The USA is going to war with Iran

yup because bush didnt run the debt up to 9T before he left, and we weren't in an inevitable shit hole before housing prices bubbled, and bush didn't raise the debt ceiling 5 times, and we havent fought countless meaningless wars dating back 60+ years

I dont support Obama but man it kills me when people blindly repeat what hannity or o'riely say about him when bush did the exact same thing for 8 years-and no republicans bitched once
 
Jesus Lordy... Just stop. Stop mounting a crusade in defence of your logic when logic itself clearly escapes you. I can't believe i'm even humouring this. However you seem to think that your 'reason' deserves a response worth effort. Here goes. here's a novel please read carefully.

You generalize: You often assume quotes and statements out of context and take complicated problems with multiple complex shades of grey and reduce them to simple black and white assertions. For example you have just supported an argument which couches the entire Iran-Syria-Lebanon Shia/ crescent relationship together with the U.S.- Israeli relationship in a mano-a-mano conflict in which the sides are both apparant and antagonistically opposed to each other. This is just not the case. These two 'blocs' lets call them, though relatively politically and religiously oriented, are such complex organisms that you cannot possibly make an assumption about the future events based solely on political juxtaposition. yes there is politics and posturing, but there are other considerations: the world economy, the human condition, morals and ethics, international opinion, Youtube and facebook (as part of world inter-connectedness and government accountability) civil rights, civil protest. All these things are factors working against each of these countries doing exactly what you state they ARE CERTAIN to do. One does not simply go to war. Similarly, Iran does not simply launch a bomb or mount an attack for some idealistic crusade. One man does not have that power in these nations. Even Ahmendinejad is accountable to his Ayatollah. You think the World economic embargo isn't changing the everyday Iranian's opnion of the government?? (Look up the Iranian Chicken protests. yes chicken protests. the price of chicken has people up in arms against the government)

Reducio ad absurdum: You follow a chain of events to its seemingly 'logical' conclusion simply because each step along the way seems to make sense and follows the other. Really, at each further step the chance of the whole process happening as described is less likely because its preceding step hasnt even happened yet. Iran has said this, Syria is doing that. America and Israel are in cahoots over this and that. So it must follow that this will occur. Once this occurs it is only logical that this will occur.... so on and so forth. Nothing is inevitable. I cant stress that enough. It goes without saying that a NATO which can't even make a decision about intervention in Syria isnt about to attack Iran. Might Israel? maybe but I can guarentee the Israeli public wouldnt stand for it.. which brings up the third point:

You dont 'know' anything: Sounds offensive right? Well you don't. have you been to Israel? have you been to Iran or Syria? Whats your level of expertise in inter-governmental affairs, political science, history or anything? What have you experienced first-hand? Nothing. Just what the internet and media have told you. I guarentee that scholars who make their living travelling to these places, speaking the languages and who have personal links to this kind of politics can't even figure this out. What do you know that they don't? That is why this is a freeskiing website, not a political website yet you are getting worked up over out apparant ignorance when the ignorance is yours alone. We at least ADMIT we don't know enough to conjecture but you cant because as the next point states you seem to be...

Emotionally invested in your argument: You are not objective. You think you are because your 'evidence' reads that way. But you are not. Several of your statements make this obvious. Your defense of conservative thought (admirable though it is for I am also a conservative) agaisnt legions of liberal newschoolers immediately puts a chip on your shoulder which mentally puts you at odds to everyone else's point of view instead of being receptive to criticism. You easily turn this around on us and say no, because we are conforming to a view it is us who rejects you. NO MY FRIEND we are conforming to a view opposite yours because for the above mentioned reasons your view is skewed, wrong, personal, un-informed, ignorant, and illogical. Please take this as an indication that you cannot make headway with this view and cannot hope to find support. Your efforts to do so are useless.

Please NS, if anyone gave a shit enough to read this (I don't judge for a second if you didn't) Sound off and agree. Let RocksHead5280 know how very very WRONG he is.

Let the following be your judge.
 
What? Seriously? I typically don't fit the definition of a liberal, and this is me disagreeing with a lot of what you've said. You aren't playing dumb just to get attention as you've childishly claimed to hide your stupidity, you literally believe things like US military is good for the economy because it creates jobs.

The military is an expensive necessity to ensure national defense, not an investment for capital gain. It cost WAY more than it's members put back into the economy, and the money they earn is a product of the economy as it is. You are defending military spending with the same exact logic you just criticized Obama for using.

This is an example of being hypocritical, ignorant, and uneducated, but speaking very loudly as if it somehow impresses the idea that you know what you're talking about.
 
So.......you think unemployment and federal debt can be fixed by increasing government spending? You know what you sound like?

Obama.

This is called irony, it's definition can also be found on Wikipedia.
 
This could very well be.

America should break their ties with Israel, one of the worst countries in the world. Fucking Israel is dragging you into this shit. Israel has absolutely NO right to invade Iran because they allegedly are going to make nuclear weapons.

Thing is, Israel doesn't have anywhere near enough weapons or forces to attack Iran. They KNOW however that the US is going to back them, which is a scary fucking though.
 
I see the irony in what I said, but military jobs created by government spending is different because a job in the military is an actual full-time job and can be for as long as one makes it. Where as other federally created jobs are very temporary, for example they'll create construction jobs to make a road, but then those jobs will vanish when the road is complete leaving those workers back where they started (unemployed).
 
My friends dad works for the SS and you are full of shot and have no clue what you are talking about. I am not even going to take the time to point out everything wrong with this statement.
 
Keep calling me ignorant or stupid people. Its my belief and thats that.
"I always cheer up immensely if an attack is particularly wounding because I think, well, if they attack one personally, it means they have not a single political argument left."
 
"In most communities it is illegal to cry "fire" in a crowded assembly. Should it not be considered serious international misconduct to manufacture a general war scare in an effort to achieve local political aims?" - Dwight D. Eisenhower

 
LOLOLOL

THERE was an add next to this said "muslima.com"

idk I thought it matched, even if iranians aren't muslim, but I make assumptions because I'm from america, and americans make assumptions
 
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