The ups and downs of reverse camber, rocker, banana board, etc!

Klick_2_klaim

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disclaimer: this is not a review of the skis I own, theyre just the material I have to talk about.

So Ive had a pair of Reno Rockers for a few months, and have had a chance to put them in pretty much every situation I can think of... with the exception of maybe a big long exposed line reserved for a long hike or a heli trip. Tree's. Jumps, pipe, Pow, crud, slush, bulletproof, steep to flat groomers, rails, boxes, tire jibs, tree bonks, urban, walls, ummm, tracked out, rollers, and anything else you can think of. Ive seen a few pairs of hellbnts out there and have heard a few different reactions to those and to my skis.

People seem to have a pretty sick reaction to my moments mostly cause of the square tips and super gnarly out there top sheet. Once they hear about the rocker side of the ski, they sure seem pretty stoked. But when they see the hellbent, its kind of a mixed reaction. I think they both are very similar since the rocker makes the ski ride so much shorter you can really move them quick in tight trees, so a longer ski can still be ideal. The rockers only come in 181 (or is it 180?) and I think they feel more like a 174... or even shorter maybe?

Nimble, snappy, poppy, sick!

Most people think the rocker would fuck up your pop skills, but I find they work fine, and I can ollie just as high as I can on my ar5's, Probably higher since they are so light, So I would imagine the hellbents to be similar. Same reaction for putting down a big ass gs turn. "I doubt you can really put an edge down" is what most people are saying going up the chair. They couldnt be more wrong though. This isnt a ski that naturally wants to turn you, as most symmetrical skis wont, but Ive been able to lay down a strong arc when Im feeling all gay inside and want to turn. lol One thing I will say though, is that because a large part of your ski isnt touching the ground untill you do decide to turn, its chattering away like crazy, and you get some serious wobbles while traveling mach chicken... Its a liitle scary, not gonna lie. So I have been putting as little edge down as possible to keep the chattering at bay. (im not a big fan of turning, if you havnt been able to tell.)

The one real problem with rockered skis Ive found so far is that in landings that dont have a solid base to land in ie: powder on a strong packed base, or soft packed powder. you will almost always go ass over teakettle when you land. (I dont know where exactly my teakettle is, but my ass seems to always be going over it.) Basically, when you land, your weight isn't distributed over the length of your ski, but rather right under your feet. Being center mounted doesnt help either. (where is the mount on the hellbents? do you with them find this to be the case as well?) thus resulting in you leading with your beak right into the snow. So think of dropping a small cliff or popping off a roller early season when nothing is quite set, and your heels dig in. Its not the greatest thing ever... one the other hand;

Landing switch is sick, you have more control in deep snow having your tail be above the snow at your landing helps a lot. SO in the same soft snow, you will already more than likely land on your toes, push your tips into the gnar, and your tails will be ready to lead you.

Jumps are sick, landings are great, and takeoffs feel the same. I havnt hit any big big tables yet, so I supposed I will comment on that later this week when I can get at some bigger sized bigger speed jumps, but I dont foresee a problem. I dont claim to be good at buttering, but obviously the rocker makes it easier to initiate and hold one out. tip stands are a breeze... and I am slowly learning tip blocks which is neet, but they are challenging and I wouldnt want to try them on a regular non rockered ski.

I think some of the sickest skis will be introduced as this segment grows, and I dont see why it wouldnt, I would love a rockered ski with magna traction one day. (rossi Im looking at you, or lib tech more specifically) Every now and then I will feel a little akward just randomly off a drop or in the air or something because I wasnt centered when I took off, but I suppose that is nt the skis fault right?

All in all, I would have to say to you, newschoolers of the weberverse, go try out some skis with tips that curl up... youll be stoked, I guarantee it.

oh, lastly, I almost forgot rails and boxes, urban, etc... no difference, less hang up coming in because your tips, or tails, depending.. will be above said jib quicker. Go kill it!
 
"The one real problem with rockered skis Ive found so far is that in landings that dont have a solid base to land in ie: powder on a strong packed base, or soft packed powder. you will almost always go ass over teakettle when you land. (I dont know where exactly my teakettle is, but my ass seems to always be going over it.)"

HA THAT SHIT MADE ME CHUCKLE
 
the rockers are fairly soft in the tip and tail, but stiff under foot. I would like to see a little more support on the tail, I find if you land backseat youll wash out fairly easy. But it works well.
 
yeah thats what kind of kept me away from hellbents this year, I figured since they are already rockered and then they are soft then you would always be washing out on landings
 
That isnt really the case. I cant speak for the hellbents, but you just have to be mindfull of your body position, stay square and land normal and there isnt much problem.

just because you might washout every now and then is a pretty bad reason to not give something a try. Even the hellbent rides like a everyday one ski quiver kind of ski. Thats what Ive been hearing from the owners of hellbents.
 
yeah that wasn't the only reason, but I think I might give reno rockers a try next year if I can get on a used pair
 
Solid R&D work. I been thinking about the dynamics of a reverse camber ski for a while now.

I'd love to try a pair at a demo next time.
 
I've got the hell bents. I ski them all the time. In fact I have only been on my Gotamas once this year. The Hell Bents definately get that bouncy tip and tail action. I center mounted mine. I haven't had to make too big of an adjustment as far as landings, maybe a little more forward if anything. I mostly ski back country, pow and cliffs and booters and such. When I do ski frontside It is mostly park, but I haven't really skied much frontside this year, just a few jumps, no rails or boxes yet, but I will soon. I love my Hell Bents!
 
You just have to learn how to land centered on your feet. I have the melees and i am able after a few falls to land fine with everything.
 
It's definatly easier to get the wheelie going but the plus side is that you don't have to land on your ass to not end up tomohawking down the whole run
 
I havnt dropped anything too big. as long as you land as you should whilst hucking your hotdogs, its fine. But if you land backseat it is easier to wash out, or your skis just flex super hard and pop out from under your feet. haha... still though, land right and it doesnt matter. After a little bit you figure it out and you can do whateves and its rad!
 
i totally spaced on the coolest thing about rockered skis... I touched on the whole fall on your face in soft snow thing. Well in the same soft snow if your tips are up, you can use the rocker to your advantage. by pressing down just a little bit youll pop right out of the snow and can do some sweet stunts such as deep snow buttering, and poppy spinning, or even wicked spreaders!

wow. ROCKER ON!
 
You said something about tip diving/like going over the handle bars on pow landings. I think that may be because you're using a skinier ski. My ARGs were soooo money for landing in pow. It felt like i was landing in a big pillow and i was as stable as i would be landing on a groomed face.
 
No I said something about soft snow.

trust me...

Plus the ARG's are a different beast all together. My rockers, and hellbents are based on regular skis, so when you land in some snow that isnt blower, or is soft packed you land right on your heels and all your weight is put right under your feet, then your ski from the toe piece up flexes up and you sort of just roll. haha... ARG's do look neeto though.
 
I had the chace to flex the ARGs and I feel that they are stiffer than most reverse camber/rockered skis like the melees, ep pros and hellbents. I'm guessing that they're much more solid for hucking, but not as versitile.
 
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