This needs to stop.

i'm not saying you should go into explicit detail, that falls under the category of too much information, whether you're gay or straight. what i am saying tho, is that people shouldn't have to hide the fact that they are gay just because the idea of buttsex makes people uncomfortable.

i'm not so much saying that people should let their freaky flags fly fragrantly, i'm saying that people like charmeleon shouldn't tell gay people to keep it entirely too themselves just because we're in the minority. like with the holding hands example and how it invites conflict sometimes, most people don't date ugly girls but if i see a hot guy and an ugly girl holding hands, i don't tell them to keep their relationship private just because the idea of them having sex is gross.
 
I wasn't trying to instigate anything. I just had honestly seen and couldn't come up with the thread in which it was apparent. I don't at all mind sexual orientation, I just don't think there needs to be threads stating 'I love pussy' or 'I like dick' after a legitimate argument. Thanks potamus for linking that thread.
 
on a related note, my roommate is gay. He is also a complete asshole. Is he an asshole because he is gay? No. He just is an asshole, and that is his character.

People should be judged, (and possibly ridiculed) because of their character, not their sexuality. There are many days where I just want to punch my roommate and tell him to stfu and stop being a psychotic asshole. This doesn't mean that I am homophobic, it just means that I hate people who are assholes. /roommate rant
 
I get what your saying but I dont think you get what Im saying its a lot simpler then were both making it, no, you should not, run up and make blantant comments about your sexuality straight or not, but if your questioned or its a topic of conversation people should be able to speak freely and openly about, same as if slavery was the topic at hand, it should be able to be discussed openly.
 
also, I'm probably just soo butthurt because I'm stuck in richmond VA now. and if you didnt know, its the capitol of the confederacy. aka my school is a bunch of rednecks
 
is it weird that gay anal sex doesnt seem gross? it just doesnt turn me on. Im kinda indifferent, and thats about the extent of my emotion towards it. I mean, if the thing getting fucked doesnt have tits swinging back and forth, and two soft holes, i couldnt really care less about it.

It would essentially be like watching collegiate wrestling for me, two dudes engaging in an athletic manuever that only those who participate in the same sport could appreciate...otherwise you think its boring.
 
Kids kill there self all the time, its the leading reason teens die. Yes, its very sad and i feel bad for them. but its not gunna stop its human nature. But i dont get why if a gay kid kills himself it is any diffrent than a straight kid. I dont like how they get treated diffrent. Sure i have a
 
Same.

If this was a bout a straight kid killing himself, because he got ripped on for basically no reason, until his life wasn't worth it, there'd be no discussion about anyone doing that being a sad pathetic asshole.

Instead, we get everyones opinions on sexuality, and how "out there" gays are allowed to be before getting hassled/much worse for it.
 
It's about context.

If you're with a group of friends talking amongst yourselves, I find nothing wrong with making openly gay remarks. It's no different than your straight friends talking about girlyparts.

My postulate moreso deals with out-of-context declarations. I remember I had an AP English class with a gay kid. We'd be talking about books and randomly he'd slip in a red herring by bragging about being gay. I had no problems with this kid until he started doing this almost every day. I get equally annoyed when people talk about national pride, personal achievements, or the like, when its completely out of context. It shows that the person simply wants attention, which is an awful trait.

I should also clarify that while I hate fruity men (who may or may not be homosexuals), I do acknowledge their right to act fruity if that is indeed their true character. I also embrace my right to not feel ashamed in defaming them for said fruity-ness.
 
This is a faulty argument, along the same lines as the ever-so-common "why do blacks get black pride month when whites don't" argument. Your logic is based on the idea that both heterosexuals and homosexuals are equal citizens with equal values in our society. The fact that homosexuals are second-class citizens completely nullifies your point because society already tapers in favor of heterosexuals. In other words, its relative. The purpose of _____ pride is to demand recognition of certain groups in order to fill in the unjust social gap.

 
actually, i have been lurked on by a gay guy. he literally went up to my friend, and asked if drank or was on anything at a party, and my buddy said that i was a little high. all the kid said was "good". and just left him and followed me around all night. i confronted him once then and said that i completely respect gay people, but i'm not gay and instead he kept following me and yelling shit to me. it just goes to show you that there are creepy straight people and gay people
 
homosexuality is not normal, therefore homosexuals are not treated normally. anybody who does anything outside of the norm will be treated differently (for better or worse) than those who dont. doesnt matter if you think people should accept you, support you whatever. they wont, its natural, its human nature. if you cant take the negative effects your lifestyle brings you, then hide it, dont flaunt it. its your fault and your problem. of course nobody is 100% normal, so nobody is going to be treated 100% normal 100% of the time. everybody has their differences, positive and negative. its something everyone has to live with. gays get no extra slack from me.

I dont like dick in man ass. if i dont see it, or experience it i have no problem with it. what people do in private really does not bother me at all. in fact i support it, you should be able to do whatever the hell you want as long as it doesnt harm anyone IMO. but if i saw two guys fucking in front of me i would tell them to fuck off. they can do whatever gross shit they want in front of me, but im not going to have anything close to a positive response, and thats their problem that they cant live with the negative effect that THEY STARTED.

again i have nothing against gay people, i just dont like the idea of gay sex, and the personality some gays tend to have. one of my best friends is gay, i respect him more than almost anyone else i know because of who he is and what kind of person he is. he doesnt flaunt his sexuality at all. but he's 100% happy with who he is and doesnt need to prove it to himself by shoving it in everyones face. he doesnt get offended by gay jokes, terms etc.. i call people things gay and people fags in front of him all the time and it doesnt phase him. and i respect him more because of how he can handle that. so there, i like someone MORE because he is gay. hes turning what most gays make into a negative aspect of themselves into a positive.

really it mostly comes down to what kind of a person you are and how you handle your abnormalities more than anything else.

 
gonna have to disagree with you there bubs. Is being black the fault of the black person?

and you actually show very little respect to your friend by using adjectives that characterize him to belittle and demean other things. And i would say the same thing if you had a black friend who was OK with you calling people niggers, or a jewish friend who was cool with you making jewish jokes. Have some respect for who your friend is.
 
stop making dumb, nonfactual arguments.. black has been shown to be heritable without a doubt, homosexuality isnt even close.
 
i dont mean it in a way that disrespects gays. thats not my intent. if you wanna take it that way then great go ahead and be offended. thats more than fine with me. there is a big difference between someone saying "this song is gay" and something like "im going to kill you fag" to gay person. and people who treat the two the same are just plain ignorant. my friend doesnt take offense to that type of stuff, he uses those terms all the time anyway. because hes not a politically correct dumb fuck who cant see the difference.

i really have no problem with offensive terms at all. i dont get offended easily, and i dont respect it when people do. i think it shows weak emotional intelligence, a lack of common sense, and a lack of any balls.
 
didnt have time to read the whole thread but the jaymay kid went to my school (williamsville south's) cross town rivals, north. i know a lot of kids there. i've been rampaging around facebook about it, but not like everyone else. heres the gist of it summed up in a status

im not trying to be cynical, but i give most of you a month at most until you forget about this. it's great everyones like this now, and i feel bad and all, but really. hate me for saying it but its true.

it just pisses me off how people are all up on their high horses about gay rights and anti bullying, like they've never done a thing wrong. i'm all for this anti bullying gay rights stuff, but damn, it'd be a bit hypocritical to pretend i've never done wrong. I guess i've never really made fun of legitimate gayness (i call stuff gay, but does that really even mean homosexual anymore) I can't stand the lot of them. a bunch of internet warriors and facebook crusaders. come back when you've made a fucking difference in someones life. the same people i see with "NO H8" written all over the backs of their hands i've seen bully the shit out of people, every once in a while, with me as the victim (i'm not super popular, i just feel bad for those who get caught up in all that). nobody gave two shits beforehand, and now they're trying to look down on everyone. I've been trying to be a better person for a while now, i've invited weird kids to the table, stand up for people who need it, etc. idk im just sick of their hypocritical ways.

/fucking rant.
 
You're assuming heterosexuals and homosexuals are on an equal social plane. "Just world phenomenon..."

The reason people get more upset when a gay kid commits suicide is because its due to a great social injustice. Not to say there aren't social injustices to straight kids; I'm just saying people recognize this pointless and highly preventable trend.
 
what i dont agree with is when a gay kid commits suicide, he gets more attention than the straight kid who commits suicide. a gay kid gets bullied for his sexuality, a straight kid gets bullied because of who he is. i dont see one being worse than the other.

i just dont see how a minority group thinks that by being treated better and above everyone else, they are being treated equally. sure society sometimes treats them poorly, but we also do so much to try to make up for that. which i dont think should happen, i feel it has the opposite effect. if you want equality, you should be able to take all the negative aspects that come with it.

i saw a great example of this the other day when a black girl at work was getting fired, she was easily one of the worst employees there, always late, missed work a couple times in the last month without saying anything. and we are going to have to give here unemployment, purely because of her race. because our attorney said if she wanted to play the racist thing and sue, she could and she would probably win. and people like her can just work the system and live off the man the rest of her life, purely because of her race. which is retarded.
 
I never said one was worse than the other, I'm simply explaining why people react differently.

While I largely agree with you, I don't think that bringing sexuality-based suicides to public attention can be considered an attempt to be treated "better and above" everyone else. Your anecdote applies, but it doesn't translate here because your coworker deserved to be fired and benefited through unjust means. Demanding social reform on sexuality is far from being unjust.
 
hmm, now does your unemployment work? Here, everyone pays into unemployment when they work, and the amount they pay (based on their salary) determines their benefit.

It's not like black people get unemployment and whites don't.
 
i have no problem with a sexuality-based suicide getting attention. i think it should, its a terrible thing. I just dont like how people treat gay bullying worse than bullying in general. And like i was trying to explain earlier, giving gays or any minority group any special privilege or treatment over everyone else in an effort to make them feel equal, i feel has the opposite effect. by doing that you are basically saying they arent equal. if they truly are equal, why do we need laws forcing people to give them special treatment? i see it in college all the time, my school is full of a lot of very liberal PC people. and its ridiculous how much people change when they are around say, a black person. they are so careful not to use any offensive words, insult them etc.. its like special ed. if i were a minority it would piss me off.
 
No, I wasn't.

I was sarcastically agreeing, and pointing out that this kid was being treated much more harshly (eg differently) in this thread purely because of his sexuality. In other words: not cool.
 
...But they aren't equal, which is why these social handicaps exist.

I think I realize what you're saying though, about people trying too hard to be PC. I agree that it's stupid. However I wouldn't place blame on these "social handicaps," more so stupid individuals who take it so far as to counteract its intent.
 
White straight middle to upper class males complaining about shit being too PC..

Never really gets any tears of compassion from me. And it's starting to get pretty old. I agree though, it's terrible when people try not to insult other people. Needs to change?

re. people getting treated differently, your argument makes sense on a philosphical level, but the reality of it is that minorities need special support, because our social (and political) shits on them otherwise.
 
ummm, I'v yet to recieve any "special priveleges" or laws. infact, in around 36 or so states you can be refused jobs or kicked out of a public place for being gay. just an FYI.
 
when you get fired, i.e. terminated unemployment isn't naturally included in the package, being laid off =/= being fired.
 
white middle to upper class people complaining about shit being too PC? white middle to upper class people are the ones complaining that shit isnt PC enough. go to any black or mexican neighborhood, or go join a gay pride parade and tell me how PC they are. i guarantee its worse than any white middle to upper class neighborhood.

my opinion on offensive terms and Political correctness wont change. i absolutely hate PC-ness and im fine with offensive terms. and this is coming from someone who grew up with a shit ton of bullying. it made me a better person, forced me to be stronger and more confident. kids growing up with constant supervision and protection from adults is making them extremely weak emotionally, and IMO is a big part of the huge amount of suicides we see these days. now kids are pampered to shit for the first 12 years of their life, then when they get a little bit of freedom and have to deal with shit like bullying. they cant handle it. hell, a girl in my sisters school killed herself last year over a fucking text.

kids 50 years ago had it much harder growing up. and suicide was almost unheard of.
 
i think you should be able to refuse someone a job based on their race or sexual orientation. i think its a stupid thing to do, and i most likely wouldnt be supporting any business doing that. but its their business, it should be their choice who they hire. now getting kicked out of public places seems very fucked up.
 
and how does our society shit on minorities? and why does that mean we have to give them special support? not saying your wrong just wondering.
 
that's like saying being straight doesn't need to be broadcasted constantly. my friends and i talk about girls and stuff like that in public. gay people aren't allowed to?

 
why yes I do. it is also illegal to be in a "marriage, civil partnership, or any arrangement between the same sex". IE being gay is "illegal"
 
the flamboyant gay people you're stereotyping probably make up that same amount of straight bros. open your eyes and realize not all gay people are the same
 
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