the world is becoming a fucked up place

There is so much good in the world, but We hide from it in the cities.

You know why? It's very simple:

Shiny THings. THink about it. What drives our lives? our desire to succed? The whole time, the porsche is hanging, like a lure. Look around your room...how many shiny things can you see? you like all of them don't you.

FISH LIKE SHINY THINGS!

but the world wasn't made for fish

Activism without chaos? or Chaos without activism?

 
im with nickskier, especially all them in china. they need to slow down because their the ones fucking it up. and their too smart their makin me look bad.

 
what makes u think the world wasnt made for fish, im not saying it was, but why do u think it was made for us anymore than for fish, our culture has the idea that man was made to conquer the world or actually the universe, we say that we wont get there because were fundamentally flawed, but thats not true, theres lots of lifestyles that accomidate our 'flaws' perfectly

MICHIGAN

High north 2003, session 1
 
im just using them as an example to argue my point, t could have been deer, mice, goats, or cows for all i care.

MICHIGAN

High north 2003, session 1
 
You know what needs to slow down?

The Western World's use of the WORLD's resources.

Maybe couples in Canada and the US should be having fewer children...?

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hey lois... diareha

 
the kids thing is a problem.... schools are getting over crowded and then that means the learning system is gettin messed up cuz of too many kids but one thing i have noticed ive always been at piece when im in the woods or around nature

 
rightcoastskier would u go to the first page and read my post about 'nature'

MICHIGAN

High north 2003, session 1
 
It's as Ishmael said, The world was made for man, and man was meant to rule it. And we chose to rule it as the gods do, as if we were gods ourselves.

What makes you think the world wasn't made for man?

Activism without chaos? or Chaos without activism?

 
Humans are flawed. The world has always been a messed up place. Look back at any era and you can plainly see pure evil, hatred, and wickedness in one side of the world or the other.

This chaos has constantly been occuring, but one of the problems has been that we as Americans (as well as other nations) have long been completely oblivious to it all.

How easily we forget. After World World II and into the 50's, Americans have forgotten what it was like to truly go through hardships and turmoil. We created a fantasyland among our civiliaztion, completely detached from the rest of the world. In other countries, terrorists and dictators were still massacring, torturing, and raping people by the thousands each day, but we were completely blind to it - too busy with our everyday lives. Still today, that cycle continues. Nothing has changed in the Middle East or Africa, terrorists are still doing what they always have been doing; killing innocent people. Some of us are finally starting to open our eyes to it, but yet most of us are still entirely naive to it.

In America, we live a sheltered life. While we worry about what to wear, millions of people fear for their lives.

Appreciate what you have been given, and try to see things beyond the realm of what's around us. I guess we'll never truly know how good we have it until we've walked a mile in their shoes.

The world is not becoming a screwed up place, it always has been, we've just been blind to it.

Eat. Sleep. Breathe. Ski.

 
i feel like noones listening to me. first your very wrong about ishmael, it says the exact opposite, it says that our culture decided that we were meant to rule the world. thats how we tend to think of it but theres no reason to beleive that it was made for us. and for te guy right above me 'look at any era' try any time before the agricultural revolution, people still had all the 'bad' attributes that you mentioned but they lived in a way that worked, there was still murder, and adultery but things were a lot happier

MICHIGAN

High north 2003, session 1
 
Im not wrong about ishmael. Im not arguing that the world was made for man, Im saying that thats how our culture has played it out.

damn straight it's always been fucked.

and samck - What works = Hapiness?

Activism without chaos? or Chaos without activism?

 
samck89. I'm making a very simple point here, but amazingly you are missing it completely.

people still had all the 'bad' attributes that you mentioned but they lived in a way that worked, there was still murder, and adultery but things were a lot happier

Sure, there have been societies that worked and some of the people may have been 'happier'. But it's superficial. It doesn't last. A utopia will not ever exist on earth. And how do you know that they were much happier than people today, have you lived with them? Have you met them? But that's besides the point.. what I'm saying is simple; The world has always been 'a fucked up place'. If not at one point in time, then at another, and if not at one geographic location then at another.

Eat. Sleep. Breathe. Ski.

 
I apologize, I came off a little rude there.

I think you simply misunderstood the point I was trying to make. no big deal.

Eat. Sleep. Breathe. Ski.

 
im having trouble geting my point across on the computer, but anyways, i said that a little wrong, they were still unhappy, but a 'leaver' life style, especially tribal is usually much more fulfilling, the ratio of calories expended to calories obtained is much higher in our sciety. people feel like they have more purpose. and about being happier, if u look at tribal peoples of any time period there is much less crime, and drug addiction than in our society, that usually can be linked to happyness in some way.

the reason there ways work better for the most part is that when they try something that doesnt work they walk away and try something new, we seem to think that we have the right way t live and thats worth hanging onto at all costs, year after year we have new programs and legislation to 'save the earth' but if u think about it have programs like these ever succeded in changing people or our situation, they slow the distruction slightly, but why when something didnt work last year do we decide that we should just do more this year, why not try something new?

MICHIGAN

High north 2003, session 1
 
there has allways been hate in the world and it will never go away ..... but why cant we be like the other animals in the world .. ive never seen two ant hills have neuclear wars on eatchother

i hear in the next 20 years all the fish in the world will be dead because of how badly we pollute the water every day, so basically unless we all move to mars were fucked royaly because the ice caps will melt or the o zone layer will dissapear or some horable stuff like that

and what am i gonna do about it ????????? nothing cause im too lazy to get off my ass (thats also one of the things that makes us human )

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my one friend was pushed into a pole and he riped his sack open on impact now we call him stitchie

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whether you see rome's use of slaves as positive or negative, rome was an enormous imperial power. a shit load of people died, it was a pretty bloodthirst empire. you have to kill a lot of people to control that much land.

the white n word

Alpinecowboy84 is a fucking fag
 
something big is gonna happen, over my dead body.

the world has always been 'fucked up'

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my theory is in a few decades, centuries, whatever, (and keep in mind, this coming from a fuckwad thats never been exposed to any culture other than 'american culture') therell be so much advertising and shit in your face every minute of the day telling you who and how to be that a thing like human nature wont even be fround on the shores of an undiscovered island, and well need it by then, were already beggining to develop an unsatisfiable appetite for all the bullshit you see watching commericals, and its much more than commercials already, you see about 1500 ads a day they say, maybe more, but people are too blind to see this, or they just turn their heads, condemn a conservative, never, and when this happens, it will only lead to the king of all shits to hit the fan, and well be livin in one of those grim outlook on the future movies

Fuck You
 
bottom line: spred the word of what you have learned to others.

thats the only hope..

Activism without chaos? or Chaos without activism?

 
its deff most efed up now. america runs the world and everyone living there is completly ignorent. millions die every day from various causes but sending robots to mars is more important than help 3rd world countries out of poverty and war. thats for sure

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dont get it twisted
 
^I do kinda have to agree with that. Why the fuck are we spending BILLIONS of dollars sending fucking robots to an uninhabitable rock, when schools are underbudgeted and overcrowded.

VIVA LA FRONTFLIP!
 
ya man. shit poor countries cant help themselves. its up to countries like the US and Canada to help out. so what if we spen billions helping these countries not suck. i would rather live in a world were everyone could get by, including myself, than one were the ritch stay ritch and the poor get dead. homless people in our countries still live better than 50% of the worlds population.

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dont get it twisted
 
^I dont think you understand, Canada and the U.S. need just as much help as other counntries. So many people are becoming addicted to drugs that it scares the shit out of me. I'm not gonna deny the fact that I smoke weed pretty much everty day but i know of so many people who are getting sucked in to doing drugs. Some kid was over at my friends appartment the other day and he's been on speed for 6 months. He takes it pretty much every day, over 250 pills so far. He barely sleeps and eats, and his vision is starting to become fucked up. He's basically dying and he's only 17.. He's not the only one like that, basically everyone in that town is on speed and from what im seeing it's highly addictive. The amount of kids taking drugs is increasing rapidly, I honestly don't know many people who haven't done drugs.. Once you do drugs once it becomes easier and easier every time.

I know a lot of you are going to disagree with me and call me an idiot who doesn't know shit, but i have been seeing a lot of shit happening in the last year, I've seen it all happen. I'm only 18 and most of my friedns are now pretty hardcore into the drug world. I'm not going to go into everything that they do and what's happened, but trust me it's pretty hardcore!

 
But yeah, the world isn't only becoming fucked up because of drugs.. Everyone is only interested in making themselves rich. Everything is about money and power.

 
a plague wouldnt do us any good, it would just knock us back some, it would delay our inevitable destruction, but it wouldnt be that big of a deal, in like 40 years wed be back at like 6 billion

'hey can i have a butload of cash?... NO'

Johnny d in the cribs segment of 1242

 
i wish a plague would hit skipimps_ place so i wouldnt have to listen to his comments... god man..fish?

w.m.h
 
nick ur ideas sound a lot like hitler's, about weeding out all the stupid people, and who decides who gets to have kids or not, u?

'hey can i have a butload of cash?... NO'

Johnny d in the cribs segment of 1242

 
Samck: while i agree with some of your points, you need to organize them more effectively. This talk about tribal communities being more peaceful 'modern' societies - it is simply untrue. Have you taken an anthopology course? I am an anthropology major. You clearly have some very incorrect assumptions about tribal societies in general. I'm not going to write pages about this, because no one is going to want to read it but, you need to look into the Yanomamo tribe of south america. Violence and tribal warfare has long been a pivotal part of thier society. There are countless other tribes as well.

In terms of all this talk about humans being flawed and violent and evil. I think what you have all missed is that humans are concious of themselves. When humans became self aware, religion was introduced and morals were developed. When you see rabid seagulls attacking each other over some rotten road kill, you think nothing of it, other than it might be funny. Humans literally are animals, and i doubt any of you view animals as flawed. Just try to see humans as being more complex.

the white n word

Alpinecowboy84 is a fucking fag
 
whoops, that's supposed to be: *more peaceful than 'modern' societies*. god, humans are flawed.

the white n word

Alpinecowboy84 is a fucking fag
 
nah, I agree with Niceskier, there are definalty MANY people in this world that should not be allowed to have children. But how are you gonna stop them.

 
you guys sound like hitler and to the other guy your right i havent taken any anthropology courses, ive been thinking about anthropology for college in a few years, but for now im only 14, anyways, your right, my thoughts here are very unorganized, i never have the time, or the patience to sit down and put it all together properly, and what i said about it being less violent to live tribally, that was a misstatement, what i meant was that they fight, but you don't see wars like in or culture, daniel quinn draws it out nicely in ishmael about how most tribes play a metaphorical game, called erratic retaliotor, the rules are give as good as you get, but don't be too predictable, this means when somebody attacks you you attack back, but sometimes you just attack to be unpredictable, its like constant low level warfare. the reason our lifestyle caught on wasnt because it was easier or more enjoyable, but because the people in it had decided that it was 'the' right way to live, and because our lifestyle creates food surpluses we had unlimited resources to fight the tribal people, so we decided to play 'ANIALATOR' (shit spelling) if a regular tribe decides to play anialator its no big deal, the rest of the tibes get to gether and play anialator untill that tribe is gone, but when your playing anialator against a tribe with unlimited resources, you lose.

the point i was trying to convey by saying that it was less violent was that it is for the most part more fulfilling, and produces happier people that feel purposefull

'hey can i have a butload of cash?... NO'

Johnny d in the cribs segment of 1242

 
You guys are right, North Americans shouldn't have the ability to have children. No but wait, you aren't implying that.. it's those damn chinks isn't it!

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haha.. diareha

hey lois... diareha

 
well you obviously know about something. your topic is interesting. do yourself a favor and never sell yourself short by saying 'i'm only 14,' because that is a load of shit.

the white n word

Alpinecowboy84 is a fucking fag
 
whats a load of shit?

'hey can i have a butload of cash?... NO'

Johnny d in the cribs segment of 1242

 
you can talk about this for days and weeks. but what you ahve to realize is that the world runs on one giant cycle. examples: 200 years of the pax romana to the fall of rome, peace all over the world to WWI peace for another period of time to WWII then vietnam and the cold war. then we in america were fine for almost 10 years when the world trade centers get planes flown into them which brought on the campaigns in Afghanistan and Iraq. Once the whole situation in Iraq is done with there will peace and then more problems. eventually America as a world power will fall, not in our lifetimes but in the future. just think about it for 2 seconds.

 
what does that hgave to do with our discussion

'hey can i have a butload of cash?... NO'

Johnny d in the cribs segment of 1242

 
i didnt actually reaed any of the replies because im lazy i just went rite to the end, and made up something that mite sound smart

 
i didnt actually reaed any of the replies because im lazy i just went rite to the end, and made up something that mite sound smart

 
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