To all the people who say islam is a dangerous religion:

My dad went to both and said they both sucked ball nuggets. The people are ok (he said in India a lot of people were pretentious assholes) and that in general the heat is fucking annoying.
 
I don't know if you've ever seen the Russel Peters bit on it, but basically. The entire country smells like SHIT. You get off the plane, and a giant wafting of human SHIT occurs. The entire fucking country of India smells like SHIT!
 
That happens in Canada and the US as well...

We also have sprawled out cities, pollute like no other, and use incredibly disproportionate amounts of energy, etc.

The point being, that any and every country throughout the world consists of both good and bad things. Some more than others. However, there is at least enough good in every single country to make it worth visiting or makes that country, at the very least, worth acknowledging.

Just because the way life is lived in said countries is different from ours doesn't inherently make them bad.

This is especially true when all you know about them comes from the media or even through someone else's experiences. Thus, the only way you can truly find out about how things really are or aren't is by going there and seeing for yourself. That in itself, makes every country worth visiting.
 
You come across as being incredibly arrogant and condescending in pretty much every post you make. What is your problem exactly? You seem completely at odds with this community, yet you're prolific in your posting...are you perpetually bored, or do you get off on attempting to verbally spar with stoner, jocky teenagers?

Just stop. You're not half as smart as you believe, and your pretentious bullshit is nauseating.
 
Yeah, US and Canada pump sewage into the bay and ocean. Sewage that has been treated and cleaned and though you wouldn't want to drink it it wouldn't give you a disease. This is raw straight from the fucking toilet sewage getting put in the Ganges River and 2 miles downstream some lady is washing her clothes and dinner in the same river.
 
Yeah, my dad said he can remember the "Tower of Silence" where they place bodies and let the Ravens eat them.
 
haha dude get off your horse. you're just some white kid from canada. there are a lot of FUCKED UP countries that even your hippy ass ain't going to. You're not going to Sudan. Sudan is a piece of shit country, quit acting like its worth visiting. You only would go there to document people suffering.
You're not going to Iraq. you're not going to Somalia. You wouldn't even make it in relatively stable cities in africa unless you stuck to the safe tourist spots. Try going to Nigeria or Liberia or the Congo and see how you make out. Shit why not go check out Juarez. It's close and I hear its the bomb right now!
 
Texas eh. Well I guess I should give you credit for even knowing where Canada is.

I do love meeting people like you when traveling though, except that it never happens. (Make me eat my words... because you wouldn't have said anything in the first place if this were otherwise.)

Secondly, I am indeed white, but I fail to see how this has much to do with anything. I'm also Canadian, but again. I am, however, not a kid. I wish I were though, because being a kid is awesome. Kids tend not to be blatantly moronic, so I guess the question is where would one place you?

Again, I'm going to go ahead and assume you've been to Iraq, Somalia, Nigeria, Liberia, and the Congo. You actually know just how dangerous it is there, and how much they just want to kill everyone because they are savages. Incidentally, I don't know why you did go there anyway, as you can get this same experience right in your own backyard: Detroit, Memphis, Stockton.

This is obviously a slight exageration, but I'm playing your game. It's not about me riding a horse, even if it were a high one. It's about the fact that you are sitting there, pretending you understand the situation and actually know what is going on in these countries, and that they are subsequently "shit" countries. We all know that Sudan hasn't had it easy lately, but I doubt that everyone there is contributing to make it as such [your claim.]

I've been to more countries than you can probably point out on a map, and no I have not been to any of the above mentioned ones, but I do know "white" people that have - for touristic reasons- Iraq and Nigeria. They weren't Canadian though, so you instantly have a point. I have, however, wandered through the middle of Jakarta, Cairo, Bangkok, Damascus, Ho Chi Minh etc. Look, I'm still alive! I've felt the least safe in Barcelona - but that's anecdotal.

I would have already gone to Sudan, but time didn't allow it, but I could almost see it.

I hope to hit up Namibia, Zambia and Tanzania on my next trip.

Yet all this is moot. You've proven pretty quickly that you really haven't an actual clue about anything outside of your little world or the one you've built for yourself. The point I've been trying to make all along is that in the majority of cases, this is completely not true.

It's always a pleasant surprise when you end up at that destination, have even a bit of an open mind and see what's really going on there.

Wait, not true. LA is as terrible as I had envisioned it. A bunch of shitty freeways, pompous rich wanna-bes and an embodiment of everything (or damn near) that is wrong with NA. Or should I reserve that for Houston?

And Juarez really isn't that close to me.

(Sorry non-retarded Texans.)

 
No, we also do. Less and less so, but a good example would be Victoria. Not to say what is going on in India isn't crazy.

 
hahaha
did you just compare Iraq and Sudan to Stockton?
well aren't you just the culturally enlightened white person. if you've really got balls walk the slums of juarez, gringo, like he said.
 
I think people just need to be more understanding. There's a VERY good reason that hate and violence exists in these places. A lot of those people have it extremely rough and are VERY pissed off about it. I would be too...
I would bet dollars to doughnuts that if there was a way to fix all of the poverty and injustice and disproportioned amounts of resources in these places. The extremists would probably be keen on putting down the guns and improvised explosive devices. They'd practice islam differently too. The people aren't bad, its just the situation that some of them are in gets a violent reaction, and it makes sense that it does.
 
"Look at this shit, how come we can't ever invade a cool country, like chicks in bikinis, you know, how come counties like that don't ever need Marines, I'll tell you why, it's lack of pussy that fucks countries up, lack of pussy is the root fucking cause of all global instability, if more hajis were getting quality pussy, there'd be no reason for us to come over and fuck em up like this, cause a nutbusting haji, is a happy haji."

"Yeah, yeah, you should quote me on it, you know what, you should definitely quote me on it, this whole thing comes down to pussy! Look, if you take the Republican Guard and comp their asses for a week in Vegas, no fucking war!"

"No, in the opinion of this Marine, its about pussy."

"No, Saddam is just part of the problem, if Saddam invested more in the pussy infrastructure of Iraq than he did in his fucking gay ass army, then this country would be no more fucked up than say, Mexico."

I agree Cpl. Josh Ray Person on this one. Lack of getting their rocks off is messing them up.
 
You're awfully judgemental of Texans and Americans for someone so worldly. I'll just set the record straight and say that I'm from Colorado and live in Texas. Take from that what you will. It wasn't clear if you've even been to Texas.
Your post is a bit all over the place. I'm pretty sure I would call you out on your haughty attitude if I met you in real life. And no I've never been to those countries, why the fuck would I want to do that? To see people suffering and take a couple photos and pretend I did something to change it? That's a culturally enriching experience? Is the only requirement for a successful visit to a country that you don't DIE? That's setting a pretty low bar.
And what is there to understand about the situation? People living on a thimble of rice a day, shitting in their drinking water, and dying of disease before they hit 30? Is that everyone, no, of course not. But your vaccinated ass strolling in there throwing a couple loonies and toonies around and snapping a couple photos doesn't mean you understand what life is like there either. You are just an observer, albeit at a closer vantage point than most . You're a temporary visitor. You're not living the lives of those people, so it's easy for you to say that country has merits worth visiting.
If you are actually going to these countries and volunteering and doing some good in the world then forgive me. If that were the case you'd have my respect. But it just sounds like you are a tourist with some strange holistic view of the world since you visited a couple cities where people still shit in the middle of the street and managed to walk out unscathed.
 
you hardly said the same thing. you included countries like Turkey. Clearly you have little idea what's going on in the world.
 
i don't know where you starbuck-sipping liberal nut jobs are getting your god damn percentages, but last time i checked about 75% of them towel heads are AK-totting terrorizers.

and to think most of you fucking left wingers want to take our guns away. just wait until they float over here to our great country on their magical carpets with bombs strapped to their chests. then you'll be happy you let me keep my .30-06 and my 12 gauge.
 
A religion is dangerous, it's all fucking retarded and illogical, makes no sense. Muslims, Christians, Jews: all fucking retarded (on the aggregate), and even so, I'd say looking at individual participants in religion, you'd find probably about 95% of them to be unintelligent mind controlled beings who are under some false assumption that when they die they get to go to some nice place, or that they get a bunch of virgins. As an atheist I only need to concern myself with the time I am alive because I'm under no delusions that I'm going anywhere besides an oven and then scattered ashes when I die. Plus, why fuck virgins in "heaven" when you can fuck them on earth?
 
this. and your other post.

"But it just sounds like you are a tourist with some strange holistic view of the world since you visited a couple cities where people still shit in the middle of the street and managed to walk out unscathed."

Definitely sounds like it.

 
Oh a good turn out.

Let's get a few things straight here. First of all, follow the whole thread. Obviously there is no meter or gauge that tells me if you have or haven't, so I won't assume.

Now, this all started when a comment was made, or several, that claimed that some countries are f'ed, shitty and not worth going to or basically shouldn't be acknowledged.

I will reiterate. Every single country is worth going to, even if going to it only then concludes that it isn't worth going to, but please, find that out for yourself or don't argue in favour of that point. Asking "why the fuck would I want to go there," is a piss poor attitude and smacks of arrogance. You may not want to go there, and that is understandable, but then say so respectably.

I've never gone to any of these places to volunteer or in another way directly help the people there. Many of these places do or did, however, largely rely on tourism. The minute Syria was labelled as part of the "Axis of Evil," their tourism industry essentially died. They sure as hell weren't able to understand why. So are they, in fact evil? Nope, but a lot of people depending on tourist dollars got the short end of that.

I would, in fact, counter that going there "throwing a loonie and toonie here and there and snapping a few pictures of people suffering" indeed does help. Or does staying within your own little world doing absolutely nothing somehow help more?

The mere fact a person goes to these places and then is able to impart at least something that they've learned about it to others; in hopes that they subsequently might, at least, open their own mind ever so slightly is doing a heck of a lot more than than spouting armchair world views. It might even give that person the inspiration to go themselves.

So yeah, you can go ahead and call me out for being arrogant, but I could do the same. In fact, until a call out by you (skithebert) I was only presenting another side to an arguement, not childlishly trying to marginalize anyone. Seemingly for what I wrote and am about to reiterate below:

We in north america aren't as good as we sometimes like to think we are. I've already given examples, but in case we didn't all read them, just think of the size of our cities, the exorbitant amounts of energy and resources we use and the amount of subsequent pollution it creates. We are responsible for some of the worst environmental disasters in history and are culprits to why a lot of said "shitty" countries are "shitty" to begin with. Europe is not to be absolved from this, but there is only so much time in a day.

For those of you that had a little trouble reading the part where my comparisons were done with "obviously a slight exageration," I have just rewrote that here for your convenience. Seriously, read a post in its entirety.

My slight at Texas is merely the same thing that was originally done - pretending I know something about somewhere that I've never actually been- and a slightly malicious joke.

Again, for probably the third time, I will make this explicitly clear, I understand that there are countries with some serious, serious issues and problems. We can call them fucked up, or shitty or whatever, but what in many cases are isolated instances, does not a country make. Regardless, shedding light on why these issues are prevelant, whether its just for yourself or for National Geographic is only something that can be helpful; again also a reason in and of itself to visit a country.

Yeah, they are dangerous. They are, however, never as dangerous as they are made to seem. This includes the Government of Canada's precious little travel warnings. Sorry to be so smug about that, but really? Oh never seen that site before... Again, find out for yourself. They've got an astericks beside Malaysia, and China and Thailand...

I for one, choose not to live life in a bubble. I would think as skiers, most could agree. If you want to stay 100% safe, stay at home and watch other people have experiences on T.V.

So you will have to excuse me if I sound arrogant and self-righteous regarding this issue, but I'm merely trying to fight fire with fire. It gets a little disheartening to hear people (specifically in north america) write off other areas of the world as shithole, butt-fuck countries because they see some fear-mongering, sensationalist snippet about them. Or worse yet, and often the case, have never even heard of them so instantly put them in that category.

If anything, we as North Americans should be thankful that we don't have to live there, and not throw it back in their face about how shitty their country is. I have a feeling that the large majority of Sudanese, Somolias, Iraqis etc know things aren't all that wicked at the moment and they'd probably rather have it otherwise.

Lastly, I've actually never "vacinnated my ass" in any of these places. Not something that is actually a good idea, but I'm not a big fan of needles.

Gnarton, I also suggest you go check out Thailand. I don't know why you would think it's the armpit of Asia. Don't be silly, that place is amazing.

Ese - I don't get it: Is a white person incapable of understanding or at least emersing themselves in a culture outside their own? Hm. Was my point ever that I go, or want to go to some of the world's most dangerous places to try and dodge bullets and then prove how manly I am?? No, you're right, that was my point...

Don't get me wrong here fellas, I've never explicitly said that the next thing I'm going to do is jump on a plane and go to Darfur or Mogadishu. I am saying, that until I do, I can't really even begin to say how it is there. It's likely dangerous and overwhelming and very intimidating, but it might also be very rewarding and also might not at all be like what it's made out to be. I for one, feel it's less arrogant and presumptious to wait until that chance comes before I slander them outright. I guess if you feel as if you automatically know better, than we will leave it at that.

 
It's a fair response, though long-winded. I don't have a problem with most of what you said except for this specifically: "Every single country is worth going to, even if going to it only then concludes that it isn't worth going to, but please, find that out for yourself or don't argue in favour of that point"
I think part of the problem is when I'm talking about fucked up countries, I'm pretty much talking specifically about Africa, essentially sub-Saharan Africa. Because let's be honest, for what problems the middle eastern countries have, they have stable governments and are not completely overrun by poverty, disease and rampant corruption like sub-Saharan Africa. Iraq being the exception, but that was directly our fault.
I'm pretty sure you haven't been to these countries I'm referring to and you say that going there and spending money is doing good on them. Well, I would say not necessarily. The problem in these countries is the corruption, where military groups run everything and "police officers" act as armed thugs. An influx of foreign tourists with money is like spilling blood in the water. The regular folks who are poor and starving aren't receiving that tourist money. No, it'll be the armed customs agents, the police officers, the other random "officials" you'll need to pay off to get required documents to let you in the country or through that checkpoint with your possessions intact. The knowledge that more tourists will be arriving only encourages that behavior.
So no, I would disagree that every country is worth visiting. Now I certainly painted a grim picture that is not the way it is everywhere, but this is the reality in many countries. Are you going to die going there? Probably not, but repeated shakedowns are certainly possible if not likely. Having a bunch of tourists with money and little common sense will certainly escalate the danger. It's really like throwing chum in the water.
And are you saying you don't get vaccinated? That seems a bit reckless. Also, many africans countries require a yellow fever vaccination so you'll be getting one if you wanna travel there.
 
I fail to see what you can get as a person from going to Somalia, Sudan, or an area like Chechnya.

Other than finding out one of three things:

1. There is no gov't and everyone is killing everyone.

2. The gov't is killing everyone that isn't the gov't.

3. Or that there are Arabs in Russia that are trying to beat the piss out of Russia so they can become their own country.
 
I know exactly how lucky I am to not be living there since I have a friend that grew up for 10 years in Mogadishu.
 
There is a huge difference between knowing someone who went through something and actually going through it you'r self. My good friends dad fought in the Afghan-Russian war, and still has the AK to show, but I still don't know shit other then what I read in books.
 
probably no one will read this because no one gives a shit, but its a fact that the Qu'ran instructs muslims to exerce violence against infidels. it also says that the order in which instructions are given is crucial i.e: if i tell you to do this but then say otherwise later, the later instruction prevails. all peaceful passages of the Qu'ran are dictated before the violent ones, therefore, any attempt to portray the Qu'ran as a peaceful book are cheating Mohammeds orders.

/what i learned today (from a reliable source, and no, you dont give a shit what it is)
 
My dad fought in Vietnam, he worked on Merchant ships in and around the Persian Gulf, Israel, the Med, and Indonesia and had worked with Muslims for close to 45 years.

So, my opinions on all of this comes from his experiences, my experiences, and that of people I know from those areas. And my friend from Somalia and my other friend from Syria both agree... most Muslims, are fucking idiots.
 
i personally would like to visit the poorer third world countries. ive been to western europe, and thats all fine and dandy. that being said, living the sheltered life i have, i feel the need to see the world though my own eyes. not the media, not my friends or family, mine. until i do so, i plan on giving people i have not met the benefit of the doubt.
 
meh more people have killed in god's name than any other dictator/ evil sonofabitch you can think of combined.

you were saying?
 
this is exactly my point. have you even been fucking stabbed for your shoes? how do you know that happens? did the news tell you?
 
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