This needs to stop.

no i took issue with it when you equated being a racist in favor of slavery, to being gay. I would think you are trolling, but i spent quite a few years in your neck of the woods, and from what i saw and heard, your view is pretty normal for that area.
 
Really? Okay, it's called acceptance. You accept that people are going to be how they are, and move on. You don't have to be attracted to the same sex to realize they're people too and deserve to be treated with respect.

Accept that people are going to be the way that they are. You don't have to agree with it, but accept it, and move on with your fucking life. Somene being gay isn't affecting you in any way, unless he's hitting on you in a bar or something, but you can just leave if its that big of a deal.
 
my neck of the woods? holmes, you dont really know about the northwest if you think its a bunch of homophobic racists living in trailers cooking meth or something.

i equated openly being racist with being flamboyantly gay, which both are annoying and not socially acceptable. what is morally acceptable and socially acceptable is a different argument entirely.
 
seriously, you dont see the issue with this?

and please, please, please dont think you are a part of the PNW. Its called the INLAND NORTH WEST. Its not even remotely culturally close to the PNW.
 
i never said pacific in my post anywhere sooo....

and no i dont see the issue, if your behavior bothers people it bothers people, dont expect them to like your behavior just because you want them to.
 
I think he was referring to your proximity to Idaho-- being as Idaho, in certain areas, is known for bigotry. Not referring to the NW as being homophobic.
 
i grew up in idaho, trust me, i know what hes talking about, and its a stupid stereotype that isnt applicable at all.
 
a neo nazi and a disciplined muslim are both really annoying.

the neo nazi wants to kick all jews, colored folk, and mentally handicapped out of the country, and thinks they are sub-human. Meanwhile the muslim shoves his religon in my face by dropping every thing to pray 5 times per day, the females choose to wear these rediculous costumes...again shoving it in my face. plus he makes me uncomfortable because i know that this one time someone who practices the same religon committed a giant terrorist attack, and i dont want that happening to me.

i dont see how you can justify comparing gays to someone who is racist and in favor of slavery??

*note, almost all neo-nazi groups are not in favor of extermination, just separation.
 
you completely missed this part of my post, bro.

"both are annoying and not socially acceptable. what is morally acceptable and socially acceptable is a different argument entirely"
 
ok...well I agree to a certain extent. People associate Northern Idaho with white supremacy and although things have changed quite a bit, you can still find your fair share of bigots.

I feel ya on being sick of the stereotype though-- it's no fun when you don't fit the bill an are judged by where you live.
 
he's not helping the stereotype when he cant see why people take issue with him equating a racist in favor of slavery, to a gay individual.

And N.Idaho isnt what is was back in the 70's and 80's, but it is still in no way, shape, or form close to being socially progressive.
 
Now you're just misrepresenting my comments.

For one thing, I certainly never equated racism with homosexuality on a moral level whatsoever. Furthermore, my example was along the lines of an egregious usage of sexuality compared with an obnoxious bigot, not merely homosexuality in general.

You're trying to make me look like something I'm not, you've even gone so far as to bring my home and my culture into question. I have no problem with homosexuals, my uncle was gay and a loved member of my family, I have no problem with people of different races and/or creeds, although you've sought to portray me as having these issues.

In short, if you want to discuss this further it would be best if you chose not to omit half of my posts and take the other half out of context.
 
Yeah, well I when I first read his comment I actually said in my head "oh man...this is going to cause a flame war." I think comparing the two is utterly ridiculous as well.

But I did think someone (could have been you) nailed it on the head when they said that things have changed, and in many areas it is more socially acceptable to be openly gay now than it is to be homophobic. So saying that gays are choosing a life that isn't socially acceptable is kind of absurd. That's straight supremacy, using what you view as your majority power to suppress others.

However, I think sometimes posts like this get blown out of proportion. Many comments made in a forum like this without much forethought are made out of ignorance, or sometimes they're even interpreted in a way that the author hadn't intended. I try to keep this in mind and pick my battles.

As far as the "flaming" thing that people keep mentioning. I personally don't mind this at all, as everyone expresses themselves in different ways. Some forms of expression do both me (this isn't one of them) but I just keep it to myself. So I do think that people are entitled to dislike flamboyant behavior, I think they should keep it to themselves.

But like I mentioned above, self-appointed superiority makes some feel like they shouldn't have to be the ones who "keep it to themselves." It isn't their fault entirely-- sometimes it takes really thinking hard about things like this before you realize what is wrong and what is right. Some people haven't taken the time to think about it long or hard enough. They'll come around. Society never changes overnight.

 
someday people won't be so intolerant, someday

oh and by the way the inland northwest is definitely somewhat deserving of its stereotype at least in the more rural areas.
 
Gay people need to be more tolerant of people who are complete assholes. They were born assholes, it's not their fault... it's their natural reaction to speak up about it when they see something/someone they don't like. Just because they COULD not be assholes, doesn't mean that they should have to because you don't like it. You're asking them to go against who they are on a deep mental/emotional level, and that's NOT okay. It's almost like asking a gay person to not be flamboyantly open with their sexuality, to the point where they irritate all of the people around them. Remember, if you were born in a certain way, you should feel no obligation to act any differently than is natural for you... even if your actions make others feel annoyed/irritated/uncomfortable/angry with you... after all, you are the center of the fucking universe, and you should have your way no matter what because noone else fucking matters on this planet because you. Get over yourself. Life is a compromise. Your well being is no more important than another mans. And even though most people would like to think that they are very important, the fact is that most are not.

/ragerant complete

I'm not against gay rights by the way, or even against gay people. I'm against inconsiderate people. And people who go out of their way to show off the fact that they like penis fall into that category.
 
Yes an obnoxious bigot and an obnoxious homosexual are both annoying.

But if you take the obnoxious part out there is no comparison. One is hating on people because of their skin color and the other just prefers having sex with the same sex. There is a reason people dont find being a bigot socially acceptable which brings you back to the beginning of the thread. PEOPLE JUST NEED TO STOP BEING DICKS TO EACH OTHER.
 
i dont see the big deal about people being gay, honestly? its the 21st century, who cares if someone is gay, it doesnt affect your life. If someone is gay, thats fine by me. ELE
 
There's a post a few down that claims when the OP refers to the opposite sex, he's referring to the sex you are turned on by, I.E. his post would be relevant. But I was looking at Midwestys post. That was my bad.
 
I'd give up on "gay rights" completely too... If you started calling them "human rights" it would go a long way towards removing the separation from gays and straight people even in peoples' minds when they talk about it.

Also what you're experiencing in class is a form of identification. Most kids in your class are straight, so for them they're thinking to themselves "Well there's a decent chance I'll knock up a girl I don't want to have a family with so I should probably care about abortion laws" and not necessarily "Well I want Reese's dick in my mouth, so I should probably care about sexual orientation-protective legislature."

Another point I think is hilarious is when people equate being gay to a choice, because it tells you a lot. Their insistence upon the matter-of-fact nature of this stance and projection of it on others is usually tied to their own personal experience- which means THEY have gay thoughts and desires and THEY are actively repressing them, so in their mind they're sparing the world from their gayness- why can't you??? If they think it's a choice and everybody is just too weak to hold it in, it's probably because they are doing so themselves. Psychology lulz.

Cliff notes... "I think being a homosexual is a choice, keep your gayness to yourself" = "I'm a repressed homosexual and it makes me bitter!!".

 
Yeah, I hear in really liberal areas of San Francisco, locals will pistol whip, torture and leave you tied to a bike rack to die if they suspect you're homophobic. Gays certainly have it easy.
 
This. This shows exactly the hypocritical rhetoric that gay rights activists employ to further their goals. They claim to think that nobody should be judged on their beliefs; however, when that belief is hating gays, it's completely unacceptable. But when that belief is to like other men, they nobody should be able to say a word about it. It's absurd.
 
Let me just say this , if you are gay and you feel like you have to hide it you have the wrong friends.
 
ummm, sarcasm? I think you misunderstood what I was saying. My intent was only to point out that homosexuality is socially acceptable in many areas.
 
i think they should broadcast it as much as they want. simply being in a gay relationship and holding hands with your partner is seen as a political statement, i just think thats sad. obviously groping each other in public is unacceptable, gay or straight, but gay people shouldn't have to hide who they choose to love and how they have sex, from anybody. imagine how pissed you would be if you were in some super gay part of san francisco or something with your girlfriend, and a dude told you your relationship was wrong, you shouldn't share rights with your girlfriend, and your both going to hell.

sound ridiculous? well it is. i will never tell my dad that i'm bisexual because of what the repercussions would be, and that is a really difficult thing to live with. don't start saying i have to hide from the rest of the world too
 
Everyone who's not insane knows it's not morally right to abuse another person. Telling them to stop because it's not right and bad things happen won't do anything. You have to raise children well for them to treat other people well. Sadly, most aren't.
 
there was a kid in my school who was 15 who had like an affair with like a part time track coach who was only like 22, but apparently this kid actually loved the man and when his parent found out they called the cops and shit and now the guys in jail but wouldnt be if the kid was like a year older. anyway back to my point it was all i heard about the first 3 weeks of school and i finally started yelling at random people in the hallway because of them talking shit and making fun of the kid. i dont give a fuck if anyone is gay or not i have just lost faith in society in general, theres just no respect anymore for anything not even other humans.
 
Why should everyone have to hear about how you have sex? Is it okay for straight people to publicly announce that they have their girlfriends finger their ass when they're about to cum? Or that they piss on their girlfriends chest to set the mood? Sex *especially in this country* is a private matter for the most part. Everyone tempers their outward self to varying degrees to accomodate the needs and wants of other people.. that's how society works. All of this "be yourself" nonsense is just that.. nonsense. I've been discriminated against for my sex and age... which I have NO control over. You at least have a choice to go around telling people you love buttseckz, and you should think about that choice, because people may think differently of you for it. Should they think differently of you for it? Probably not, but at least you have a choice of sharing that information or not.
 
that was not a blatant generalization at all. I understand that there are gay people that don't do this. That's ok with me; doesn't bother me. What I'm talking about is flamers, I hate everything about the way they act.

Gay people can go suck a dick.

^LOLJOKEDONTGETOFFENDED
 
I don't think you understand what it means for something to be socially acceptable. Just because there's twice as many gays in one place as opposed to another, doesn't mean it's socially accepted.
 
I was not referring to the size of the gay population. I understand what socially acceptable means, it means accepted by society, and the society that I live in accepts gay people. Is there a direct correlation between acceptance and the size of the gay population-- most likely-- but that doesn't mean I'm confusing one for the other.

 
i love jenkem.
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but for real being gay shouldnt be a debate. its just what you do behind closed doors? like, if someone likes being shitted on its just weird but people have serious issues with just being gay? ridiculousness.

if someones gay its not really everyones business to be calling people out and hating them for it.. but hey thats just highschool for ya
 
But it's okay to judge/hate people because they like being shitted on? Even if they happen to be born that way, and have no choice whether to like it or not?

Sorry, but your argument doesn't make shit for sense.

 
That's my problem? I love everyone dude! From my friends and family to the people I get yelled at from because I have a customer service job.
 
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