This is pretty fucked up.

Am I supposed to believe that there aren't any Iraqis that speak english. Quite a few would probably know the words mohammed, allah, and fuck even if they couldn't speak it otherwise.
 
THEY ARE IN IRAQ BECAUSE THEY WANT TO BE IN IRAQ, THEY DONT GIVE A SHIT ABOUT PROTECTING AMERICA, THEY JUST WANT TO PLAY BADASS. IF THEY DIDNT WANT TO BE IN IRAQ THEY COULD BE SOMEWHERE ELSE. FUCK EM.
 
great lets just kill ever other animal on earth then. Seriously. We are so great arent we. We are just so fucking sweet.
 
id rather see you go off that cliff then the puppy to be honest. Not even including that the puppy is both smarter and better looking than your stupid fucking ass
 
oh really? what are we then? super animals? ultra animals? animaltaculars? what are we? do we have super dna?
 
omg thats soo fucked up like if there that bored over there then we have serious issues i almost cried that was so terrible.
 
we are animals, how can you deny that? we are heterotrophic living beings on this planet, that labels us as animals. elevated intelligence makes us no less of animals, just smarter animals.

and we are not alone in our intelligence. sure ours is far greater, but saying that all other animals are just machines is a terrible misconception. i suggest checking out the most recent national geographic issue. in it is an article on new discoveries in animal intelligences. animals such as parrots, crows, elephants, octopi, dolphins, bonobos, dogs, etc. can all reason basic math, categorize and recognize colors and shapes, and identify hundreds of objects. some can even understand spoken instructions and have vocabularies hundreds of words long. they have the ability to express and interpret emotions based on facial expressions and body language, and even have distinct senses of humor. it's simply untrue that we alone are sentient and reasoned.
 
not gonna lie wouldn't mind if that guy doesn't make it home.

and to whoever said dogs are worth less then humans... I'd rather have a dog than a person like that as my child.
 
you are a legit retard

everything you have said so far on this thread has been ridiculously wrong...how do you not see what hes doing, did you hear what he was saying about Allah and shit
 
Wow, I feel like shit after watching that poor dog being launched by someone who should be enforcing peace. (Ironicly by killing others.. its all fucked up)
 
you are THE biggest douche bag on this site

I really can't wait until you stop logging in and posting dumb shit

that will be the day
 
actually, everything I have said hasn't been absolutely wrong, thats a great argument u have there man, use some education to back it up. I don't fucking care about Allah or islam, i dont care about any religion. If this man wants to hate on the religion of the people who are shooting at him, let him ,thats his prerogative, if these people have the right to hate on other religions for not abiding by the same shit that the quoran dictates, then this guy has the right to hate on them. I dont fuckin care about other peoples religion.

and yauch, id love to see that immense generalization of soldiers in the army hold up, you don;t know why the fuck anyone fights. I can guarantee you that its not just wanting to be badass, i think youd be surprised what you find out. And they did sign up, so stop trashing them for giving up a good portion of their lives in doing so.
 
just because a small group of Muslims are his enemy, does NOT give him a right to blatantly offend them all. innocent citizens ducking from crossfire may have heard that, talk about insult to injury, why do they deserve that? i know it's corny, but two wrongs don't make a right. you never have a legit excuse to be an asshole to someone, no matter what they did. he should be the better person, not stoop to that level, and remember that he is representing his country overseas and should therefore be more responsible and respectful.
 
hey icepointa, how about you enlist, get thrown into a bloody war that you know is unjust and just see how fucked up you get from it. dont pass judgement on people that are experiencing shit you wouldnt in your worst dreams. taking another life is nothing for them now, and taking the life of an animal must be no effort at all.

fuck you.

i love puppies.

 
im not trying to justify his actions, blackwater employee or not you have no idea who he is. he is a big fucking asshole for doing that and you do have the right to say that he is wrong but he does have the right to throw the puppy of the cliff because, as you can see above, he just did and there is no law where he is against doing that. i agree that my saying that we don't know the mental challenges these men are going through is a little naive but there in lies my point again, YOU DONT KNOW and neither do i because were both sitting here talking about it on NS. you can go ahead judge and condemn him. i personally just try not to place judgements on things that are beyond my level of comprehension. thats all im trying to say, in no way would i try and justify anyones actions because i walk my road and they walk theirs. i know nothing about about what theirs has been like because i don't know them.
 
When i saw you're name as most recent post i coulden't wait to read what sort of ignorant shit you'd throw up.

let's see what we've got:

- Defending Blackwater empolyees who's job is a mercinary -- pretty sure that they want to be there and arn't being "thrown" into anything they wern't expecting

- Saying we can't judge people because we "don't have the same experiances" -- begs the question, and is just illogical

- justifying the killing of the puppy because they kill people. -- if you want to call hucking a puppy off a cliff a "lesser evil" than killing a human, just because it's a "lesser evil" doesn't justify it
 
Wow dude, thats a great idea. Too bad I already mentioned it in the first post when I talked about this behavior being indicitive of people who accept money to kill people. I'm sure the actual killing compounds the problem as well.
 
^are these guys confirmed mercenaries? or are they regular army? Either way, when you have someone else shooting at you, you are going to be willing to kill them.
 
"for giving up a good portion of their lives" you forgot to add "WHILE BEING PAYED BY MY TAXES"

Or am I wrong? Are they VOLUNFUCKINGTEERING? NO! they are getting paid! That is their Job! They are getting paid by my taxes to go into this SUPER BLOODY WAR THAT IS SO FUCKED UP AND THEIR ALL DYING ALL THE TIME AND SEEING ALL DEATH AND BLOOD ALL THE TIME but they still have the time to film eachother throwing puppies off cliffs? like YEAH IM A HARDCORE SOLDER I SEE DEATH ALL THE TIME SO I AM SO HARDCORE SO ITS OK FOR ME TO FILM MYSELF THOWING PUPPIES OFF CLIFFS BECAUSE I AM IN A WAR AND I SEE BLOOD EVERYDAY.

how bloody is this war compared to VIETNAM or WW2? Huh? are american soldiers dying like they did in WW2? Fuck no! Except in ww2 did solders stop on the way to germany and film themselves killing dogs then justify it by saying that they had to because they were hardcore? WTF

 
you dont even know if this is real!

shit goes down in all wars man, and if u didnt know already, they didnt have personal video cameras that soldiers could just carry around and press the record button back then. A lot worse shit went down on all sides in world war 2, worse shit than just tossing a puppy off a cliff. Think human loss...
 
oh jeeezzz yeah. you mean a HUMAN was KILLED? For REAL! o god i cant even imagine.. wow... how horrible. your kidding right? jeez man. ACTUAL HUMAN LOSS? wow i guess that puppy means nothing then does he? because he is not a human right?, he was not scared shitless as he was falling through the air. Naw never. Only humans feel emotion right?
 
i cant even describe in words how mad that actually made me it really

made me want to hit that fucker in the head with an ice pick really

bad.im at a lose of words right now.who the fuck is so god damn mean to do something like that.i cant even hunt because i would feel bad but heartless killing is fucked up and it really pisses me off....
 
Lil_G Fuck you to hell for supporting innocent puppies being thrown off fucking cliffs. And fuck Delphi for just being stupid and a faggot. Lets go fucking throw man's best friend off a fucking cliff. Its a very fuckin bright idea isn 't it? FUCK!!! IM FUCKING PISSED!!!
 
you're a dummy. why dont you do something productive with you time like chuck puppies off cliffs.

seems like more fun and helpful to the world than this thread.
 
im pretty sure that isnt a real dog... if you watch as he brings his arm back the dog's arms are still tucked into its body and everything
 
We are not mere animals.

Look, us humans consistently project our behaviors and maneurisms onto the natural world to see if and how our behavior is present in other beings. This comes with a huge bias, because we, as sentient beings, are aware of what it is we do and why we do it, and thus attempt to give rhyme and reason to what other animals do based on our preconceived notions of behavior.

Basically, animals behave a certain way, and we attempt to characterize as having some correlation to what we do as either natural or unnatural, when it is us that makes that distinction, not the animal.

The thing is that you would probably be the first to say that the conservative people who hold "March of the Penguins" as a testament to the righteousness of monogamy and the heterosexual family unit are batshit insane, that the penguins merely do what they do because that is what they do, and that their monogamous lifestyle for the season does not mean anything to the natural identity of monogamy or other such human behaviors. You may even be the one to say that there are gay penguins... And in that very moment you would understand that these behaviors only come to have a sense of meaning and purpose when human beings come to interpret them within our sentient, reasoned existence.

We need reasons for behavior. That reason is either that it is natural, or that it is nurtured, but it is still a reason. Animals do not have any such need to reason to behavior, nor do they project their actions onto us. They simply react and interact to and with their environment. With us, that interaction and reaction comes with an implicit cause. Hence, sentience.

Now, let's look at your idea of intelligence, based on national geographic, and you might see that a lot of it is useful and or instinctual.

So, they can reason basic math. That's good. It's good to know that one predator is less than three, and that if you take 5 food items from one place and 3 from another, that equals more fish than either place had itself.

They categorize colors and shapes, and identify hundreds of objects. Good. These animals all seem to live in light abounding, varied habitats with hundreds of different plants, animals and colors to keep track of and assess their interactions, such as "purple flower, if eat, kill me".

Those that understand spoken instructions are always trained through pavlovian response of behavior and reward. But I'll get back to this.

Those that are able to see the difference between facial expressions and body language are... good observers. Body language in dogs is very easy to understand. Animals that have to interact with others can see aggression in body language, and facial expressions, such as baring teeth with chimps, also have subtle connotations that we also perceive. This isn't extraordinary behavior in the least, it is a part of their innate ability to read another being and assess how they will react, the danger they present, or otherwise.

The sense of humor bit is a particularly obvious case of anthropomorphizing animal behavior, because a sense of humor implies something that is not necessarily present within the animal. We all know senses of humor within human behavior, but for an animal, this sense of humor is what we think it to be and assimilate it to, not necessarily what is actually happening. Think back to the penguins. When they "cuddle", we see some great form of bond and physical intimacy. But if they're simply learning the other's pheromones, suddenly the magic is lost.

Now, about the training. I volunteer at the Long Marine Lab, one of the world's greatest research facilities on the cognitive ability of marine mammals. We have the world's only captive northern elephant seal, researchers pioneered the training of sea otters, and one of the world's most "intelligent" animals is Rio, a Californian sea lion. Rio was raised in captivity and has undergone extensive learning programs since the beginning, and at 22, is essentially Sea Lion college level. Now, the research they conduct on Rio's ability to remember letters, symbols, associating them, complex instructions and directives, complex grammar issues, all in a language previously foreign, is astounding. What it tells us is that the adaptability and capacity to learn of many animals, like you mentioned, has been extremely underestimated, and we are only now beginning to break the surface on just how complex their interactions are with their environment, with each other, and their ability to learn from new situations. Some will call this intelligence, and intelligence it is, as opposed to something that is incapable of learning.

However, where I differ with you, and what you jump to in your last sentence, is the difference between the ability to learn as intelligence, and sentience and reasoning behind the very fact of learning... It is the difference between learning, and teaching to learn.

The way the dolphins, otters and sea lions are trained is called bridge and target. The bridge is something, like a whistle, or a call, that signals that they have done something correctly, and that food is coming. The target is what they need to touch to get the bridge signal. Now, the training is very complicated from there, but the premise is still the same. You train the animal to respond to various signals with a behavior that will get them a reward. Now, with dolphins, there are instances where they seem to do the behavior for the sole purpose of pleasing their trainers, as they don't necessarily receive a reward. But they are responding to stimuli we have taught them to respond to, they do not intuitively do it once a signal comes, the first time ever. So, their ability to learn from us as we teach them is incredible and amazing. Some would say this adaptability is a testament to a higher creative power. But intelligence that invents, it isn't. These dolphins for example have been trained to jump and touch a ball some 10 feet out of the water. They could easily jump into adjoining pools when they are separated to mess with the trainers. But they don't. Even when the other animal is getting food and we know they're communicating that one has food and the other doesn't. That is because they have not been trained to.

Animal intelligence is associated with the behavior that us humans have in our inquiry as to why we should even do anything at all, and the reasoning behind it, the idea of mortality and our separateness from nature in some degree as ones who change what Nature even means. That animals can reason, in terms of a + b = c, along lines familiar to us makes sense. However animals do not reason like we do when a = b, b = c, thus a = c. We are aware of our actions along lines much deeper then any animal. This is why we continuously try to associate our actions with the natura, to find some reaosn for their very existence.

Just like the octopus who perchance figured out how to open the bottle by trying to get inside the hole in the lid and now knows how to get the crab every time, animals can learn. But it is only when the animal gets the crab and puts a trap for the human, knowing they will inevitably retrieve the bottle, that you could consider it "intelligence" as ours.

 
lil G you are seriously an idiot, how the hell is he protecting our right to be on here? terrorists are no real threat to us, I support the military, but this guy is almost as much of an idiot as you are.
 
yes because there arent people who signed up for the military long before iraq was even an issue right? fucking idiot. id say its a fair assumption that over half of the men in iraq are there because they have to be, not because they want to be. what would you like them to do if they dont want to go? accept a dishonorable discharge and have their life get completely fucked over? stop making such ridiculous generalizations about the men fighting to keep YOUR freedoms possible. im sure a lot of them think that the war is pointless, but they still do it because they have some sense of pride in their fucking country.
 
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you dont even know if it was real you dumbass. And if it were, how would u know if it were scared? Could u see through the fast motion and graininess of that vid and look into its eyes to see if it was scared. The thing didn't even move at any point during that, im sayin its fake. And puppies dying compared to humans dying is a no brainer u ass clown.
 
WHY THE FUCK WOULD ANYONE MAKE A FAKE VIDEO OF THIS!? YOU SEE THE RESPONSE, PEOPLE WANT THIS GUY DEAD. WHY ONE EARTH WOULD ANYONE RUIN THEIR

ENTIRE LIFE OVER SUCH A STUPID IDEA? BTW SOLDIERS DONT HAVE TIME TO FASHION FAKE ANIMALS AND SPEND HOURS EDITING VIDEO.
 
As an FYI, if the dude doesn't care about killing a puppy, he probably doesn't give a shit about what people think of him, especially pissed teenagers on the internet.
 
at least you admit it. haha and kind of ironic pic. now imagine what kind of sick fuck would throw that thing off a cliff
 
dude we are nothing more than and extension of the evolution of intelligence. Chimpanzees are fascinated by mirrors. They will spend hours looking at themselves, touching their face, realizing what they are. We are not the only animals to be self concious.

We cannot understand everything that a dog is thinking, but for the same reason, a dog cannot understand everything a person is thinking.

An animal will only be as smart as it has to be in order to survive and reproduce successfully.

Humans are as smart as they have to be in order to function socially in a complex world filled with other humans, otherwise they would not be able to survive and reproduce.

chimpanzees also have the ability to decieve others, an individual chimpanzee understands what he knows is not necessarily known to other chimps, so he will use that to his advantage.

your totally wrong about pretty much everything here.

and the thing about how humans need reasons for behavior is totally retarded.

HUMANS BEHAVE THE WAY THEY DO TO FULFILL PSYCHOLOGICAL URGES TO DO WHATEVER IT IS THEY DO. LEARNING, TALKING TO OTHER HUMANS, POSTING ON NEWSCHOOLERS, ETC... ARE ALL GOVERNED BY THE REWARD SYSTEM IN THE HUMAN BRAIN EXACTLY THE SAME WAY THAT EATING, SLEEPING AND FUCKING ARE PART OF THE REWARD SYSTEM OF ANIMALS WITH LESS DEVELOPED BRAINS.

Humans are not above animals in any FUNDAMENTAL way

 
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