a life threatening drug support sports? absolutely not. because they're generating thousands and thousands of dollars elsewhere, and so losing that ad campaign, though possibly the biggest isn't a big deal to me simply because message over $$$ is more important to me, personally. selling out to the corporate world for an extra buck at the expensive of your athletes is just as bad as going to war for religion. the world would function without any problems with ethical business.
 
Had someone offered you a chance to squirt a super soaker or try Miller would you have? The difference is that Super Soakers are not addictive and generally don't kill you...your example is contrived and still not well conceived.
 
I smoked hookah one day with some friends 2 years ago for about 6 straight hours. I went to take a shower and I could SMELL it coming out of my pores.
 
hate to brake it you you, bet heroin was legal for a long fucking time, and ads were ran for it. to answer your question tho, would i support it, no, but i would support the money from it. ads are ads, they are not forcing you or anyone else to buy/use their product, people need to stp being robots and think for them self. when i'm walking down the street and see an american spirit sign on a gas station, i dont say "oh i could really go for a cig right now" because I am able to think for my self. advertising is one of the largest industries in our world, it will neer go away. if people dont like the ad, then:

A. dont look at it

B. read a different magazine

C. don't read any

D. accept that they are not going anywhere and just get use to it

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Let's try to condense some this, shall we?

The actual effects that this has for skiing, by itself, are relatively minimal. Are these companies sponsoring fun events? Nope. Are these companies making the average experience of a skier better by their presence in the sport? Nope. From the standpoint of "what is this company doing for the sport" tobacco companies fail as badly as any other brand that just wants to sell product to skiers but lacks a real interest or real benefit to us as skiers.

My tax dollars go to fund medical treatment for smokers through Medicare and Medicaid. Taking care of people who suffer from smoking raises insurance and medical rates because the insurers and medical facilities must make up the difference from those who can fully pay and those who cannot. The statement that I "shouldn't care" is bogus. If you want to smoke, that's fine with me, but I'd appreciate it if you could pick up a bit more of the tab when you eventually do get sick. Part of taking full responsibility for one's actions is to recognize how others will be affected, and smoking is not an independent act because of the eventual health costs. A smoker isn't just responsible to themselves, but to the people that will eventually pay to take care of them.

Somewhere in the excitement about actually getting paid real money to ski, many pros in this sport have forgotten about holding any sort of morality about who pays them. There is a difference between just signing contracts and getting a check and actually believing in the mission of a company and its involvement in skiing. As skiers, we should support people who care about us beyond the dollars we'll spend on their product; as professionals they should care about representing companies that are actively involved in the sport. Money is no excuse to sacrifice the power of the skiing experience or lifestyle, and when professionals and regular skiers alike sign with or choose a brand, they should care about that.
 
What if you put acid in the super soaker...... what if instead of cigs giving people cancer it had been super soakers all along DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

I was talking more of adds influencing people instead of the fact cigs kill people.
 
i was waiting for you to chime in on this david, and once again you present a very intelectual point.
 
I have nothing to add other than that I find it incredibly humorous that some of you think that what an athlete drinks or wears has no bearing on kids choices. If that was the case, there would be ZERO sponsorships.
 
That's what my old high school teachers taught us.....At college someone tried debating me with this, All i had to do was say Africa and I won the debate.
 
hate to brake it to you, but ads in a magazine for a full page pay from between 10 grand to 40 grand a month, which probably pays for the entire monthly prints of the entire magazine. the likeliness of non fat cats reaping the benefits of this money is probably very unlikely. on top of it, losing 10 grand isn't a big deal when you likely see only a dollar of it after the moneys been distributed to everyone who gets paid off of it.
the majority of people don't think for themselves, but also like the majority of advertisements don't work on our generation. it still doesn't change the fact that advertising smoking to a sport which children do is immoral. i know of all the benefits, financial gain, and eccetera and i don't care. as far as i can tell, bayer was offering medicinal heroin, as a pain killer, but i don't think nicotine is medicinal in any form. so thanks for pointing out absolutely nothing.
 
The argument is not on the minimal effect that advertising has had on you personally, but rather the product that is being marketed to a generation that is easily influenced by the media. The evidence you used in your original argument is too narrow to be applicable and it doesn't actually support the general argument in this message board, which I already touched on above.
 
also, on the note of tobacco ads not going anywhere:
tobacco ads are not prohibited in canada, but are restricted by law. i've never really seen one since i was a child. our cigarettes are hidden now at the store by little doors, and they're not allowed to be seen in full view. i believe no tobacco products are allowed to be in full view, maybe except a lighter. anything tobacco related where i live, is pretty much nicorette or anti tobacco ads. no one on biilboards or magazines smoke either....sooo.
 
Thats insaine in Idaho I've seen them just on the counter for discount prices! I bet there is a lot less tabaco use their since I would guess people would just sort of more forget about it? I'm going to go look at ratios and comparissins.
 
it's relatively new all this. its only been in the past like 5 years that we can't smoke in bars, and then this past year that everything is hidden
 
I smoke cigs, not because I need them just because I enjoy them. I would just forget about them I bet if i didn't have eye contact with them. Thats a good way to keep the tabaco use down would def affect me (sorry for all my crude spelling just relized there is no spell check and I just thought I had been spelling really well)
 
LOL. i think the key to quitting anything is focusing on what you don't like about it. i miss smoking all the time, but once i taste it i wanna vomit. so i don't.
 
I could be wrong, but I think the largest word I used in that whole thing was "advertising" which is 11 letters and 4 syllables long
 
This is sorta relevant to the posts on the page before I guess.....but....my great grandfather rolled his own cigs every day of his life from when he was about 15, and he drank every day, and not beer, usually whiskey, or other forms of dark alcohol (and no he didn't get drunk every day, just enjoyed the taste) and he lived to be over 100. so for about 85 years he smoked and drank everyday, and died mainly from old age, not anything to do with liver or lungs. And his brother did the same thing, except died in his late 90's, and his sister, is still alive today, in her 90s.......
Now on the opposite side of the argument, my stepgrandfather on the other side of the family died before he reached 65 because he smoked from 18-50, and then quit.........
Is it genetics? I dont know.....
 
True I quit smoking on and off for usually a month, kind of like weed. I just like being able to quit when I want. Seeing people smoke a pack a day or half a pack is disgusting. it takes like 45 minutes for your body to clean it out of your system and when your just injurying your body over and over and over every 30 minutes your not going to be able to fuckin breath! Cigs are crazy, 12 minutes of a buzz 45 to be clean, weakest drug ever :D
 
it's a bunch of factors composed that would probably keep you alive longer. your grandfather sounds like he understood moderation and how to live a healthy life. and genetics.
 
Yea, he worked on a farm until he was in his 90s....(that was my great grand father)As for my grandfather, he works 364 and a half days a year, and is in his 70s, but looks like hes 50......and he drinks beer every night at a bar, but is very healthy......If it is also genetics, hopefully I take after!
 
Well If i can remeber correctly they slow the blood flow in your body, which means less oxygen to needed places such as the brain or something like this and it makes you feel relaxed almost like your getting pushed into relaxing. Its not a like a oh my god i'm drunk buzz more of, well that feels nice
 
Haha yea.......bringing up a Psychology term.......damn i hated that class haha.....I personally don't have a view on cigs, except I personally don't like them because I have asthma, and it only acts up with cigarette smoke.......Basically that causes me to hate them like my younger bro with allergies hating goldenrod lol
 
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