The USA is going to war with Iran

BravoWhiskey5280

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Believe or not, but war with Iran is now going to be inevitable and the US cant do anything about it. Heres an article with all the details. Note that the source is completely un-biased and has no hidden commitment towards any political party, ideology, or person in any way, shape, or form. Now read it if you know whats good for you.

The months of negotiations with the six world powers were happily used by Iran for great strides toward bringing its nuclear weapon program to fruition. Tehran’s back-channel dialogue with Washington leading up to the negotiations served the same purpose. Since diplomacy ran aground, war has become inevitable and preparations for cutting short Iran’s rapid progress have accelerated.
Former Israeli Mossad director Ephraim Halevi commented to the New York Times Thursday, Aug. 2, that if he was an Iranian he would be very worried in the next 12 weeks.
Developments in Iran and the region at large are generating the current eve-of-war climate in the Middle East:1. While Saeed Jalili communed at leisure with Catherine Ashton in world capitals, uranium enrichment levels in Iran crept past 20 percent in expanded quantities. The six powers are understandably reluctant to admit that in the time bought by negotiations, Iran was able to refine uranium up to 30-percent grade or even a higher and go into advanced preparations for 65 percent grade enrichment. Now the Iranians are well on the way to an 80-90 percent weapons grade.
The talk in Tehran about the need for nuclear-powered ships and submarines offered a fictitious pretext for crossing that threshold. Iran is not about to build those vessels or engines for lack of technology, materials and infrastructure. But nuclear-powered ships’ engines require the same highly-enriched uranium (90 percent) as bombs.2. Iran has launched a crash mega-fortification program for sheathing in steel and concrete nuclear facilities whose transfer to underground “immune zones” for escaping bombardment would be too costly, cumbersome and time consuming.
If the US and Israel leaves Iran alone to complete this project, they will have forfeited the opportunity of pre-empting Iran’s nuclear program – only inflicting partial and temporary damage at best.
3. President Barack Obama is under very heavy pressure from Saudi Arabia and other Gulf oil states to waste no more time and destroy that program without further shilly-shallying.
4. Riyadh, Doha and Abu Dhabi tried to achieve that objective indirectly by massively backing the Syrian revolt against Tehran’s best friend Bashar Assad in the hope that his fall would stop the Iranians in their tracks. They never came close: Assad is still fighting tenaciously and his army is in intact after 17 months.5. Instead of capitulating to the odds against the Syrian ruler, Tehran increased its military stake in Assad’s battles.
DEBKAfile’s military sources say that without Iran’s lavish and timely air and ground supply corridors, the Syrian army would have long since run out of arms for defending the Assad regime against revolt.
The Gulf governments are therefore forced to accept that their plans to weaken Iran by toppling Assad have backfired in more ways than one.
6. Turkey and Iraq, each for its own reasons, are letting Iranian arms pass through their territories to Damascus, a move which is counter-productive to Gulf interests on the Middle East keyboard. Ankara, in particular, hosts rebel command centers and training camps with one hand, while, with the other, lets arms shipments through to Assad’s army for destroying those same rebels the moment the cross into Syria.
7. UN, American and European sanctions have failed to drive Tehran into giving up its nuclear program, as even the White House admitted Wednesday, Aug. 1, or slowed down its development of ballistic missiles capable of delivering nuclear warheads.8. US and Israeli intelligence experts agree that Iran will be able to produce dirty bomb within three months, ready to hand out to the terrorist networks run by the Revolutionary Guards external clandestine arm, the Al Quds Brigades. They are designed for use in time of war against Israelis abroad and Americans in the Persian Gulf and Middle East. Israel fears the radioactive bombs will find their way to Tehran’s surrogates, the Lebanese Hizballah or the Palestinian Islamic Jihad.9. Those experts also agree that the Tehran-sponsored terrorist campaign against Israel has already begun. Launched by Hizballah or the Al Quds Brigades, it is expected to gain impetus. The July 18 attack in the Bulgarian town of Burgas, in which five Israelis and a Bulgarian were killed, is seen as the precursor of more attacks whose dimensions will expand in a way that forces Israel to retaliate.
 
If you feel that the US shouldn't act like the world police in this situation than you should go climb into a closest for how ever long this campaign is going to take because the fact of the matter is that were going to be wether you like it or not.
The president of Iran has publicly said that he'd like to "wipe the USA off the face of the map" and that man now has the power to do so. I am one who personally believes that now is the time to call his bluff because why even take the chances to see if he is indeed bluffing or not. To the people that are against this, do you not know what'd happen if we found out that he wasn't bluffing........ Yeah, no good
 
The quote you used is wrong. Firstly, the subject of that quote was Israel, not the US. Secondly, many different sources have claimed that this quote is a mistranslation. Thirdly, "that man now has the power to do so"?!?! there is absolutely no way you can prove that statement. the article you posted claims that they could be able to build a dirty bomb in 3 months, a dirty bomb is not going to wipe either the USA or Israel off the map.
 
And so what if it is dirty like you suggest it may be, its not like a dirty bomb detonated in the US or in Israel isn't going to kill anyone...... Its still a fucking big ass bomb regardless of it being "dirty" or not. And even if Israel is the subject of that quote, it doesn't change the fact that the USA shouldn't stop Iran.
 
-sure, a dirty bomb isnt something you'd want to be used, but you claimed that iran had the power to wipe the USA off the map, which is just untrue.

-"big ass bomb", not really, the principle of a dirty bomb is a relatively small, non-nuclear explosion that when detonated spreads radioactive material in the surrounding area.

-you're right, IF iran is working on a nuclear weapons programme, it should probably be stopped. but that doesnt mean the USA has to go to war with Iran. The USA and Russia managed to avoid out and out war throughout the cold war (there were so called proxy wars in vietnam and korea, you could say that the fighting in Syria may be a proxy war between the US and Iran, or perhaps the attacks on US backed Israel by Iranian backed terrorist groups) so im pretty confident in the ability of US diplomats to negotiate this issue without risking anybodies safety.

whatever happens, posting about it on NS isnt going to change anything, so just relax.
 
Just telling like it is.... Something that doesn't seem to exist this day in age, especially in the White House who apparently wont admit that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel... If they told it like it is than they'd say that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel because it is 100% the legitimate capital of Israel......nothing more and nothing less.
 
Someone has common sense here thank you!

You said we are going to war weather we like it or not. Sorry I didn't realize you were a geo political science consultant or had a background, you interpreted an article it doesn't make you an expert. Could it happen? Sure. is it sure fire thing? Absolutely not
 
watch the show jericho, its on netflix, end of the world nuclear war shit, its not interesting untill the last couple of episodes in the first season but it could be real so before you go throwing this shit on newschoolers, think about the end results. dumb ignorant fucking douche bag.
 
What Im trying to say is that war with Iran is now completely out of our hands... The cards are in the hands of Iran and of Syria and its up to them how they are going to play them... Now all of the signs right now show that they are playing them as if we are going to war because Syria has said that they are going to use chemical weapons and it has been proven that they have moved these weapons into Lebanon and they said that they'd move them there if they were ever going to use them on Israel. Obama himself has said that if they were to use them than they would pay the price by the means of the US blowing them up to bits and pieces as a result. Now this is where Iran comes into play because Iran has said that they would fully back Syria with their military if this happens seeing as how they are allies, so it makes sense.
So theres that and the fact that our Sec. of Defense is in Israel right now, Mitt Romney was just in Israel, and the fact that the CIA has the most spies in Israel that they have ever had in one country at one point. There is also the fact that the CIA spies and the spies from the Israeli Intelligent Agency are at each others throats right now because we don't know if Israel is going to do this in a time that differs from when they told us they are, and by this I mean blow up Iran's nuclear facilities (which they said is going to happen, question is when).
 
so how exactly do you know the location of American spies, and their interactions with israeli spies?

Did the CIA finally released their secret spytracker app?

You sound like the type of person who is probably typing this from within a bunker. Oh and Iran's "means" of bombing the US with a nuke would probably consist of putting it on a ship and trying to drag it ashore during the night. They don't have the capability to hit the united states.
 
My bad, I didn't know that you weren't allowed to have a view on foreign policy without being "dumb ignorant fucking douche bag" for not watching a show on netflix. Reality alert mother fucker, not every person has a netflix account. I also wasn't aware that throwing this shit on newschoolers was a bad thing. Just thought that some would like to know because its not like there isn't a huge civil war going on in Syria right now or anything. Lastly, its not like I am encouraging war, but I do realize that it is a very plausible possibility and I feel that the chances of it happening are more likely than not based off of what I have read and heard about.
If you wanted to know how I felt about whats going on and the region its going on then I would of told you. Why I didn't tell you is because I know that a lot of the people on here wouldn't agree with what I have to say but thats besides the fact because all I told you was whats going on.
If you really wanted to know what I think than I"d tell you that I think that we should just let the muslims wipe themselves out because you already know that who ever we help will just turn there backs on us in the long run. Its not like it hasn't ever happened before ya know.
 
Sorry, I should of given a little background info. One of the many jobs my dad has has to do with selling the training that the Israeli secret service gets here in the US. His informant whom is his business partner in Israel (a guy in the Israeli secret service) has told him this. Its not like this is confidential information though, there are plenty of articles about it online so go look for it if you don't believe me.
 
oil was up over 4% before, has come down a bit in the past few minutes, Get in DIG or USO, to make some money when oil heads back over the 100$barrel norm after we invade Iran.

Everyone knows the US is going to start another war. Its been to quiet the last 18 months in terms of overseas violence and nation building-without war our economy really isn't based on any, perpetual war that's what we're about right?
 
uhhh....I'd say our economy is the way it is because of the constant fighting. Without wars we wouldn't be dumping billions of dollars into our military and maybe the U.S. could focus on paying back that enormous pile of debt we have acquired...
 
This thread sucks.

"America is going to war and this biased article that has no sources and out-of-context quotes PROVES it!"

Any human with half a brain knows that the U.S. isn't stupid enough to challenge one of the best defensive armies in the world over something that Iran doesn't even have and won't have for another decade at the very least.

The ignorance is mind-blowing in this thread.
 
while I do agree with part of what you are saying here, you are still a fuckin idiot.

A decade at the very least? You must be stupid.
 
well i took the time to read more haha now i just look like a fucking idiot, maybe i took it a little too far, but to title it as you did was unreasonable, reading the post above this, it makes sense what you are saying, but do you really think that obama is just going to blow them up? i fucking hate government so yeah my opinion doesnt matter what so ever but all i was saying before is its more serious than you think, this is what you know, but what is really going on? i had a teacher last year before i graduated and he always had us thinking what is the truth? I understand why you would post this, to alert us and expect feedback which you are getting plenty of, but how reliable is what you posted? im one who only believes what i see literally because the worlds fucked up, so in a less agressive tense, i ask you was it smart to just assume this?
 
like i said, watch that show, it may just be tv, but its very real, a bomb may not obliterate the entire US, but how it will affect america is another story.
 
of course I was trying to be sarcastic, guess it did come across in type haha. I'm totally for a military which is only defensive, then use that money to pay off debt and help with infrastructure, schoolings, healthcare...

Without a doubt we are a 'military industrial complex' though as much as i hate the buz word. Without war say good buy to huge companies like, HAL, BA, LMT, GD, RTN...you get the idea
 
Iran would never attempt to bomb the U.S. They may attempt to bomb Israel though, which they most likely have enough common sense to know if they even attempted to do so, Israel would blow Iran off of the face of the earth. And, Israel won't even let Iran get to the stage where they can make the choice to bomb or not to, they will most likely make an attempt to stop the Iranian nuclear building process again, and will probably succeed this time.
 
Wrong. The US economy is the way it is because of the people with outstanding credit debt and because of the banks that allowed them to rack up this much debt. That and the people who bought houses despite not having no where near the amount of cash in their bank accounts to pay for the mortgages on those houses. The billions we spend on the military is also nothing compared to the trillions Obama spends on other useless shit.
 
Yeah that former U.N. weapons inspector who actually got to look at Iran's enrichment program must be really stupid...

You do know that those guys go around doing talks at universities, right? but nah, you probably know better than he does.

Keep on believing what the media tells you and NEVER look at any other outside sources...

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Middle-East/2011/1109/Iran-nuclear-report-Why-it-may-not-be-a-game-changer-after-all

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4134614.stm

There are many other sources, some more informative and legitimate than I posted but half the fun of critical thinking and research is that you get to do it on your own!

Isn't it funny how preemptive wars always seem to work out? So glad we took those WMDs from Iraq cause that was a close one! Whew!
 
c'mon man you think US is going to war with Iran? by doing that they inevitably jeopardize the Strait of Hormuz which is where about 20% of the worlds oil goes through, war with Iran isn't gonna happen bro
 
you miss the point here. its iran, you think they dont have shit hidden that no one has seen.... if you dont think they do you are fucking dumb. so yes you are a fucking dumb.

the US does the same shit. We said we got rid of a bunch of nukes, you dont think they just went and hid them in some underground bunker somewhere for when WWIII goes down??

Like get with it dude, the news and inspectors dont know shit because they dont see everything.

 
Dear OP. You are a blockheaded retard. Your level of ignorance astounds me. Never in the history of intelligent discussion have I ever witnessed a person so incapable of grasping subtleties. You are a monument to stupidity. An old mattress sitting in an abandoned dumpster is more capable of absorbing intelligent thought than you. Your inflexibility rivals that of a 16 year old virgin in Victorian England. You cannot be wrong and it is inconcievable that your opinion be challanged. You are challenged. This website would be better off without your opninion but that doesn;t matter because we are going to hear it anyway and at length. You get off on picking fights. You get off alone, sad, wrong, and blind to it. Go away.
 
"Well shit, turns out they didn't have any WMD's either! But what are we going to do with all that oil?"
 
You're obviously entitled to your own opinion, but after reading this whole thread I'd honestly suggest you step back and try to be a little more accepting of other ideas. You are extremely one sided and thick skulled, which translates to an inability to notice fault in your own reason. There are tons of things I'd like to debate with you, but you've made it plainly clear that you aren't capable of flexing your own convictions and would like recite more quotes from the internet (maybe more incorrect ones?).

Just saying, be a bit more humble and you'll learn more. It's okay to be wrong or to at the very least consider a different viewpoint.
 
I would think that if Iran wanted to piss us off they would find a way to close access to the Strait of Hormuz, watch world gas prices shoot through the roof, and then accept it when the Navy forces them to cut that out.

Not spend another 10 years catching up to North Korea, and we've seen how effective their program is.
 
Fuck, OP you're one ignorant dumb dude. I would try and argue with you, but I would be wasting my breath. Thank god you're not and won't ever be involved with the government, you would burn the world down.
 
Based on this quote, I am going to go ahead and disregard everything else you have said in this entire thread. The US military takes 20% of the entire federal budget. Thats 700+ billion dollars. Not exactly chump change man
 
Other way around in my mind. The majority of the people on this site are liberal wouldn't you agree? So every time some one like me says anything that goes against what they have to believe than they are the ones who act like "blockheaded retards" in my mind. I've said it in previous threads and I'll say it here, Im always open to new ideas or ideas that contradict mine but they have to try and convince me in order to and that is something that has happened on few occasions. 90% of the time I say something and people shoot it down immediately by simply saying you're not intelligent, or you're too stupid to know, etc... Yeah maybe I've been a little too harsh, but Im just giving everyone else a taste of there own medicine so they can see how it is for the minorities on this site and it looks like its working. So maybe we can both change since you now see how we've had it for the many years I've been on this site.
You say that I don't know how to argue, but no one on this site does because a good argument refutes the other sides good points and no one ever does that. Having good rhetoric is something I know and usually implement in my writing up until as of late. I stopped because of the simple fact that everyone who goes against what I have to believe does not use good rhetoric when trying to tell me why I am wrong. I got tired of it, so I figured the only way for them to realize how ignorant it makes them look is to do it right back to them.

 
The US is still by far the most superior military power in the world. Sure china is advancing leaps and bounds but their technology and training is still behind ours. Iran however doesnt have a hindus chance in hell of "wiping the US of the map" even if they could create a nuclear weapon their delivery system would be so crude as to be shot down far before it posed any threat. The only way they could effectively achieve delivery would be to use another countries missile. China being the most likeley to let this happen would still not do it because the US is the life blood of the Chinese economy. If China were involved in an attack against the US a trade embargo would be enacted sending China into a massive depression. North korea could be conceivable but they have yet to create a delivery system capable of reaching the US. so essentially all the countries capable of long range nuclear warfare are stable and allies to the US.
 
Think of how many people the military employs in this country, now think about how much it costs to pay all of these people... Not exactly something we can pay with pocket change now is it? And its not exactly a bad thing considering the fact that unemployment is at an all time high. A lot of the dollars that go into the military budget are put back into the economy in a good way.
 
Hello, care to source that gorgeous little piece of literature if it is indeed so unbiased like you claim?
 
You know I dated this crazy chick once who was still convinced that Iraq had WMDs but they just "hid" them somewhere...

Like, get with it duuuuuude. You can't go to war with a country just because you think they may have something going on but without any actual proof.

And that's all disregarding the fact that the Iranian army would cause so much damage to our forces that taking some kind of control of the country would cost too many American lives and our country billions of dollars all over something so incredibly stupid.

You're ignorant.

 
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