e~b
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It looks like he’s starting some sort of subscription to fund his skiing ventures, and was wondering your thoughts on his message
http://www.patreon.com/bmackclub
http://www.patreon.com/bmackclub
Thoughts on bmack’s... subscription?
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BigPurpleSkiSuit
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Would be cool if he gets people to sponsor him. Does he still ride for anyone?
camstain
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I mean he's probably in a rough spot where money is a huge issue and skiing is unsustainable for him. There's pro skiers who are busting their ass 9 months out of the year working low income jobs just to get 3 months of solid shredding. I get where he's coming from with his message, it's frustrating have a solid presence in the ski industry and not having anything to show for it monetarily.
Why is he yelling in the patreon post. he seems big mad
Chubz.
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I think it’s really whack. I support people who make cool clothes or produce high quality content, I would pay for a zootspace movie, or an On3p movie or a child labor movie.
I’m not giving bmack money while he galavants around the alps riding 1000 dollar skis that he gets for free so he can make videos filmed on an iPhone of him doing nose butters in Norway.
Low on funds so you can’t ski in Switzerland this summer? Here’s a crazy idea...get a fuckin job dude.
I’m not giving bmack money while he galavants around the alps riding 1000 dollar skis that he gets for free so he can make videos filmed on an iPhone of him doing nose butters in Norway.
Low on funds so you can’t ski in Switzerland this summer? Here’s a crazy idea...get a fuckin job dude.
GrandThings
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This is pretty pathetic. At least JahSpriggs campaign had some sort of reward for donating. This MF is straight up just asking for money.
"Its not sustainable?" No bro, its just not sustainable for YOU because you're simply not the caliber skier/marketable enough to make it full time. Sucks to hear, but this aint it chief.
"Its not sustainable?" No bro, its just not sustainable for YOU because you're simply not the caliber skier/marketable enough to make it full time. Sucks to hear, but this aint it chief.
hi_vis360
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14027813:e~b said:
I think what he means with the over consumption narrative is how tons of skier kids buy a bunch of clothes they don't need just to look cool. Go on to B/S/T right now, there is tons of Saga and XXL tall-t style stuff for sale that is barely even used which is probably being sold just cause it's not in style anymore. If that's not overconsumption, then what is? Skiers are the ones marketing this stuff, and their paycheques depend on how successfully they can sell it to their fans. Seems like B-Mack is trying to buck that system but I'm not sure this is the best way to do it. I'm a big fan of what Vishnu is doing with the thrifted clothes.
Chubz.
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14027910:pinkcamo1000 said:
Isn’t that how trends work, though? Things are in cool and in style, you want to be cool, trends and styles change, so does your taste. Better to put the clothes in hands where it will be used rather than thrown out or sit in a closet. Selling your clothes on here is better for cutting down “over consumption”. I’d rather fill a fellow skier’s pockets who’s in college buying clothes off him for a cheaper price rather than buying direct from a company if its a better deal. I definitely have jiberish and TTP threads in my closet front 5 years ago that I no longer wear bc it’s not my style anymore.
I agree that it’s cool how vishnu and arsenic do the whole thrift store thing. Putting your own spin on old clothes is rad.
But I really can’t get behind 16 dollars a month for ski edits..shits whack. Any other patreon you go to offer clothes, merch something you can rep and advertise to grow your audience. Why on earth would I spend almost twice as much as Spotify/Netflix to watch somebody ski places I’ll probably never be able to afford to ski. I could buy a ski movie with more impressive skiing every month for less money. I could use that 16 dollars and save for a new pair of skis which I’m in desperate need for. Or save for a ski trip so I can experience places these people ski everyday.
I talked to Tall T Dan about this earlier today and he said think of it as being a pro skier without being beholden to the demands of a ski sponsor, which I don’t agree with at all. If you want free shit, you should have to be held to some responsibility of producing content in return for the free shit.
He also called himself a pro skier which I also don’t agree with. Does a large social media following you curated by posting ski memes make you a pro? Nah I don’t think so. (Not hating I got mad love for dan and everything he puts back into skiing). Where do we draw the line with being a “pro”. And what responsibilities does being a pro warrant?
I really struggle to see where bmack’s head is at when it comes to this stuff. You could work two days a week and make more money than this patreon will fund you. I just can’t get down with supporting somebody else’s lifestyle without getting much in return. Work for what you want, don’t ask for handouts.
GrandThings
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I hate to say it but this honestly reminds me of the Run For Love guy.....
Granted BMack would actually deliver the content, but I'm having a REAL hard time figuring out how not to view this as "HEY EVERYONE pay for me to go skiing year round! Fight the industry! Fight overconsumption! I deserve your money because I'm so unique and quirky!!"
F.O.H
Granted BMack would actually deliver the content, but I'm having a REAL hard time figuring out how not to view this as "HEY EVERYONE pay for me to go skiing year round! Fight the industry! Fight overconsumption! I deserve your money because I'm so unique and quirky!!"
F.O.H
SofaKingSick
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is $16 a month the only option? is there a way i can tithe 10% of my salary to this cause?
TheSkiingBlader
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One of the best pro rollerbladers in the world named Joe Atkinson just left one of the biggest sponsors (Roces) to fund his filming/skating in a very similar fashion through GoFundMe. Of course the internet talked a lot of smack and people voiced their opinions, but I find it crazy how negative people get so fast. Don't want to donate? Move on. But this is the world we live in now and technologies like this exist so if you can legitimately get a ton of strangers to donate their money towards your cause willingly, I see nothing wrong with that. Is it sustainable? Probably not, but its a different attempt towards a systemic issues of these people not getting compensated what they deserve in the first place.
Young_patty
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Wow. That certainly hurt to read.
All imma say is if you aren’t good enough for sponsers to pay you then get a job or get better. That whole patreon reeks of entitlement and is nothing more than common E-begging, like most of us already have a hard time supporting our own skiing why should I care about some bottom tier low-pros skiing?
And frankly I just feel embarrassed for B-Mack and anyone supporting him, why pay for videos You can get for free? And then to sit there and beg for kids to pay for your skiing under the disguise of “fighting consumerism and like saving the earth dude” is pathetic- STOP BRAINWASHING KIDS.
All imma say is if you aren’t good enough for sponsers to pay you then get a job or get better. That whole patreon reeks of entitlement and is nothing more than common E-begging, like most of us already have a hard time supporting our own skiing why should I care about some bottom tier low-pros skiing?
And frankly I just feel embarrassed for B-Mack and anyone supporting him, why pay for videos You can get for free? And then to sit there and beg for kids to pay for your skiing under the disguise of “fighting consumerism and like saving the earth dude” is pathetic- STOP BRAINWASHING KIDS.
Titus69
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14027920:Chubz. said:
I full on agree with you with this thing, it's really not hard if we explain it to him, not everyone can travel year round and ski, I work all summer and then work on hill, get a free pass and work part time being able to ski all day a few days a week and ski on breaks. It's like the thread about the run for love where the guy got donated money to run through Africa and has just taken his time with family basically vacationing, I'm not donating so someone can have the fun I'm trying to have. Hes also not a pro skier, hes not bad but he does a bunch of weird shit and honestly is a bit much to listen too.
-Dan
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Just a few things for consideration:
The amount of $16 a month is what people have already pledged to contribute. It was 4 patrons at that point. I was one of them, pledging $3.33 per month. You are free to pledge as much or as little as you like. Including nothing at all, clearly.
I can't speak for Maxi, but as well as I know him I can vouch for his good intentions. Excuse his phrasing, as English is not his first language. The idea to him seems along the lines of bypassing the production of merch style clothing and just letting you support his skiing aside from buying a shirt you won't wear in 6months. Even if that is resold and passed on, extending the life is only prolonging the inevitable. If you never create it in the first place then there is no waste. If its not specifically for clothing then its anti-consumerism in general. I know he's been attending school with a large focus on this issue.
General consensus here is that we should let brands determine who is or is not a pro skier. That is how things have traditionally been. From my perspective I'm cool with us deciding who the pro skiers are as well as the brands picking their pros. Plenty of amazing skiers never really got a shot at it because they didn't fit an image or weren't "marketable" This could include an aversion to whoring out for the Instagram algorithm.
We as the consumer have technology available to use that would allow us to propel these other skiers to a pro level. Youtubers and some podcasts do that as the norm.
The amount of $16 a month is what people have already pledged to contribute. It was 4 patrons at that point. I was one of them, pledging $3.33 per month. You are free to pledge as much or as little as you like. Including nothing at all, clearly.
I can't speak for Maxi, but as well as I know him I can vouch for his good intentions. Excuse his phrasing, as English is not his first language. The idea to him seems along the lines of bypassing the production of merch style clothing and just letting you support his skiing aside from buying a shirt you won't wear in 6months. Even if that is resold and passed on, extending the life is only prolonging the inevitable. If you never create it in the first place then there is no waste. If its not specifically for clothing then its anti-consumerism in general. I know he's been attending school with a large focus on this issue.
General consensus here is that we should let brands determine who is or is not a pro skier. That is how things have traditionally been. From my perspective I'm cool with us deciding who the pro skiers are as well as the brands picking their pros. Plenty of amazing skiers never really got a shot at it because they didn't fit an image or weren't "marketable" This could include an aversion to whoring out for the Instagram algorithm.
We as the consumer have technology available to use that would allow us to propel these other skiers to a pro level. Youtubers and some podcasts do that as the norm.
Titus69
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14028068:-Dan said:
I understand what you're saying as he seems very positive and loves skiing, but why is the focus on money and clothes? So he can make edits to get his name out? Hes asking for self funds in regards to people spending money on clothes they waste in the end, i havent bought a shirt in about 2 years, the marker shirt I'm wearing is 6 years old and will last another one. I obviously dont know him so I dont know if he has a job, but it's as simple as just working to fuel your lifestyle. I get the need for money and the sound of his cause isnt the worst, but sometimes you have to sacrifice your time towards earning your fun time, were all ski bums, we kinda need all the dough we have.
CrotchKiller
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If you're really concerned about over-consumption in skiing, stop promoting skiing...
Young_patty
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14028084:montanan said:
lmao exactly
Chubz.
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14028068:-Dan said:
In skateboarding you’re not pro until you get a pro model board with your name on it. Granted it’s different for skiing and most companies can’t afford to make that many top sheets or models of skis but I don’t think that it should be up to the public who is and who isn’t a professional skier. Armada and on3p are some of the only brands still putting out pro model skis with the riders name on them.
I would love to see vishnu follow suit with skateboarding and make certain topsheets for their high level/influential riders and have that be their claim to fame for becoming pro, while a percentage of their ski sales goes into their pockets.
I also think there’s a difference between sponsored skiers and professional skiers. There’s also people in the comp circuit who I don’t consider professional. The last person I heard of becoming pro was Lucas Wachs for lib tech.
Out of curiosity, what makes you a professional skier?
MoneyMakerMike
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what's his insta?
BieberHole69
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14028098:Chubz. said:
DING DING DING.
snowfinder
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14028068:-Dan said:
Or he could get a night job.
SofaKingSick
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i want someone to see this guy in real life and be like "dude you're sick! can i sponsor you? no product or company or duty involved, i just want to pay for your shit while you do whatever you want"
and bmack will be like dude perfect i have a web page set up for exactly this scenario
and bmack will be like dude perfect i have a web page set up for exactly this scenario
skiP.E.I.
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Also, I think the funding makes sense. He has enough of a following that people will actually notice, and he for sure has enough fans that want to see more footage to donate a little towards an edit. He might as well monetize his popularity in some form, and patreon is a pretty direct way to do it. He does make a good point about consumerism, even though he may not have articulated it as well as possible, and it probably wasn't even necessary for him to address that for people to donate a little.
How many people on NS would donate money for Delorme to drop an edit next season? This is essentially the same thing.
How many people on NS would donate money for Delorme to drop an edit next season? This is essentially the same thing.
a_burger
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I like B-mack, probably won't donate money but I think it's not really a stretch to say he had the most unique skiing/editing style in freeskiing for a few years
I think the reason people are taking this so negatively is that when a content creator typically starts a patreon or gofundme, they have a recent body of work to back them up, whereas I don't think bmack has really had a full part or edit that wasn't just iphone footy since Finess came out like 5 years ago. If he was still making high quality content (i.e. not iphone edits) today I think he might get a bit more traction with this.
I think the reason people are taking this so negatively is that when a content creator typically starts a patreon or gofundme, they have a recent body of work to back them up, whereas I don't think bmack has really had a full part or edit that wasn't just iphone footy since Finess came out like 5 years ago. If he was still making high quality content (i.e. not iphone edits) today I think he might get a bit more traction with this.
hi_vis360
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14028037:Young_patty said:
I disagree with this mindset, I think that most sponsored skiers who focus of film projects are underpaid, and even a lot of comp skiers are too. Skiing at a high level takes a toll on your body and I don't think most skiers are compensated appropriately. If skiers could spend more time skiing and less time working some shitty job, we will have better skiers, better content, and a bigger community. I get that it's a niche sport and I certainly don't expect skiers to get paid like major league athletes, but I really think more money in the industry should be funnelled towards the people who inspire others to participate and be a part of the community.
14028211:skiP.E.I. said:
Yeah a lot of people are characterizing B-Mack as some rich guy who is just on vacation all the time but I really don't think that's true. He is currently in school, is a ski instructor, and the summers he spent at Zermatt he was a digger. Seems like he works a lot to me.
GrandThings
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14028213:skiP.E.I. said:
This is a really good point and I guess I'll dial back my hate a little bit to explain why this pisses me off so much.
But that being said, there's a major major difference between the two. Delorme actually has demand for his skiing. People, (me included) would gladly donate to a campaign to see more content from him. He's built up a strong enough reputation based on his skiing ability and body of work to deserve my money. Simply put - Delorme is good enough to deserve asking for money to fund his skiing.
I'd say the same about something like Traveling Circus. If they needed campaign donations to keep that going - I'd gladly contribute.
I guess what got me so heated about this Patreon is that BMack seems to think he DESERVES to be a pro-skier, like its his right or something. Bro if you want to ski for a living EARN THAT SHIT and stop putting out dumb-ass edits of you shuffling around resorts and yelling inside jokes with your friends. I get that English isnt his first language, but the campaign post came across as ignorant, immature and spoiled.
@Dan - I'm sure you know more about this whole thing than me, but I'm honestly surprised you back this. You fucking GRIND for a living dude. Building your brand and getting your name out there - I have mad respect for that. Would you feel proud of yourself if you sustained yourself by creating a GoFundMe "Hey I want to keep living this life - send me money for vague promises that I may/may not keep"?
Crust_Station
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I have some mixed feelings on this, sure BMack hasnt really released anything too nutty recently but Im sure thats because he’s been working hard trying to sustain himself. I think any of us would try to do this or similar if we had the following, I dont know if he does but I hope it works out for him.
Titus69
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14028361:Crust_Station said:
No I wouldn't be asking for handouts if I was already employed likely working very little, I'd say sorry skiing I gotta work a few extra days a week, it's like being a ricu kid who works 2 days a week and complains he doesn't have cash so he asks daddy for some but still says he has a job as an excuse.
Titus69
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14028381:pinkcamo1000 said:
I said it earlier, I dont even know if he has a job, all I'm saying is if he wants to live the life his pro friends are, he needs to step tf up in skiing to get paid or just do what we all do and get a job, it's a called sacrificing your fucking time.