The stink of Vail

[Pyduck]

Just wish they didn’t own everything.I guess it’s better than bankrupt but still they suck

 

[aldicigg]

 

[SkiBum.]

Because posting this same thing in every Vail related thread wasn’t enough.

Buy an ikon pass. Ski non vail resorts. Problem solved.

 

[Pyduck]

That’s my plan going back country and locals that are still free from take overs.And posting they suck

 

[gengar.]

Idk what vail resorts are near you but...

id take vail over ikon any day. I’m in Utah and ikon is ruining the Utah resorts it’s included w crowds and traffic. Vail knows how to manage that aspect of things much better.

 

[SkiBum.]

Idk what vail resorts are near you but...

id take vail over ikon any day. I’m in Utah and ikon is ruining the Utah resorts it’s included w crowds and traffic. Vail knows how to manage that aspect of things much better.

Because park city is empty and ski on every day...

 

[gengar.]

Because park city is empty and ski on every day...

I’m not saying park city is a ghost town, but have you been up the cottonwoods lately? It’s a disaster.

 

[SkiBum.]

I’m not saying park city is a ghost town, but have you been up the cottonwoods lately? It’s a disaster.

Yeah. I’m a weekend skier. With Ikon pass. Skied Solitude the most. I had 1 day of traffic issues and that was moose related. I never had more then a 5-10 min lift line.

I leave my house in Park City at like 7am. Beat the rush. Grab a coffee and breakfast at the resort. Get first chair. Ski till noon. Sometimes get lunch. Leave. Did the same when i did Alta and bird.

I understand and could see more people. But there’s many ways around it. And it’s not really that bad.

 

[Knapzach]

Jail Resorts

 

[cyphers]

haha vail bad

give likes please

 

[WoFIowz]

Idk what vail resorts are near you but...

id take vail over ikon any day. I’m in Utah and ikon is ruining the Utah resorts it’s included w crowds and traffic. Vail knows how to manage that aspect of things much better.

I respectfully disagree that Vail would know how to manage it better. Have you seen Breckenridge? None of them own the highways even though they probably have political pressure power to mitigate traffic. The problem with SLC resorts are their proximity to a major airport that also tends to have decently priced flights from anywhere, especially Southwest Airlines, one of the biggest and best value. It's less than a 30min drive from a major city to multiple world class resorts. Rental cars are cheap. Advertising and reputation are off the chains. Then add in the fact that there's a billion options for low cost lodging such as through airbnb. Of course it's gonna be busy. Any multi-area season pass would do the same thing to Utah. Early bird gets the worm so wake up and be on the road first. Most tourists don't wake up early enough for first chair. Traffic is avoidable anywhere if you leave early enough. If you can't, that sucks. As for resort crowds, high speed updated lifts, riding solo, and staying away from base areas all help.

Have they ever talked about adding a train system? That could help.

I just found this (https://cwc.utah.gov/little-cottonwood-canyon-environmental-impact-statement-comment-period-extended-until-further-notice/)

so do your part and comment where it might actually have an impact. Widening the road would help a bit but you'll still get terrible drivers and crashes that block roads. Some sort of train or monorail system as goddy as that may look, would be able to effectively move folks from the outskirts of the city to the mountain.

 

[Youngm_IPCME]

I respectfully disagree that Vail would know how to manage it better. Have you seen Breckenridge? None of them own the highways even though they probably have political pressure power to mitigate traffic. The problem with SLC resorts are their proximity to a major airport that also tends to have decently priced flights from anywhere, especially Southwest Airlines, one of the biggest and best value. It's less than a 30min drive from a major city to multiple world class resorts. Rental cars are cheap. Advertising and reputation are off the chains. Then add in the fact that there's a billion options for low cost lodging such as through airbnb. Of course it's gonna be busy. Any multi-area season pass would do the same thing to Utah. Early bird gets the worm so wake up and be on the road first. Most tourists don't wake up early enough for first chair. Traffic is avoidable anywhere if you leave early enough. If you can't, that sucks. As for resort crowds, high speed updated lifts, riding solo, and staying away from base areas all help.

Have they ever talked about adding a train system? That could help.

I just found this (https://cwc.utah.gov/little-cottonwood-canyon-environmental-impact-statement-comment-period-extended-until-further-notice/)

so do your part and comment where it might actually have an impact. Widening the road would help a bit but you'll still get terrible drivers and crashes that block roads. Some sort of train or monorail system as goddy as that may look, would be able to effectively move folks from the outskirts of the city to the mountain.

Train’s pretty neat, but more buses and restrictions on driving would be significantly easier and cheaper

 

[gengar.]

I respectfully disagree that Vail would know how to manage it better. Have you seen Breckenridge? None of them own the highways even though they probably have political pressure power to mitigate traffic. The problem with SLC resorts are their proximity to a major airport that also tends to have decently priced flights from anywhere, especially Southwest Airlines, one of the biggest and best value. It's less than a 30min drive from a major city to multiple world class resorts. Rental cars are cheap. Advertising and reputation are off the chains. Then add in the fact that there's a billion options for low cost lodging such as through airbnb. Of course it's gonna be busy. Any multi-area season pass would do the same thing to Utah. Early bird gets the worm so wake up and be on the road first. Most tourists don't wake up early enough for first chair. Traffic is avoidable anywhere if you leave early enough. If you can't, that sucks. As for resort crowds, high speed updated lifts, riding solo, and staying away from base areas all help.

Have they ever talked about adding a train system? That could help.

I just found this (https://cwc.utah.gov/little-cottonwood-canyon-environmental-impact-statement-comment-period-extended-until-further-notice/)

so do your part and comment where it might actually have an impact. Widening the road would help a bit but you'll still get terrible drivers and crashes that block roads. Some sort of train or monorail system as goddy as that may look, would be able to effectively move folks from the outskirts of the city to the mountain.

That's just my .02

I think one of the bigger problems is ikon going after resorts (solitude/snowbird/brighton) that dont realistically have the space to expand. Theyre going to seem like a disaster even if they're not that crowded simply bc there's nowhere to put the influx of ikon passholders. I think that's why vail seems to be doing things better (even if they arent) because those resorts (breckenridge/park city) have the infrastructure and places expand and put people.

I ski at the cottonwoods resorts and last season there were days where i would be at the moutain by 7:30-8:00am and the lots are already full. Widening the road probably wont happen because 1. that would be a logistical nightmare and 2. even with a wider road theres still nowhere to put all thse cars at the top.

I think Ikon's biggest issue (why i have the biggest issue) is they're inviting this huge influx of passholders to resorts that were already at max capacity without offering some sort of help to alleviate traffic and crowding. They added more bus routes for the park and ride lots at the base of the canyons (needed to happen so that's great) but those lots are also tiny at full by 8am sometimes.

Sure the easy answer is to get up early and ride which all of us do when we want to get after it, but there really does need to be a solution to the problem ikon has created in utah.

 

[gengar.]

I respectfully disagree that Vail would know how to manage it better. Have you seen Breckenridge? None of them own the highways even though they probably have political pressure power to mitigate traffic. The problem with SLC resorts are their proximity to a major airport that also tends to have decently priced flights from anywhere, especially Southwest Airlines, one of the biggest and best value. It's less than a 30min drive from a major city to multiple world class resorts. Rental cars are cheap. Advertising and reputation are off the chains. Then add in the fact that there's a billion options for low cost lodging such as through airbnb. Of course it's gonna be busy. Any multi-area season pass would do the same thing to Utah. Early bird gets the worm so wake up and be on the road first. Most tourists don't wake up early enough for first chair. Traffic is avoidable anywhere if you leave early enough. If you can't, that sucks. As for resort crowds, high speed updated lifts, riding solo, and staying away from base areas all help.

Have they ever talked about adding a train system? That could help.

I just found this (https://cwc.utah.gov/little-cottonwood-canyon-environmental-impact-statement-comment-period-extended-until-further-notice/)

so do your part and comment where it might actually have an impact. Widening the road would help a bit but you'll still get terrible drivers and crashes that block roads. Some sort of train or monorail system as goddy as that may look, would be able to effectively move folks from the outskirts of the city to the mountain.

Also just clicked on that link, to build a parking structure at the base would be fantastic and i hope they do it.

 

[SkiBum.]

I respectfully disagree that Vail would know how to manage it better. Have you seen Breckenridge? None of them own the highways even though they probably have political pressure power to mitigate traffic. The problem with SLC resorts are their proximity to a major airport that also tends to have decently priced flights from anywhere, especially Southwest Airlines, one of the biggest and best value. It's less than a 30min drive from a major city to multiple world class resorts. Rental cars are cheap. Advertising and reputation are off the chains. Then add in the fact that there's a billion options for low cost lodging such as through airbnb. Of course it's gonna be busy. Any multi-area season pass would do the same thing to Utah. Early bird gets the worm so wake up and be on the road first. Most tourists don't wake up early enough for first chair. Traffic is avoidable anywhere if you leave early enough. If you can't, that sucks. As for resort crowds, high speed updated lifts, riding solo, and staying away from base areas all help.

Have they ever talked about adding a train system? That could help.

I just found this (https://cwc.utah.gov/little-cottonwood-canyon-environmental-impact-statement-comment-period-extended-until-further-notice/)

so do your part and comment where it might actually have an impact. Widening the road would help a bit but you'll still get terrible drivers and crashes that block roads. Some sort of train or monorail system as goddy as that may look, would be able to effectively move folks from the outskirts of the city to the mountain.

All of this seems to logical and makes to much sense for OP to understand. Why look at other ideas and options when you can just complain and bitch about how good it used to be.

The problem is in the mirror

 

[WoFIowz]

Train’s pretty neat, but more buses and restrictions on driving would be significantly easier and cheaper

What do you mean by driving restrictions? You mean actually enforcing chain laws or something else?

 

[Youngm_IPCME]

What do you mean by driving restrictions? You mean actually enforcing chain laws or something else?

Like only certain registration months or plate number characters can drive up on certain days of the month. There can be some randomness added when choosing the days each month for fairness. But yeah, the chain enforcement is good too.

 

[Done_and_done]

Idk what vail resorts are near you but...

id take vail over ikon any day. I’m in Utah and ikon is ruining the Utah resorts it’s included w crowds and traffic. Vail knows how to manage that aspect of things much better.

To play Devils advocate;

Abasin midweek day this season on IKON pass: >700 skiers

Abasin last year on the same day midweek with EPIC pass: 2800+ skiers

 

[gengar.]

To play Devils advocate;

Abasin midweek day this season on IKON pass: >700 skiers

Abasin last year on the same day midweek with EPIC pass: 2800+ skiers

This is a great point however i think although still small and can definitely be a shit show, abasin does have a better means of accommodation. (Better and more effective bus systems/ 2 ways in and out of the resort via going up Loveland pass or back around to I-70/ better parking lots)

this is only my opinion, i just think that for ikon to be a better, more rewarding pass for Utah locals to buy there are problems that need to get addressed. At least they’re slowly starting to realize that there’s an issue

 

[ASSholebomber22]

To play Devils advocate;

Abasin midweek day this season on IKON pass: >700 skiers

Abasin last year on the same day midweek with EPIC pass: 2800+ skiers

The basin had MUCH more coverage last year at this date. I love thinking the ikon will mean less crowds but I am still not holding my breath.

 

[WoFIowz]

Like only certain registration months or plate number characters can drive up on certain days of the month. There can be some randomness added when choosing the days each month for fairness. But yeah, the chain enforcement is good too.

As much as I applaud your enthusiasm for this, not gonna happen. You can't turn a highway into a lottery system. There's gotta be some constitutional rights violated if you say "only residents with these plates can drive on these roads during these months". Not to mention resorts would never allow it because it would lose them a fuck ton of money.

Chain laws/ 4wd/awd snow tire laws are your best bet for preventing jams due to accidents. They're loosely regulated nearly everywhere I go.

 

[PeppermillReno]

Anyone who works for Vail ever pick up an employee pass at a different mountain than your gonna be working at?

Im doing the Crested Butte boot pack thing. I wanna pick up my pass at Stowe opening day after tDB Burlington.

 

[DominatorJacques]

Vail Corp. is worse than Backcountry.com!

 

[DominatorJacques]

As much as I applaud your enthusiasm for this, not gonna happen. You can't turn a highway into a lottery system. There's gotta be some constitutional rights violated if you say "only residents with these plates can drive on these roads during these months". Not to mention resorts would never allow it because it would lose them a fuck ton of money.

Chain laws/ 4wd/awd snow tire laws are your best bet for preventing jams due to accidents. They're loosely regulated nearly everywhere I go.

Plus I have an ass wipe more of these.

[video]https://youtu.be/1RcvWb-w4bU[/video]

 

[Done_and_done]

Anyone who works for Vail ever pick up an employee pass at a different mountain than your gonna be working at?

Im doing the Crested Butte boot pack thing. I wanna pick up my pass at Stowe opening day after tDB Burlington.

Have the same question I'm doing the bootpack program as well.

 

[Youngm_IPCME]

As much as I applaud your enthusiasm for this, not gonna happen. You can't turn a highway into a lottery system. There's gotta be some constitutional rights violated if you say "only residents with these plates can drive on these roads during these months". Not to mention resorts would never allow it because it would lose them a fuck ton of money.

Chain laws/ 4wd/awd snow tire laws are your best bet for preventing jams due to accidents. They're loosely regulated nearly everywhere I go.

It’d be certain rotating days of the month. The Utah driver’s handbook explicitly says that driving is a privilege, not a right.

I get that this is super unpopular, but there’s too many cars, even ones with 4wd and snow tires. And nobody is going to take public transit or carpool unless they’re forced to or have to pay exorbitant amounts to park. Btw parking on the street is free in certain areas up there currently. So the two options are that you can basically say, “only rich people can park in LCC” or you can increase the volume of buses used to get up there and still allow some people to drive up at any time, residents included

 

[SkiBum.]

It’d be certain rotating days of the month. The Utah driver’s handbook explicitly says that driving is a privilege, not a right.

I get that this is super unpopular, but there’s too many cars, even ones with 4wd and snow tires. And nobody is going to take public transit or carpool unless they’re forced to or have to pay exorbitant amounts to park. Btw parking on the street is free in certain areas up there currently. So the two options are that you can basically say, “only rich people can park in LCC” or you can increase the volume of buses used to get up there and still allow some people to drive up at any time, residents included

Well its $20 at solitude now.

I’m gonna assume they restrict on road parking this year.

 

[losh]

It’d be certain rotating days of the month. The Utah driver’s handbook explicitly says that driving is a privilege, not a right.

I get that this is super unpopular, but there’s too many cars, even ones with 4wd and snow tires. And nobody is going to take public transit or carpool unless they’re forced to or have to pay exorbitant amounts to park. Btw parking on the street is free in certain areas up there currently. So the two options are that you can basically say, “only rich people can park in LCC” or you can increase the volume of buses used to get up there and still allow some people to drive up at any time, residents included

Dude, you're overlooking the fact that this is America. You can't tell people they're not allowed to get into their cars and drive to a specific public destination for so many reasons.

 

[Youngm_IPCME]

Dude, you're overlooking the fact that this is America. You can't tell people they're not allowed to get into their cars and drive to a specific public destination for so many reasons.

Which are?

 

[WoFIowz]

Which are?

You can't selectively restrict road access to public roads. Only thing you could do is add tolls to deter people towards cheaper public transportation.

 

[Youngm_IPCME]

You can't selectively restrict road access to public roads. Only thing you could do is add tolls to deter people towards cheaper public transportation.

Denali has a road lottery. If you don’t win, must take the bus or walk. Yes, LCC is not inside a park, but Denali isn’t backed up to hell and works decently.

 

[ASSholebomber22]

Denali has a road lottery. If you don’t win, must take the bus or walk. Yes, LCC is not inside a park, but Denali isn’t backed up to hell and works decently.

I'm not sure if this is an apples-apples comparison, as traffic seems less a concern than preservation of the park.

What is much more likely I feel is resorts running privatized transport that would be cheaper than exorbitant parking costs. I don't know much about what goes on on the utah side of the rockies as far as traffic and parking is concerned, but this is the direction that epic and a few other resorts seem to be going. Leave the gov out of it and let the resorts handle the situation.

 

[Youngm_IPCME]

I'm not sure if this is an apples-apples comparison, as traffic seems less a concern than preservation of the park.

What is much more likely I feel is resorts running privatized transport that would be cheaper than exorbitant parking costs. I don't know much about what goes on on the utah side of the rockies as far as traffic and parking is concerned, but this is the direction that epic and a few other resorts seem to be going. Leave the gov out of it and let the resorts handle the situation.

No, they’re not directly comparable, but removing 50-67% of the cars instead of all but a handful per day (like Denali) would be a huge benefit. It’s not only because of the preservation though, because it’s a one-lane dirt road.

I’m all in favor of the resorts running shuttles- in Park City they worked with the existing free bus system, you can park and ride at a number of places and it’s a similar amount of time as driving, 10 minutes longer if you miss it.

 

[Pyduck]

All I know is when it came to trying to work out something with Vail I quickly learned what they were about.Make the sale ! Customer service is a joke they hide behind the one phone number.With what they have for cash behind them they could wake up and go in another direction and improve their image and service.So for now they suck ,and I am sorry if Mr SKI BUM doesn’t want to hear it.

 

[SkiBum.]

All I know is when it came to trying to work out something with Vail I quickly learned what they were about.Make the sale ! Customer service is a joke they hide behind the one phone number.With what they have for cash behind them they could wake up and go in another direction and improve their image and service.So for now they suck ,and I am sorry if Mr SKI BUM doesn’t want to hear it.

Well lucky for you there are many other ski areas and companies out there for you to ski at.

 

[Pyduck]

Yes there are lets hope Vail doesn’t get their hands on to many more.FREEDOM. And don’t forget Vail Sucks