Time to let Afghanistan work its shit out on its own?

check the other thread if youre seriously confused. and i am not the guy who calls other idiots or retards without reason. most people would consider that "being mad at someone".
 
Oh that thread. You should have been more specific.

See, I didn't call you a disparaging word for no reason at all as you have portrayed. You can quite clearly see in the thread, that word was applied to you because you were behaving irrationally, making very stupid posts.
 
are you schizophrenic?

and if youre indeed skiierman, oh my fucking god.

if not, youre doing a hell of a job replicating his "style".

all the best dude, its the internet.
 
The issue with Iraq and particularly Afghanistan is that they are both wars of popular opinion. The only way the tide can be turned is by winning the hearts and minds of the people. when you factor in the accidental killing of civilians with airstrikes, PR nightmares like Marines pissing on dead taliban, and the general destruction of a full-blown occupation that pretty much not going to happen. You can build as many schools as you want, but as soon as the teachers are killed or a misguided drone strike kills a kid you just created more enemies than friends.

The US is in the habit of fighting wars based off of things. More technology, more accurate bombs, better armor etc. are great for a conventional fight against an organized front, but when you're fighting a enemy nearly indiscernible from the general population on the battlefront of the mind it's not going to do much good. It worked well in WWII and Desert Storm, which was won due to the unfolding of the US's manufacturing power more than good leadership or strategy, but we saw in vietnam and we see now that it's too simple a plan.

Bottom line is, the popular opinion against the west in many middle-eastern countries is in may ways too fundamental to change so easily. Going over there and dickslapping anyone who gets out of line isn't going to work like it has in the past.
 
more like "thanks for posting something i agree with" 99% is just a bit of a stretch. otherwise i agree. i couldnt give 2 shits about these idiots killing eachother. i also agree that we dont need to play world cop. but that means we also dont need to help out when the rest of the worlds begs us to run the show. posted from mobile lolololll miatakes were made
 
excuse me sir, but i don't think that the crusades or inquisitions were acceptable at all. I am just pointing out the hypocrisy of muslims. If they detest the burning of holy things then why do they engage in it? What gives them some special fucking right to destroy public property and deface our embassies, because some stupid book was burned?

We are living in the 21st century and Islam needs to grow the fuck up. You do realize that some of the most prominent imams and arab political figures still send out death threats to authors like salman rushdie? are you seriously trying to defend this?

I don't need an apology. the people that had their church burned down need an apology, and guess what? Despite the pain, strife, and loss of life that happens when a church is burned to the ground those people who are affected are still civil enough to not take the street and destroy shit.

When 9/11 happened did Americans run to the nearest afghani/Iraqi official/embassy and deface it? Hell fucking no. What about when people are blown up in Europe? You got it! the answer is NO.

Listen, i think christianity has done plenty of fucked up shit and they still do it, and i rant about them as well, but they do not engage in babyish behavior like this. Maybe in the 15th and 16th centuries they did but would you seriously say that hundreds of thousands even millions of christians would take to the streets if a bible was burned? are you out of your mind? Maybe one lone person like the guy in Norway commits a horrible crime in the name of christianity, but he is punished for it and condemned by christians all around the world. Where is the condemnation from the major islamic and arab figures?... still waiting.
 
Didn't a shitload of "muslim-looking" people get the shitty end of the stick for a long time after 9/11? Shops and stores burned down, people beaten up, muslims and arabs told to get the fuck out, threatened with their lives and their families' lives in many places over America?
 
That wasn't my point. Did masses of Americans riot? Did we break diplomatic immunity? Did we kidnap people? Did we kill people (not the war, i mean citizens)? Im sure you know the answer is No.

And in context we are talking about thousands of people being killed vs. a couple books being burned. So, maybe a few people mistreated muslims after 9/11, and they definitely still do, but the two are not comparable at all.

Our government however did some stupid shit, but I'm not going to get into debating that here.

 
there's a bit of difference between crashing planes, destroying buildings, and killing thousands and burning a book, most likely by accident.

I'm not condoning the anti-islam violence, but honestly...Americans didn't partake in widespread violence after September 11.
 
Be as it may, I for one don't accept this whole situation myself, had to point that out.

Burning some random Quo'rans taken from former prisoners as they were suspected of using them for passing on notes and accidentally burning some causing all this rage. It's fucked up, I'm against all organized religion and in somewhat oppressed and backwater civilizations as we are dealing with any "Holy Word" should be wiped out of the common memory.
 
yeah the masses didnt riot. but you could argue that a UNO-certified revenge attack by the US military is a lot more violent then a few people burning flags in a remote country.
 
Didnt participate in widespread violence? I would love to hear your response to the Iraq, and Afghanistan war... unless you want to tell me there, wasnt torture/humiliation in prisons, pissing on bodies, UAV attacks on civilians, bombing of civilians, killing civilians, pilfering, robbery, etc?

Now dont get pissy and say I'm anti-american, because I'm enlisting, but I think its just time to pull the fuck out of afghanistan and iraq, and turn our attention elsewhere.
 
Hey now, the (Catholic) Church has come a long ways since the head-chopping days of lore. While it's atrocious what was done under the name of our Lord at the time, we've since turned vigorously from those ways. I don't not speak for the other factions of Christianity, especially the Hezbollah-like ones.

As for our current mishaps in the church, such as the horrifying sex-scandals, I must admit that is has been a thorn in my beliefs for some time now. I'm not going to up and quit because of it. That's just a part of my faith is that the church will slowly get better as time moves on. We've already come a long way.

"Religion isn't perfect, but that is because man isn't perfect."

 
the difference is the US did it militarily. And there's no comparison to be drawn, the United States current situation is much different to that of iraq or afghanistan.

As far as I'm concerned, let them riot and destroy their own shitty country and kill their own people.
 
Why, because I live in the south where the folks around here still want the troops to finish what was started?

Secondly, I understand what your saying and yes they are reducing troops blah blah blah, but they are still there, there is still people fighting, and dying.
 
I think the answer is to somehow expose our daily lives, fine as they are, to the common poor Middle Eastern. Then maybe they will will say yeah, fuck this shit, the North Americans know how to live damn well. Democratically so.
 
I never even knew that you lived in the south until you told me just now. It doesn't help your case though saying that, since I really don't care much for the deep south.
 
Idk if this has been said but, I was listening to the radio today and 90% of the people the radical Islamic's kill are fucking Muslim, I just cant get over how they can even call them self's Muslim when there slaughtering there own people!! Correct me if im wrong but, Isn't the Muslim faith about creating peace?
 
telling people in Africa that condoms are worse than AIDs, condemning gay people for who they are, and harboring child rapists in the vatican is pretty bad. Not to mention Mother Teresa 's hospices were absolutely disgusting. Plus they didn't even apologize for persecuting Galileo until 1992.

The progress the catholic church has made is only because science has proven its doctrines wrong. Catholicism used to teach young earth creationism and now their doctrine supports evolution. Did God change his mind? or did Science win?

And inb4 all the good charity the Catholic church does. If you think doing charitable deeds absolves an institution from immoral practices then you must also consider Hammas and other terrorist organizations who do all this charitable giving to Arabs moral.

The thing is "those times" that you speak of were times where Catholics followed the bible exactly. I think finally enough people read the bible and realized how sick it was so they decided to reform the teachings of the church to make everything more "allegorical". Hopefully muslims will become less devout and reform their teachings as well.
 
Well this will be a long a boring post, but here goes:

Your statement of the Condom vs. AIDS was taken out of context. Here is an article linked to the "incident" of which you speak of.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/mar/17/pope-africa-condoms-aids

He said that condoms were not the answer to the AIDS epidemic, not that they were worse than AIDS. A reasonable statement when you take into consideration the NIH condom report, a quite reliable study, and one that I've linked below.

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/3323101.html

It makes sense that condoms are not the answer, since having a condom usually means "oh, we are being safe!" when this report suggests that condoms, in fact, are not reliable. The money would be better spent being put forth into research of a vaccine and treatment.

The gay issue is a good point you bring up. While I don't believe in it, I believe that it should be legal in the sense. It would be good policy for the church, but I doubt that will ever happen. That's my stance, so let's not bother with it.

I already mentioned the child sexual abuse issue in my previous post. But if you must, this is what get's me heartbroken. Such a sad and despicable thing to happen to the clergy, and I hope to God that the offenses won't get worse.

Mother Teresa!? You seriously want to shit on a women who spent half her her life caring for the sick, the poor, and the dying in the slums of India!? That women had the grace and loving care that you or I will never have, so show some respect you ignorant fool! Read a book on her rather than wherever you were fed that misinformation!

How about starting here?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_Teresa

Like I said with the past, Galileo was part of the church's old history long forgotten until Pope John Paul II decided to bring back that issue and put and end to that age-old issue. At least they apologized for something that happened close to 400 years ago (370 to be more approximate, but whatever.)

As for the science point: You are correct, but who hasn't been proved wrong by science before? The church is just another in a long line of those who were stubbornly incorrect before. Science and religion can coexist, and you are witnessing that gradual acceptance by the church. Take for example, the vatican observatory in Italy, and how they operate telescope at the Mount Graham National Observatory in Southeast Arizona. Not a huge point, but one that shows that times are changing for the church.

How can you align the church with Hamas when it comes to charity? What the hell kind of statement is that? It's not even worth debating how the church's charity can be against that revolutionary.

The bible is an enigma, and a self-contradicting one at that. When it comes to the old vs. new testament things seem downright bizzare. I choose to follow the new testament, like many others. The old doesn't have that much pull in the church anymore. It's more for the Jewish and the Islamics.

So "Mozart," what will your response be? Will it be another garble of misinformation and cheap shots, or will you take the time to write out a legitimate response as I have? If you take the honorable path, then I'll continue to debate with you. Keep making stupid posts, and I'm inserting the "fuck this thread I'm out of here meme."

Make your choice, padawan!
 
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